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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 13:32:06 (permalink)


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 13:59:17 (permalink)
And that link is supposed to do what???

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 14:04:34 (permalink)


It's like a doorway.

It doesn't do anything.

You can walk by or go in and explore.


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 14:14:05 (permalink)
I asked for YOUR thoughts:-)

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 14:39:55 (permalink)
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 14:42:14 (permalink)
My thoughts are that I really like the message that Livestrong promotes. It is a message I have been promoting since before Lance Armstrong won his very first work night time trial.

A few years ago when I heard that the American Cancer Society was issuing press about their feelings that they could make good use of the budget Livestrong operates on, the idea made me curious and I went off to read the details.

Personally, I'm glad that after it's all said and done that ACS donates $130 million annually on actual research... and then promotes education and awareness above and beyond that.

Livestrong's non profit budget is something like $36 million and almost none of that ends up as research money for finding a cure.

I think that perhaps... they could donate some money to finding a cure...  their official policy is that they feel they are better uses of their time and money.

It's also useful to understand that half of Livestrong is a for profit operation that sells info and stuff... a lot of the advertising and promotion that LIvestrong shares adds cross value for both Livestrongs... so yes, they have a powerful media presence that does a great job of promoting health and wellness.

Good for them.

The fact that they have based their fund raising on the charisma of a criminal and perjurer isn't the fault of any critic of Lance Armstrong. 


The guy, his coaches, and his training doctors pissed all over a wonderful, healthy outdoor atheletics lifestyle and spear headed the ruination of a world wide sport from the pro ranks to the very bottom of the local amateur weekend races. The sport has been invaded by dope heads just like Lance all to the pleasure and profit of sports marketers, sporting product manufacturers, and the odd corporate sponsor.




I have come to the personal opinion that the American Cancer Society was, is and will be doing a pretty good job in the fight against cancer.


I'm glad someone is.


all the best,
mike


  
post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/01/16 14:43:23


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 14:44:41 (permalink)
...oh and every time the gentle folks at RadioShack ask me if I want to donate a dollar to Livestrong to fund a cure for Cancer I just shake my head.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/01/16 14:45:49


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 15:06:38 (permalink)
If he is finally coming clean here it's very brave. I hope he doesn't get dumped on to bad by the media and the general public- it might end up like that nurse in the recent Kate Middleton case.

Drugs and cycling are not a new thing- there are soprts of crazy quotes from the early 20th century and many many deaths- guys who didn't have good doctors died in their sleeps because their hearts slowed down too much. So they  hooked themselves up to machines that woke them up when their rate slowed too much so they could jump out of bed and do some exercise before the blood got too thick.

Was there a modern cyclist who was 100 per cent clean? Yes, Christophe Bassoons- his nickname was Mr Clean and he did damage to his body trying to keep up with the druggies. 

If you want a cautionary tale and video of cycling and drugs there is video footage of Tom Simpson dying on his bike thru exhaustion on the tdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4viqf-qL9I

I read a few articles about LA yesterday and one guy had a good point- all the cyclists who doped should come out- don't leave one guy to hang out and dry.

 


 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 15:27:01 (permalink)
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So...  If everyone in the Tour De France really was doping, then wasn't it still a level playing field and Lance was the best?

One obvious concern is that the people who do not have the budget to hire Dr. Ferrari or his proteges don't have access to the proper medical information or expertise.


Over a dozen professional riders have died trying to stay level by using the same drugs without adequate supervision.


Countless amateurs have made the same mistakes and ruined their bodies potential to ever be competitive.


Many amateurs were used as guinea pigs when these drugs were tested and left with lifelong health issues. 


Many low level riders who tested hot were simply thrown out of the system. They were used by doctors to experiment with ways to administer dosages and techniques in an effort to learn how to beat the screening tests. Many of these riders didn't even know they were taking drugs. The most expensive doctors will help you beat the tests. They have great experience and have they left a lot of people on the side of the road while developing their expertise.


There is a legacy of carnage left behind by the industry that promoted drugs in competitive cycling. It's a big long scar.


The guys with the good money are the ones who take the drugs and rarely get sick or caught.










The drugs have not leveled the playing field... they have created a disparity that is wider than at any time in the history of sport.








The worst part was having witnessed it enter the amateur ranks and ruin our sport. The true gentleman and women simply drifted away and left the sport to the ruination brought on by a culture of shallowness and winning at any cost. In the 70's and 80's it was self correcting... the drugs ruined the athletes and they disappeared from the scene after a brief moment of glory. By the nineties the drugs and dosages were working real real good... and that ruined the entire sport to the profit of sports marketing empires.






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Sorry to waste your time there Mike.  I forgot to enclose my statement in the correct [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags.

 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 15:36:35 (permalink)
 
Not a good time for the Armstrongs of late...
 
Of course there's Lance, and the ongoing business over his performance enhancing drug taking.
 
And dear old Neil, the first man to walk on the surface of another world, has recently shuffled off this mortal coil.
 
Let's just hope that their brother 'Stretch' is alright.
 
 
 
 

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 15:49:11 (permalink)
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I read a few articles about LA yesterday and one guy had a good point- all the cyclists who doped should come out- don't leave one guy to hang out and dry.




That's kinda what has already happened... most of the guys that took 2nd place against LA have already stated they were on the juice trying to do it.


Stuff like that.






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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 18:06:01 (permalink)
No matter what he did his charity still has helped more people than his doping has hurt.

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/16 22:44:40 (permalink)
I don't know....

I just find the whole Livestrong scenario a bit odd. If we were to penalize an entire charity over his existence as founder then why not carry it further?

Take his role in enticing many youth into the sport..throw that out?
All the products he used? Never mind endorsed? Don't use them?
I've even heard some 'nice' people suggest that his drug habit started when he was taking chemo for his cancer..he should have died in other words.

There is also the whole 'did he? Or did he not come clean' thing going on...when will it end? When he admits that he also got everyone into the drug thing? From the beginning?


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 02:07:33 (permalink)
He's a cheat like most American athlets. USA is todays East Germany when it comes to doping.
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 04:56:01 (permalink)
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What does Live Strong do?
 
More than any of us combined will do in our life time........
 
The web site and its info alone is more than "Doing" something.
 
Who cares if they make money..............are we f****ing socialist.......
 
I don't care................make money, mismanage money..........whatever.
 
Lets just all run around "Fat" and "Out of Shape ".................who cares about health knowledge and disease.........
 
Better yet........lets spend more $$$ at McDonalds.......they manage their $$$ better and they don't pretend to be healthy or even care.
 
 
 
 
 

I am sorry Zungle, but I cannot disagree with you more. He is a cheat and a lier. Giving stolen money (and that is what he did by misrepresenting himself) to throw parties and feel good seminars is hardly a mitigating factor.
 
I do follow cycling (and cycle myself), and there are a lot of honest cylists who want to compete fairly. If Armstrong is in any way rewarded for cheating and lying then it completely devalues the inegrity of all honest people. The foundation should hang its head in shame, and its sponsors should take their money elsewhere... to organizations that genuinely help people.

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 08:11:14 (permalink)
removed....just to crazy...decided I didn't want shake the tree...enough nuts already.
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 11:45:09 (permalink)
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removed....just to crazy...decided I didn't want shake the tree...enough nuts already.


Lance probably doesn't think so anymore...

 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 11:52:57 (permalink)
I am sorry Zungle, but I cannot disagree with you more.

 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 12:36:17 (permalink)
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No matter what he did his charity still has helped more people than his doping has hurt.

That about sums it up....................


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 14:23:03 (permalink)
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batsbrew


No matter what he did his charity still has helped more people than his doping has hurt.

That about sums it up....................

I'm trying to understand ...
 
So...a thief breaks in my house and steals everything from a small family and helps out
numerous families with all my goods....I guess it's alright because the thief helped more
people than he hurt.......is that like Robin Hood logic? ...WTF?
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 15:28:04 (permalink)

 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 16:04:17 (permalink)
I making mine at 20:53 2night


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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 17:14:19 (permalink)
Would it be better if he is thrown behind bars to do hard time?

Maybe  the organization he founded should be disbanded.

Remember his face well...for he does not have a scarlet letter on his head...yet.

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 17:23:15 (permalink)
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He's a cheat like most American athlets. USA is todays East Germany when it comes to doping.



B*ll*hit. That's just you opinion.

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 17:55:13 (permalink)
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Would it be better if he is thrown behind bars to do hard time?

Maybe  the organization he founded should be disbanded.

Remember his face well...for he does not have a scarlet letter on his head...yet.






I think what most people in cycle sport and the olympics want is some basic honesty about what is going on and they want that more than any particular punitive action. Cycling needs to be able to move beyond Lance and address issues involving the framework and support system that allowed a Lance to happen.

It seems as if it is the people who really, really like Lance that seem to turn the discussion into a witch hunt.


It's been somewhat annoying up to this point. It will be interesting to see how forth right he is on tonight's show.


It will be interesting to see IF he admits something and if so IF he qualifies his admission with personal opinions or if he simply tells it straight.






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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 19:04:18 (permalink)
To stay afloat, Johnson advises that Armstrong learn what it took him too long to realize: “There is no redemption for athletes in these cases.”


http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/ben-johnson-jose-canseco-share-advice-lance-armstrong-155206683.html

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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 21:45:44 (permalink)

post edited by zungle - 2013/02/25 23:28:41
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 21:47:14 (permalink)
Gee, Oprah was right- LA came ready!

 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 22:33:51 (permalink)
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Gee, Oprah was right- LA came ready!


Did they test him for talk-show enhancing substances?

 
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Re:Lance finally fesses up, apparently... 2013/01/17 23:19:47 (permalink)
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To stay afloat, Johnson advises that Armstrong learn what it took him too long to realize: “There is no redemption for athletes in these cases.”


http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/ben-johnson-jose-canseco-share-advice-lance-armstrong-155206683.html


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