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2013/02/09 10:15:29 (permalink)

LOL Andrew dumped....

I'm not surprised.
 
He said he was "cleaning up".
 
I read somebody suggesting the forum should have a log-in for registered users.
It was a way to filter out those that may be just inquiring about the software and trolls.
 
I liked it. I also thought segregation would be good for the registered users too.
A forum for "engineers" and one for those that post results from using the software.
 
I was enjoying my morning coffee and reading upstairs and not unlike so many posts the OP
was telling all about how and what it takes to make X2 run.
He was followed by more that had/has all the answers. The problem I have with them is they are
all talk.
No links to anything they have recorded or links to others music that they had recorded.
 
I sure don't mind shooting the bull with those that are here to enjoy conversation but when it
comes time to talk about recording and issues about it...just words from people I don't know that
have nothing but words....well it's just not the type I put much value in. Sorry if you are one and
that offends you.
If it helps I'm like that with many things in life. I know people that just talk a good game and have
fun with them but things change when it's gets down to being serious.
 
Well if Cakewalk and Andrew are serious....nows a good time to get that way. Clean it up right if you're going to clean it up.
IMO opinion there have been a lot of things for a very long time done half-assed. Of course that's
a problem I see here that really has little effect in or on my life. I can say X2 has been the biggest
problem I've personally had and I believe that will be resolved in time- by them or me.
 
Well one more cup and start the day. Hope it's a great one for us all.
 
 
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 10:30:37 (permalink)
    It's funny isn't it? Those that give good advice and obviously 'walk the walk' are generally the most polite and matter-of-fact. It's invariably those with the invisible track record (pun intended) that shout the loudest and most often.

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 10:31:50 (permalink)
    If this were a "Tea Room" these kins of things woud not happen.
     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 10:57:41 (permalink)
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    It's funny isn't it? Those that give good advice and obviously 'walk the walk' are generally the most polite and matter-of-fact. It's invariably those with the invisible track record (pun intended) that shout the loudest and most often.

    So true...then you got guys like pistolpete bothering guys like me. The dude can't carry anyone's jock as a musician, an engineer or a man. He's all talk and needs to drink an ocean of stfu. 
     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 11:00:10 (permalink)
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    It's funny isn't it? Those that give good advice and obviously 'walk the walk' are generally the most polite and matter-of-fact. It's invariably those with the invisible track record (pun intended) that shout the loudest and most often.

    So true...then you got guys like pistolpete bothering guys like me. The dude can't carry anyone's jock as a musician, an engineer or a man. He's all talk and needs to drink an ocean of stfu. I'd force feed it to him and even pay for his dental work if I had the opportunity.
     
    -Danny

    He's been buzzing around this place like a housefly for 6 years Danny. Best bet is to not even respond. 

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 11:05:28 (permalink)
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    It's funny isn't it? Those that give good advice and obviously 'walk the walk' are generally the most polite and matter-of-fact. It's invariably those with the invisible track record (pun intended) that shout the loudest and most often.

    So true...then you got guys like pistolpete bothering guys like me. The dude can't carry anyone's jock as a musician, an engineer or a man. He's all talk and needs to drink an ocean of stfu. I'd force feed it to him and even pay for his dental work if I had the opportunity.

    -Danny

    He's been buzzing around this place like a housefly for 6 years Danny. Best bet is to not even respond. 

    I know, you're so right....you always are. I really have been trying. It's just so hard for me not to challenge the dude or at least offer him something that may shut him up. It just gets old bro. Unlike some of the people here, what can I say...I really take the place serious and try to make a difference for the better. When you get a guy like that who just feels the need to push buttons...one day he gets me on a bad day, and well, you know what happens. It really can easily turn a person away from here. And what really sucks is...you can get 50 people backing you telling you how cool you are, yet the 2-3 people that just have to try and ruffle your feathers make you forget about the 50 cool ones. I just think the mods should step in for stuff like that so we that do take this place a little more serious don't have to see that crap.
     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 11:21:02 (permalink)
    The sad fact is that forums always attract a handful of people who obviously have 'issues' for want of a better word, and the way they choose to exorcise their demons is to project their own misery onto others.

    I walked away from this place for almost a year due to a weird incident with a forum member who was sending me really bizarre and unsettling PM's and emails. He doesn't post here now, in case anyone was wondering.

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 11:44:16 (permalink)
    Man I couldnt agree with ya more Spacey!!!

    Ive not been much of a Forum goer but since joining the Cake Forums and getting back into the music world, it would be nice to see some sort of REAL Identification as to whos who.  Not to the point of it being advertised for the sake of protecting the company one might actually have or work for at a Professional Level but Cake could do it privately and indicate What level we all are as a "Registered User". 
    For me it helps when Im trying to fix something of mine or even if Im going to try and help someone out,  Most of the time, you dont know what level of equipment your trying to help with and I couldnt imagine trying to give advise on a professional level system/setup, but Im sure knowing Im getting advise from someone at that level would really make me listen more, not that I dont listen to everything that Ive received as far as help goes-cause I do.  To me experience is priceless when getting advice from someone.

    Regardless of that, I respect all equally and am learning the ART of avoiding and or ignoring the TROLLS   

    Just my 2 cents 

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 11:51:15 (permalink)
    very nice post spacey.well thought out yet plain honest and shot from the hip.
    i like your style man.

    agree 100%

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 11:54:17 (permalink)
    ...nothing but words

    Hold on there. I like words. I've been known to use dozens of them, sometimes hundreds throughout the course of a day. 

    "Pernicious" is a current favorite.


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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 12:10:26 (permalink)
    They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

    Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

    There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 12:41:26 (permalink)
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    ...nothing but words

    Hold on there. I like words. I've been known to use dozens of them, sometimes hundreds throughout the course of a day. 

    "PerniciousPete" is a current favorite.

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 12:43:13 (permalink)
    Mike I think the "registered user' was in the sense that the forum would have a place for those that had purchased the software to log-in. That would give them a place with sub-forums without interference from trolls.
    It would still have the forum for trolls and those that may just need a little help or inquire about the software they're thinking of purchasing.  I really like that.

    Think you Charlie Roy. I really like to try and have some ideas to correct a problem(s) if I'm going to mention them. Don't mean it has to be the right one but at least I'm trying. In this case I'm just elaborating on one that I read.

    You, Steve and Jon....man you guys can write and one can put on their thinking cap or move along LOL.  (just first to come to mind...there's more of you word wizards out there....James)

    Sharke...it seems that many here would like to see something done. I hope the ones that can help are listening to us. We're trying to improve life as we know it. Nothing wrong with that.



    post edited by spacey - 2013/02/09 12:44:29
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 12:46:36 (permalink)
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    They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

    Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

    There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 
    First off I have to confess that I don't know what this thread is about really, or more accurately what led to it being posted, but please don't even go there with the link to FB idea. Terrible call that.  There is something very bad about FB imho and I find it increasingly disturbing to see the number of things that you can't do these days without going to FB and logging on first.
     
    Also, here in the UK I saw a TV ad the other night for Andrex (toilet paper for those who don't know) asking for people to go on FB and tell them how you wipe your arse !! WTF ???
     
    Absolutely beyond belief, really.
     
    Personal opinions about the FB disease aside, the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. This is the only forum that I participate in, but if I had to give out personal info in order to do so, then I would just not do it. Not because I am hiding beyond a false persona, but because of my concerns about what happens to all that information.
     
    It's particularly sad that given that the internet gives us all the opportunity to present ourselves as any personality we may choose, that so many choose obnoxious arsehole, but there ya go, that's people for ya. If you can't ignore them, just laugh at them. It's just the internet and none of it really matters.
     
    Making those that do participate in the intended manner jump through hoops in order to be able to do so is just giving the idiots the pleasure of knowing that they got under your skin. I couldn't really care how many kitchen sales threads or whatever get put up, cos I just don't look at them.
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 12:52:54 (permalink)
    Good post Paulo, and I agree completely.

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 12:57:19 (permalink)

    I read somebody suggesting the forum should have a log-in for registered users. It was a way to filter out those that may be just inquiring about the software and trolls.



    I've always said this.
    The argument I got was what if someone is actually interested in purchasing a Cake product and has a few questions?

    It's not that people not registered couldn't read the forums, they just cant post.
     
    Yet another good reason for Cakewalk to have a toll-free number for consumer inquires AND tech support.


    I find it hard to believe that it's 2013 and there are still big corporations like Cakewalk/Roland that don't have toll-free numbers for their product.


    Just my 2 pence.


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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 13:04:58 (permalink)
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     the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. .
    That has been said here, on this form of Cakes for over 15 years that I'm aware of.
     
    The problem is that it isn't a within reason statement for the current forum parameters- the problem is that it will never happen.
     
    The only solution is for the "house" to be locked and one has to have a "key" (software purchase proof) to get in.
    Then the troublemakers will be confined,  branded and well known by all and probably then ignored.
     
    Until then...I look for this place to continue just as it's track record indicates.
    Wordy know it alls that offer nothing to support their claims, trolls, troublemakers and  police....the ones that try to control and explain control.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 13:27:34 (permalink)
    I think all we really need is a little more moderation. Or probably more accurately, what we need is swifter moderation - getting junk removed and wrists slapped before threads descend into open warfare.

    I know they've said before that they don't have the manpower to maintain a permanent presence on the forums, but how about appointing a couple of volunteer co-opted users to help out with the load. That wouldn't be to give such volunteers the same power as a Cakewalk employee, but as an example, what if all the 'Spam' reports were sent to them? There's really no judgement required there, so a user could easily sweep through the forums and delete all that crap as required.

    Anything more serious or contentious would still be dealt with by Cake Admins and Mods. Or maybe you could have the user mods receiving all reported posts, and then those could be triaged into those that urgently needed Cakewalk attention.

    Daveny5 would get my vote.

    Seriously.

    Oh boy, would I keep him busy
     
    New kitchen anyone
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
      
     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 13:39:31 (permalink)
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    sharke


    They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

    Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

    There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 
    First off I have to confess that I don't know what this thread is about really, or more accurately what led to it being posted, but please don't even go there with the link to FB idea. Terrible call that.  There is something very bad about FB imho and I find it increasingly disturbing to see the number of things that you can't do these days without going to FB and logging on first.
     
    Also, here in the UK I saw a TV ad the other night for Andrex (toilet paper for those who don't know) asking for people to go on FB and tell them how you wipe your arse !! WTF ???
     
    Absolutely beyond belief, really.
     
    Personal opinions about the FB disease aside, the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. This is the only forum that I participate in, but if I had to give out personal info in order to do so, then I would just not do it. Not because I am hiding beyond a false persona, but because of my concerns about what happens to all that information.
     
    It's particularly sad that given that the internet gives us all the opportunity to present ourselves as any personality we may choose, that so many choose obnoxious arsehole, but there ya go, that's people for ya. If you can't ignore them, just laugh at them. It's just the internet and none of it really matters.
     
    Making those that do participate in the intended manner jump through hoops in order to be able to do so is just giving the idiots the pleasure of knowing that they got under your skin. I couldn't really care how many kitchen sales threads or whatever get put up, cos I just don't look at them.

    Facebook isn't the evil some people say it is. It's only as intrusive to the extent that you ask it to be. You don't have to give it your telephone number, your address or even your real date of birth. And if you do choose to give it that, you can make it private. If you're not an everyday Facebook user and you don't have an account yet, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opening a Facebook account for the sole purpose of using it for logins and commenting on blogs etc. You don't even have to upload an avatar. The only thing you're obliged to give Facebook is your email address, and let's face it most people have a separate non-personal email address that they use for forum logins and other assorted online BS. The advantage with using Facebook logins is, like I said, that Facebook goes to great lengths to make sure that individuals don't have multiple accounts. So in using Facebook logins on your site, you're essentially taking advantage of the work that Facebook does in that respect. 


    It's become trendy to bash Facebook for privacy issues, but let's face it, the only people who have privacy issues are those who don't take the responsibility to set the appropriate privacy levels on their accounts, and those who put all of their personal info in their profiles. You don't have to put any of that info in your profile. I can't believe how many people put their telephone number in their Facebook profile. Are they looking for strangers to call them? Crazy. 

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 13:41:40 (permalink)
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    I think all we really need is a little more moderation. Or probably more accurately, what we need is swifter moderation - getting junk removed and wrists slapped before threads descend into open warfare.

    I know they've said before that they don't have the manpower to maintain a permanent presence on the forums, but how about appointing a couple of volunteer co-opted users to help out with the load. That wouldn't be to give such volunteers the same power as a Cakewalk employee, but as an example, what if all the 'Spam' reports were sent to them? There's really no judgement required there, so a user could easily sweep through the forums and delete all that crap as required.

    Anything more serious or contentious would still be dealt with by Cake Admins and Mods. Or maybe you could have the user mods receiving all reported posts, and then those could be triaged into those that urgently needed Cakewalk attention.

    Daveny5 would get my vote.

    Seriously.

    Oh boy, would I keep him busy
     
    New kitchen anyone
     
     
     
    Having volunteer admins is an excellent idea, there are many forums which do this. They could base admin qualification on post count....


    ....

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 13:47:33 (permalink)
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    I think all we really need is a little more moderation. Or probably more accurately, what we need is swifter moderation - getting junk removed and wrists slapped before threads descend into open warfare.

    I know they've said before that they don't have the manpower to maintain a permanent presence on the forums, but how about appointing a couple of volunteer co-opted users to help out with the load. That wouldn't be to give such volunteers the same power as a Cakewalk employee, but as an example, what if all the 'Spam' reports were sent to them? There's really no judgement required there, so a user could easily sweep through the forums and delete all that crap as required.

    Anything more serious or contentious would still be dealt with by Cake Admins and Mods. Or maybe you could have the user mods receiving all reported posts, and then those could be triaged into those that urgently needed Cakewalk attention.

    Daveny5 would get my vote.

    Seriously.

    Oh boy, would I keep him busy

    New kitchen anyone



    Having volunteer admins is an excellent idea, there are many forums which do this. They could base admin qualification on post count....


    ....


     
    Maybe a secret ballot among the user base to choose a couple of people who would be happy to take on the task. The trouble with these kind of situations is that you often get volunteers putting themselves forward for all the wrong reasons. I think a ballot of some kind would see the power-hungry wannabees filtered out of the process though.

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 14:06:55 (permalink)
    I don't EVER want to have to use any of the social disease sites - especially Feck Book.

    I'm happy being an amateur SONAR user for life regardless of how well I get to use it.  I have no problems if the upstairs rooms are locked down a bit tighter, as long as the Coffee House remains a bastion of escape.  Right now I'm working an average of 15 hours every day to get that website store up and running so that it will eventually make me a nice living working 4 hours per day.  Until then I need the break.

    What needs to stop (everywhere not just here) are people that go into a forum thinking their opinion is the only one that's correct and others that can't just ignore them but feel the need to respond. 

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 14:20:35 (permalink)

    You, Steve and Jon....man you guys can write and one can put on their thinking cap or move along LOL.
     

     
    Ahh, you don't do so bad yourself fella, your comment to Popdust yesterday literally had me rolling on the floor for a good while...
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2775283
    post edited by Jonbouy - 2013/02/09 14:23:26

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 15:16:00 (permalink)
    It's a good thing for Bapu that Andrew didn't "accidentally" delete the FSF, ya?  He'd be back to something like 30,000 points and behind the pooch again.  LOL!

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 15:33:38 (permalink)
    craigb

    ... and behind the pooch again.  LOL!
    Must *pause* resist *pause* urge *pause*

    Must *pause* not *pause* sayit *pause*




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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 15:41:33 (permalink)
    I don't know why they don't just dump this stuff in the Developer/General forum.

    Nobody goes there.

    Man, could you imagine if they did?

    LOL!

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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 18:00:53 (permalink)
    Now how would you know unless you went there?

    ...and what about all those kitchen ads? The place is full of 'em.

    See, somebody goes there.


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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 20:13:11 (permalink)
    I'm happy being an amateur SONAR user for life regardless of how well I get to use it. I have no problems if the upstairs rooms are locked down a bit tighter, as long as the Coffee House remains a bastion of escape.

     
    +1 Craig. I am busy trying to continue to run a business I am too old to keep up with but times are so shaky I am afraid to sell it. I'm glad I have help running it (and a wife that makes more than I do).
    I like the Coffee House and the people here, it is a fun place. I try to not give advice because I am probably the least qualified one here to give it. Honestly, I feel grateful to be accepted here.
     
    I've never understood trolls. The original Harmony Central Guitar Forum back in the late 90s got really out of hand with people having multiple logins and user names. People would start an argument with themself, draw someone like me in then have a good laugh about it. I'd still rather be me than them.
     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/09 20:28:00 (permalink)
    They're just pathetic, insecure people who don't have a life.  Useful only as an example of what not to be and worthy only of pity.

    But, other than that, they're pretty ignorable.

     
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    Re:LOL Andrew dumped.... 2013/02/10 09:36:06 (permalink)
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    They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

    Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

    There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 
    First off I have to confess that I don't know what this thread is about really, or more accurately what led to it being posted, but please don't even go there with the link to FB idea. Terrible call that.  There is something very bad about FB imho and I find it increasingly disturbing to see the number of things that you can't do these days without going to FB and logging on first.

    Also, here in the UK I saw a TV ad the other night for Andrex (toilet paper for those who don't know) asking for people to go on FB and tell them how you wipe your arse !! WTF ???

    Absolutely beyond belief, really.

    Personal opinions about the FB disease aside, the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. This is the only forum that I participate in, but if I had to give out personal info in order to do so, then I would just not do it. Not because I am hiding beyond a false persona, but because of my concerns about what happens to all that information.

    It's particularly sad that given that the internet gives us all the opportunity to present ourselves as any personality we may choose, that so many choose obnoxious arsehole, but there ya go, that's people for ya. If you can't ignore them, just laugh at them. It's just the internet and none of it really matters.

    Making those that do participate in the intended manner jump through hoops in order to be able to do so is just giving the idiots the pleasure of knowing that they got under your skin. I couldn't really care how many kitchen sales threads or whatever get put up, cos I just don't look at them.

    Facebook isn't the evil some people say it is. It's only as intrusive to the extent that you ask it to be. You don't have to give it your telephone number, your address or even your real date of birth. And if you do choose to give it that, you can make it private. If you're not an everyday Facebook user and you don't have an account yet, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opening a Facebook account for the sole purpose of using it for logins and commenting on blogs etc. You don't even have to upload an avatar. The only thing you're obliged to give Facebook is your email address, and let's face it most people have a separate non-personal email address that they use for forum logins and other assorted online BS. The advantage with using Facebook logins is, like I said, that Facebook goes to great lengths to make sure that individuals don't have multiple accounts. So in using Facebook logins on your site, you're essentially taking advantage of the work that Facebook does in that respect. 


    It's become trendy to bash Facebook for privacy issues, but let's face it, the only people who have privacy issues are those who don't take the responsibility to set the appropriate privacy levels on their accounts, and those who put all of their personal info in their profiles. You don't have to put any of that info in your profile. I can't believe how many people put their telephone number in their Facebook profile. Are they looking for strangers to call them? Crazy. 
    We'll obviously never agree on FB so no point in going there, you seem like a nice guy and all, but you seem to be arguing against yourself a little there. You start off by saying FB is a good method of id because of the work that they do to ensure that accounts are legit and proper and then go on to say how easy it is to set up an account with zero personal info just so that you could gain access to places that require FB login.  Ermm..... am I missing something ?
     
     
    As for those who think that volunteer admins would help, I can sort see your point as far as the simple deletion of spam goes, but imagine a world where some of the big egos around here suddenly had the power to intervene in and delete threads. I think I'd rather have the spam and verbal handbags any day.
    It's a bit like what someone very wise once said........." wanting to be a politican should automatically eliminate you from actually being allowed to be one! "
     
     
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