nullobject
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Let my drivers GO!
I posted this issue in an earlier thread, but alas, I'm still having the same issue at times. Sometimes, when I'm trying to close a complex project, Sonar X2 hangs and won't close. I have to go to task manager and try to kill it there, and sometimes that doesn't work either, requiring a reboot. The reason it won't close is that Sonar won't let go of the drivers. If I try to start another audio program, Windows tells me " the device is in use elsewhere and unavailable." Some suggestions I've gotten include: Stopping the audio engine before closing. Removing any unused drivers from system. Killing anti-virus. All to no avail..sometimes. Now, granted, some of my projects are quite system taxing, including, several soft synths and guitar amp sims. And I'm not at all sure that they aren't the source of the problem. But after a long complicated session, I cringe when I have to exit the program because I know there's a 50/50 chance that I'll be spending 3 to 5 minutes finally getting Sonar to release the drivers. Is there some rock solid, no doubt about it way to kill any driver use, so I can close the program without issues and be on my merry way? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 09:40:11
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+1 million.
This drives me ****ing crazy and I keep barking on about it.
Whats your card? M-Audio?
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 10:01:49
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I HAD m-audio and ditched it for a Roland Quad-Capture, hoping that would do the trick. No such luck.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 10:03:04
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I know this shouldn't be a required thing - bear with me.
Have you tried checking the box to tell Sonar to Share Drivers With Other Programs?
It is in Edit>Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording.
Just a thought, maybe it wouldn't hang. I had not had it checked, and also would have to kill SOnar through reboot or through Task Manager, but there was one tune I was working on, where I was using another program to play back a track at a slowed speed, and I went in and checked that box so that I could run both audio programs at the same time, and ever since then, I have not had Sonar hang like it used to.
Just give it a shot and let me know if that had a positive effect on things or not,
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 12:29:43
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robert_e_bone
Have you tried checking the box to tell Sonar to Share Drivers With Other Programs?
This is worth a try. So I set it. We'll see if it makes a difference. There is a new Windows shared API in audio, but I'm not sure that works in ASIO? It could be just in WDM, does ASIO fall into that bag? I don't know. EDIT: I should add that I had a few crashes like this in the 306 build, but so far no crashes in the 308 Quickfix.
post edited by arachnaut - 2012/10/07 12:46:06
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 12:52:30
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I do not have the quick fix installed - it didn't look like it applied to me, and it said not to install it if you were having those specific problems.
So, with that box checked on my system, I have had no further hangs like I had before - hope this will fix it for you,
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 18:57:18
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I've had many hangs, so I'll try that trick tomoro... my prob is I'm getting these prog freezes in various operations. Update: I had already enabled that option, so that doesn't help me.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 19:31:09
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Thanks Bob, I'll give it a shot. Don't know how effective it will be however, because usually when I get those bad crashes and try to restart X2, even X2 tells me the drivers are unavailable!
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 20:20:37
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Sonar sometimes hanging on to drivers after closure/crash is a long-standing issue (though it did improve with X1). Prior to X2 checking in Task Manager if bitbridge was still running then killing the bitbridge process tree sometimes solved the problem.
I've just had X2 crash following clicking on a step sequencer window (white screen).
Task Manager couldn't kill it, and bitbridge no longer running. I openned a command console window (what used to be called a DOS window) and used the TASKLIST command to get X2's process number then TASKKILL with the /f switch set to force X2 to shut down.
The whited-out X2 window remained open. Re-running TASKLIST showed X2 still running with the same process ID. Trying TASKKILL again got the response "the process was not found" - i.e. Windows thinks X2 is shut down when it isn't.
Time for another bug report......
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 20:45:27
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by far the only thing i wish i had control over.
i too thought it may be a m audio driver at first,but i dont have them installed anymore because i thought thats what was causing my hangs.
hopefully in the future something can be done to kill the driver apon a crash.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 20:56:42
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I have the same problem, when I close a decent sized project sonar crashes. I know it crashes only when I try to open it again and it doesn't open. bit bridge is usually running in the background I can close it and reopen sonar once. If I try this process again I'm usually not successful. This leads me to wonder is anyone using J-bridge having this issue? I want to buy it just to see if it solves this. This may be the reason some people are 100% 64bit on all plugins.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/07 21:18:54
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frankjcc
I have the same problem, when I close a decent sized project sonar crashes. I know it crashes only when I try to open it again and it doesn't open. bit bridge is usually running in the background I can close it and reopen sonar once. If I try this process again I'm usually not successful. This leads me to wonder is anyone using J-bridge having this issue? I want to buy it just to see if it solves this. This may be the reason some people are 100% 64bit on all plugins.
you bring up a good point,id also like to hear from those using J bridge and see if they have the hang problems us with bit bridge are. because bit bridge is running here when this happens. i have noticed though its mostly 3rd party plug ins that do it,32 bit plug ins.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 05:03:51
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I use JBridge and BitBridge but still get the dreaded crash and then Sonar not being able to be killed NO MATTER what I try. That includes TASKILL from CMD and also running 3rd party Process killer software. Its deffo a 64 bit issue....I have also tried killing the bitbridge process tree. I have tried killing ALL the audio processes and services but Sonardpr.exe still wont give up the game. "Share with other programs" is selected also. Seriously, I have tried EVERYTHING to rectify this issue (I'm actually a Microsoft Network Engineer so I know a few things about PC's) and there is NO way round it. chuckebaby
frankjcc
I have the same problem, when I close a decent sized project sonar crashes. I know it crashes only when I try to open it again and it doesn't open. bit bridge is usually running in the background I can close it and reopen sonar once. If I try this process again I'm usually not successful. This leads me to wonder is anyone using J-bridge having this issue? I want to buy it just to see if it solves this. This may be the reason some people are 100% 64bit on all plugins.
you bring up a good point,id also like to hear from those using J bridge and see if they have the hang problems us with bit bridge are.
because bit bridge is running here when this happens.
i have noticed though its mostly 3rd party plug ins that do it,32 bit plug ins.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 10:16:22
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The fact the the drivers are held on to is more likely just one of the results of Sonar hanging and not closing as it should on your system. Besides the audio driver there are a likely many other unseen resources that are held on to as well. You are just seeing the drivers being held onto as evidence of such resources being held.
This is not meant as anything more than to properly focus your troubleshooting.
Try this:
Run MSCONFIG
In the services tab, click Hide Microsoft services.
Now disable ALL other services that you see there
Click the startup tab
Disable all the startup items there
restart windows.
You will have less add on stuff running at this point and may not be able to print for instance
as you have turned off services.
You may have to go back into msconfig in and turn on your audio card services if they exist
but:
Run Sonar in this environment and see if it doesn't terminate as expected.
You can rerun msconfig again at any time to turn everything back on or only selectively enable things.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 11:20:23
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Yes, Rebooting is GREAT! :( Anyone thats reading this and has the issue of SONARDPR.EXE hanging around, please IGNORE this crazy suggestion, it simply doesnt work. I am getting sick and tired of useless answers to the release of the Process issue...... Restart, blah blah, defrag...blah blah...update drivers..blah blah...I could go on...... The fact of this matter is this. Its a Sonar issue thats hard to pin down in a 64 bit environment. So, Sonar...****ing well deal with it. Fellow Sonar users please stop posting ****ty work arounds that dont work. bitman
The fact the the drivers are held on to is more likely just one of the results of Sonar hanging and not closing as it should on your system. Besides the audio driver there are a likely many other unseen resources that are held on to as well. You are just seeing the drivers being held onto as evidence of such resources being held.
This is not meant as anything more than to properly focus your troubleshooting.
Try this:
Run MSCONFIG
In the services tab, click Hide Microsoft services.
Now disable ALL other services that you see there
Click the startup tab
Disable all the startup items there
restart windows.
You will have less add on stuff running at this point and may not be able to print for instance
as you have turned off services.
You may have to go back into msconfig in and turn on your audio card services if they exist
but:
Run Sonar in this environment and see if it doesn't terminate as expected.
You can rerun msconfig again at any time to turn everything back on or only selectively enable things.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 11:41:37
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I quit using Bitbridge and overall 32 bit VSTs in a 64 bit world. I went entirely to 64 bit plugs only. That greatly reduced the hanging of Sonar. The only thing I miss are the UAD plugins but they are going to be 64 bit by year end.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 12:32:08
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The fact of this matter is this. Its a Sonar issue thats hard to pin down in a 64 bit environment. So, Sonar...****ing well deal with it. Fellow Sonar users please stop posting ****ty work arounds that dont work. You're on a user based discussion forum (not official support)... Why **** at folks who are trying to help? Someone may throw out a tip to help you effectively work around the issue. If not, what are you out? You don't like the idea of "workarounds"... but the situation is what it is (imperfect). Trouble-shooting and problem-solving is a HUGE part of what we do (as folks working with audio/technology). Sour attitude won't help...
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 12:56:17
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UPDATE**** Well, 24hrs later after checking "share with drivers with other programs" button, haven't had a hang up yet. (Thanks Bob!) I realize I'm really tempting fate by typing that last sentence, but so far so good, thanks so much. I'm going to try bitman's MSCONFIG solution if the problem starts recurring, but for now I'm going to leave well enough alone. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 13:09:32
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Interesting.... I always have that option enabled, and don't recall the last time I couldn't get the SONAR.exe to exit if needed (XP, Vista and Win7, three different interfaces). I never made a connection between the two but now I wonder...
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 13:47:39
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This has been a problem for a while now.
Sonar, once it hangs, requires like 7 minutes to close, unless I reboot.
It does not matter what converter you use, since people think that it is M-Audio, when it is not.
I just gave up on this issue and either wait or reboot.
I think Sonar can be programmed to exit.
But it seems like there is not a will to do it.
Maybe the original frame of the source code is too complicated to try to understand where to rewrite to make Sonar exit.
The reason I say this is because one time I wrote to CW and ask if they can put the slide latency bar for WDM driver to be put right on top of the main GUI. Imagine how easy it would be to change it back and forth, like slide it to minimum when tracking and raise it when mixing? I got an answer from CW that it is not easy to do so. Lol, everything in nowaday programming is module. So how hard is that to take that module and incorporate it to the main GUI? Meaning make a call to that submodule from the main GUI.
The only bad thing is that if it hangs while you forgot to save, then you loose everything you have done up to that point.
So I learn to save often. But sometimes I forgot when I am deep into it, like writing a part or recording a take, etc...
But on the other hand there are a lot of other things that Sonar exceeds when compared to other daws.
sincerely.,
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 15:16:09
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I am not a Windows programmer and I only know a very little about Windows programming. But I do follow the technical stuff and I was a system's programmer in Unix for many decades.
From what I gather happened was that somewhere between XP and Vista, the MS internals changed so that all GUI operations were done in user-mode, not kernel-mode. Originally this was done in the kernel for speed, but it meant that a bad video call could crash the system.
Now a bad video call just crashes the app.
As a result, just about every tool now has two or more parts - a kernel service or driver that does the work, and a GUI client that sends it messages and reads its output for display purposes.
This is why some tools seem to be sluggish now and then - they are just not running fast enough or at a high enough priority to keep up with the driver.
The threads that I see running when Sonar hangs always seem to be in the audio driver - wmaud.sys or whatever it's called. Usually in ASIO-land or somewhere like that.
So I think that that part of the kernel is immune from some types of task pre-emption - or it never looks for the terminate message. Maybe these parts were never designed to be stopped by an outside process or are running in some super-user mode.
I don't know - just guess work. But it helps me understand things a little.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 15:22:47
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Another idea I just had that is related. When Sonar transport is running, it disables itself from being terminated. Perhaps when it hangs this is the reason.
I suppose there are several types of terminate messages - 'please terminate now', 'terminate if possible', and 'shutdown imminent go away'! I don't know, just a guess.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 17:17:13
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This is by far the most irritating of all the sonar negatives. I can handle the crashes, what PC owner cant, but the whole reboot thing is pure frustration.
I cant comment on whether Cake has an official take on this as have never heard it myself or indeed be officially addressed, could be wrong.
Maybe its a necessary evil to make the program run correctly and thats why its never been 'sorted' ... (insert alien music and a general conspiracy theory here)
Bob's suggestion is definitely worth a try, sounds promising. Share drivers with other programs has always looked like a 'touch me and i will ruin performance' checkbox to me....... but then again, i know nothing about the finer points of programming.... or err women.
Im just thankful that sometime, somewhere, enough people got clever enough to write software that lets me do what i love at much less than £50 per hour and the price of 500 cassette tapes.
Progress is good :) Thats why we were never happy in caves.
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 17:48:04
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I have a really fast machine, so if there is a performance hit to srahing the drivers with other programs I don't know that I would see it.
It looks in the posts above that 2 people - 3 counting me, have seen a decrease or elimination in hangs by trying to run after checking the box in Preferences that allows sharing the drivers with other programs.
The thread originator, 'nullobject', is one of those folks, 'Stevec' seems to be another, and I would be the third one. I certainly do not claim that this will fix anything, but it seems worth a shot, as 3 of us seem to have found relief with this change made.
Markyzno - I certainly don't hope to end up in the 'gives crappy suggestions' list, but do you think you could please give it a try to check that box in preferences and see if it helps?
It is in: Edit>Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording, and is the box that says: 'Share Drivers With Other Programs'.
Thanks - I have all my fingers and toes crossed on your behalf (and mine, cause I don't want to get that crappy suggestion giver label - yikes).
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 17:59:36
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markyzno
+1 million.
This drives me ****ing crazy and I keep barking on about it.
Whats your card? M-Audio?
I run Sonar X2 on two machines, my studio DAW and my home office, of course, not at the same time. My studio DAW has MOTU 828mk3 audio and the home office computer has M-Audio firewire solo. The DAW with MOTU never ever has this driver hanging issue; the home computer with M-Audio (AMD 955be with 8 gigs of ram) has it happen every day. BTW, that is one of the reasons I switched from M-Audio drivers to MOTU. Just my 2cents.
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/08 18:06:22
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Hey - I just got off the phone with Cakewalk tech support, for a different issue with registration of a different product (not connected to this thread), but while I had him on the phone I asked him about that check box to allow sharing drivers with other programs.
We chatted about it for a few minutes, and his thought is that there are certainly some flaky weird driver things out there, and that trying to get relief from the hangups by checking that box is certainly a reasonable thing to do, and quite possibly would help.
So, again, please do give this a shot and post feedback on your results - thanks SOOO much,
Bob Bone
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/09 02:45:44
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Just FYI, I have the "share drivers" box checked on both of my machines. It does not help my M-Audio set up, which still has the hang, and if it helps with the MOTU I would not know because it has been rock solid and never exhibted the problem. This is just to give feedback.
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/09 05:48:36
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Thanks, cecllius2. I will stop suggesting making that change to folks who are experiencing the hanging Sonar issue.
Even the Cakewalk tech guy said he was not sure, just that it seemed reasonable to try, as there are some flaky driver things out there.
Unfortunately for me, I think your post may have gotten me promoted to the 'gives crappy suggestions' list that one of the other posters has. My apologies to that person - I shall strive to redeem myself someday in his eyes. :)
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/09 05:48:37
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Oh please! I am far from sour and also try to give my support to fellow users. this issue is just incredibly frustrating. Jim Roseberry
The fact of this matter is this. Its a Sonar issue thats hard to pin down in a 64 bit environment. So, Sonar...****ing well deal with it. Fellow Sonar users please stop posting ****ty work arounds that dont work.
You're on a user based discussion forum (not official support)...
Why **** at folks who are trying to help?
Someone may throw out a tip to help you effectively work around the issue.
If not, what are you out?
You don't like the idea of "workarounds"... but the situation is what it is (imperfect).
Trouble-shooting and problem-solving is a HUGE part of what we do (as folks working with audio/technology).
Sour attitude won't help...
Sonar Platinum 64 bit > Pro tools 10.3.2 >Intel i7 3770K > 16Gb Ram > Gigabyte Z77-D3H Motherboard> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB > ATi RADEON HD5700 > 240GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD> Win 10 home 64 bit> Delta 1010 > MOTU Audio Express > MA-15D's > NI Ultimate 9 > NI Kontrol S61 1.1 > NI MAschine Studio 2.3 / KORG MS-20 Mini - Arturia MicroBrute > KORG SQ1 - KORG Kaoss Pad KP3 > iPad and IO Dock 2 running various bits > Bunch of guitars >Sound Design on IMDB --
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Re:Let my drivers GO!
2012/10/09 05:51:54
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Hey Bob...Yup, tried that. Still crashes on occasion. I had the Share drivers thang ticked ever since I upgraded to Win7 64 bit. Sonar crashes with or without.....*sometimes* Basically I try to avoid 32 bit plugins like the plague. This kind of smooths things over somewhat but I still get crashes. Dim Pro is a bad culprit, sometimes Pro Channel sometimes the browser..... I wish I could pin it down. I do faithfully send in crash reports to the bakers tho. robert_e_bone
I have a really fast machine, so if there is a performance hit to srahing the drivers with other programs I don't know that I would see it.
It looks in the posts above that 2 people - 3 counting me, have seen a decrease or elimination in hangs by trying to run after checking the box in Preferences that allows sharing the drivers with other programs.
The thread originator, 'nullobject', is one of those folks, 'Stevec' seems to be another, and I would be the third one. I certainly do not claim that this will fix anything, but it seems worth a shot, as 3 of us seem to have found relief with this change made.
Markyzno - I certainly don't hope to end up in the 'gives crappy suggestions' list, but do you think you could please give it a try to check that box in preferences and see if it helps?
It is in: Edit>Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording, and is the box that says: 'Share Drivers With Other Programs'.
Thanks - I have all my fingers and toes crossed on your behalf (and mine, cause I don't want to get that crappy suggestion giver label - yikes).
Bob Bone
Sonar Platinum 64 bit > Pro tools 10.3.2 >Intel i7 3770K > 16Gb Ram > Gigabyte Z77-D3H Motherboard> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB > ATi RADEON HD5700 > 240GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD> Win 10 home 64 bit> Delta 1010 > MOTU Audio Express > MA-15D's > NI Ultimate 9 > NI Kontrol S61 1.1 > NI MAschine Studio 2.3 / KORG MS-20 Mini - Arturia MicroBrute > KORG SQ1 - KORG Kaoss Pad KP3 > iPad and IO Dock 2 running various bits > Bunch of guitars >Sound Design on IMDB --
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