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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 11:57:44 (permalink)
Sounds good to me. I've been upgrading since the DOS version and probably have spent thousands on upgrades during all that time. This is like paying off the mortgage: I get to keep the house and no more loan payments. :) However, I do think I will wait until that June 1 announcement to take the plunge.

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 12:00:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bronsoncox 2016/05/21 22:21:55
Anderton
See post #2. You are missing the point, as well as the potential revenue sources.



I did see post #2 and I did not "miss the point".
Cakewalks intentions aside, I have analyzed business models for decades. Too many MAJOR paradigm shifts in a very short time usually equates to a company scrambling for cash flow or a lack of CLEAR direction along with disappointing results from prior shifts.  It makes one feel that the company does not really have a "long term" plan for survival. I truly hope I am wrong, as I love working with Sonar.  

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 12:01:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/05/21 13:36:28
John T
here's my fairly baseless speculation:
 
Platinum isn't where the majority of revenue comes from anyway. 


That is not a baseless speculation, Noel has confirmed that fact in these forums in the past.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 12:44:13 (permalink)
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I did see post #2 and I did not "miss the point".
Cakewalks intentions aside, I have analyzed business models for decades. Too many MAJOR paradigm shifts in a very short time usually equates to a company scrambling for cash flow or a lack of CLEAR direction along with disappointing results from prior shifts.  It makes one feel that the company does not really have a "long term" plan for survival. I truly hope I am wrong, as I love working with Sonar.  



Oh dude take off your tin-foil hat. If SONAR lasts just ONE more year* your investment will have paid for itself. Stop looking for evil when there is none.
 
*- I suppose technically it would be 16 months until it pays for itself assuming you would upgrade next Jan when the cycle would have come around. 

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 12:46:17 (permalink)
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Anderton
See post #2. You are missing the point, as well as the potential revenue sources.



I did see post #2 and I did not "miss the point".
Cakewalks intentions aside, I have analyzed business models for decades. Too many MAJOR paradigm shifts in a very short time usually equates to a company scrambling for cash flow or a lack of CLEAR direction along with disappointing results from prior shifts.  It makes one feel that the company does not really have a "long term" plan for survival. I truly hope I am wrong, as I love working with Sonar.  


Cakewalk has always had other consumer based products that have also contributed to the health of the company. Not sure how many of you know this but Pyro and Music Creator were huge products for Cakewalk. Music Creator still does quite well. In addition, Dimension Pro, Rapture and Z3TA+ have also been very successful. We'll continue developing more products so we have a healthy mix. That being said, SONAR is still very important to us and SONAR Platinum is the flagship. And of course we have SONAR Artist and Professional as well. We're excited to share some of the developments on June 1st. It's all good news. And btw, there's already a precedent for lifetime updates in our industry.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 13:02:09 (permalink)
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Anderton
See post #2. You are missing the point, as well as the potential revenue sources.



I did see post #2 and I did not "miss the point".
Cakewalks intentions aside, I have analyzed business models for decades.



Okay, but with all due respect, you haven't analyzed Cakewalk's. STEAM and Music Creator provide substantial sources of income that are not impacted one bit by Platinum users who renewed getting lifetime updates. Ditto instrument and plug-ins sales, including those for the Mac. I think Cakewalk has a much more diversified portfolio of revenue sources than you realize, and for which there have been no "MAJOR paradigm shifts." 

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 13:09:22 (permalink)
funny, i never got the email. nor do i get other emails from cakewalk, even though i've signed up frequently and been a user since DOS.

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 13:24:48 (permalink)
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funny, i never got the email. nor do i get other emails from cakewalk, even though i've signed up frequently and been a user since DOS.




zomg bro, you are missing OUT! See if Andrew can get you signed up, my jaw literally dropped open when I got the offer.

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 13:25:22 (permalink)
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funny, i never got the email. nor do i get other emails from cakewalk, even though i've signed up frequently and been a user since DOS.


IIRC the upgrade price is only for Platinum members signing on for the next (this, for the second) year already.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 13:45:31 (permalink)
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funny, i never got the email. nor do i get other emails from cakewalk, even though i've signed up frequently and been a user since DOS.


You should be all set now. You were unsubscribed.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 14:24:25 (permalink)
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Oh dude take off your tin-foil hat. If SONAR lasts just ONE more year* your investment will have paid for itself. Stop looking for evil when there is none.
 



Not at all looking for evil or tin-foil hat conspiracies, just been in the business world (no not Cakewalk's) a long time, and have seen too many times to ignore. It's not the "investment" I'm concerned about. As it has been said before, $99-$149 is a good meal and bottle of wine. I will continue to use Sonar for as long as I can keep my computer alive. I have and will continue to support Cake by purchasing their products whether I use them or not. (although a Platinum owner, I still do most projects in X3).

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 14:36:01 (permalink)
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Okay, but with all due respect, you haven't analyzed Cakewalk's. STEAM and Music Creator provide substantial sources of income that are not impacted one bit by Platinum users who renewed getting lifetime updates. Ditto instrument and plug-ins sales, including those for the Mac. I think Cakewalk has a much more diversified portfolio of revenue sources than you realize, and for which there have been no "MAJOR paradigm shifts." 




Very true, I haven't "analyzed Cakewalk's".  Craig, I am not trying to argue, please don't take it that way.

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 15:03:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/05/21 18:04:10
OK I've been around here for a very long time. I have watched CW do all sorts of deals and promotions.  They have never reneged on any of them.  CW's reputation is one where even the ones that have been very upset with them will admit to CW's forthrightness. The fact they are here on their day off speaks volumes. I can't see anything wrong in being a little disbelieving about such a radical proposal but I wonder how one can come to any conclusion that CW is not to be taken at their word. One has to ask when was the last time CW lied or even misled anyone?
 
My view is simple here. I don't see how a member can post this sort of thread in good faith. I just don't get it.    

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 18:35:27 (permalink)
I love the idea but once I read the lifetime updates are availible for purchase through the end of August I figured I would wait to see what they are talking about on the 1st of june. I'm always skeptical of quickly giving up cash.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 19:12:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2016/05/22 11:39:42
I have faith in Cakewalk.  I just took the plunge!

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 19:39:17 (permalink)
Hey,
 
I just realized that my Sonar Platinum membership ended March 7, 2016.
That is probably why I did not receive the $99 lifetime offer.
So can I still get the lifetime membership?
 
When does the lifetime membership offer expire?
 
Please help.

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 19:45:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2016/05/21 20:15:05
Now I've not always agreed with some of the features and have had my grips about
UI features (like every ADD musician does)
but ive yet to see even a glimmer of being screwed by this company. so why now ?
because they are throwing out a great offer ?
 
well I can respect those who need more info, those who are cautious. I can respect that.
one does have to ask the motives behind this offer. so like I said, I can respect the curiosity factor.
but don't think for one second this company wont keep its word. in almost 20 years it has kept its promises and in some cases, gone the extra mile to satisfy its customers.
this company is run by guys just yourself, a bunch of musicians, creative ones at that.
 
so do I put my trust in them ? do I have faith in Cakewalk ?
you bet your sweet ass I do.
 
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 19:48:53 (permalink)
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 When does the lifetime membership offer expire?
 

Aug. 31, 2016 but that might change.

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 20:24:56 (permalink)
I own Studio One 3 Professional and Sonar Platinum. Right now I happen to like Studio One 3 layout much better than Sonar Platinum. This being said when I received my 99.00 offer from Cakewalk I jumped all over it because I know that Cakewalk is always moving forward and will constantly better their DAW. Now I never have to worry about making that decision if I should do the next years upgrade again. I can go back to the latest and greatest version of Sonar whenever I want without worrying about what it will cost and who knows at some point I may drop upgrades to Studio One when I feel Sonar meets my whims and needs.
 
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 20:26:03 (permalink)
Vas
Hey,
 
I just realized that my Sonar Platinum membership ended March 7, 2016.
That is probably why I did not receive the $99 lifetime offer.
So can I still get the lifetime membership?
 
When does the lifetime membership offer expire?
 
Please help.


Hi Vas,
 
You will get pricing on June 1st. Offer expires August 31st so you have time to decide.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 20:39:48 (permalink)
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Vas
Hey,
 
I just realized that my Sonar Platinum membership ended March 7, 2016.
That is probably why I did not receive the $99 lifetime offer.
So can I still get the lifetime membership?
 
When does the lifetime membership offer expire?
 
Please help.


Hi Vas,
 
You will get pricing on June 1st. Offer expires August 31st so you have time to decide.




I love Sonar. It is the only DAW that has 100% of my requirements. 
Since my subscription has expired what is the most economical way to proceed to get the $99 lifetime offer.
Not sure what is meant by "You will get pricing on June 1st."

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 21:38:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby eikelbijter 2016/05/21 23:29:31
You will find out June 1st... OY!
This has been discussed ad nauseum... those of us renewing are being rewarded... and it has been stated NUMEROUS TIMES there will be a fair offer unfolding and you'll get what you deserve........... on June 1st.
brainless? lazy? clutter freaks?  just a couple random thoughts crossing my mind...  
 

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 22:35:14 (permalink)
Thanks!
 
What was I thinking!!!???
 
 

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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/21 22:36:12 (permalink)
yeah I've been with em since Twelve Tone days - I didn't get an email
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/22 00:27:28 (permalink)
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I own Studio One 3 Professional and Sonar Platinum. Right now I happen to like Studio One 3 layout much better than Sonar Platinum. This being said when I received my 99.00 offer from Cakewalk I jumped all over it because I know that Cakewalk is always moving forward and will constantly better their DAW. Now I never have to worry about making that decision if I should do the next years upgrade again. I can go back to the latest and greatest version of Sonar whenever I want without worrying about what it will cost and who knows at some point I may drop upgrades to Studio One when I feel Sonar meets my whims and needs.
 
Thank you Cakewalk for making my life so much easier and less stressful! Peace and out...
 
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this is exactly my situation (plus reaper and mixbus 3) i wasn't going to renew again after this years subscription expired, and wasn't moving past manchester for various reasons, but when this popped up there was really no thinking required and no decision to be made, instant buy, and i put aside my 'various reasons' and installed the latest early release. now at any time down the track if the tide changes again and sonar draws me back there is nothing to pay, i am already there at the latest and greatest version, don't have to worry about it as long as sonar exists. it really is an awesome deal, and as long as it is not detrimental to cakewalk, which by all accounts it isn't, then its all good, thank you very much.  i think they are smart enough not to shoot themselves and us in the foot, at least they deserve the benefit of any doubt. i will be purchasing any extra items of interest, of course it would be icing on the cake if they were all usable in other daw's, but regardless if they are of interst i will purchase them if for no other reason than return the gesture that has been given to me via the lifetime deal.
 
not sure about the comments in various threads which seem to aim at something underhanded going on or that it may be a cash grab because they know they are going down the sh*^$r. i mean even if it was true, asking the question to me seems rather pointless, i mean if someone was about to rob you, and you ask them are they going to rob you, i'm fairly certain that he would answer 'no' even if they were, so those type of questions are fairly pointless in my view, and maybe a little rude and insulting if nothing else.
 
props to the cakewalk and gibson officials for their efforts since this was announced, they have really had their work cut out for them and have gone beyond the call of duty. they have conducted themselves very well, and i think they must have fairly thick skins
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/22 01:14:57 (permalink)
I certainly took the leap and went ahead and did lifetime upgrade deal too. I am an infrequent user of SONAR at this moment - simply because my musical creation and recording time itself has been limited by other life demands at present - but I still have the desire to one day get back to it on a daily basis as, at the very least, a passionate hobby once again. It is why I signed on to the subscription service from the get go as well - I need it to be there when I am finally ready to get back to it and this was a great way for that to happen. Certainly since I see the time on the near horizon that I can get back into indulging my creative side once again.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/22 07:29:41 (permalink)
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Yeah, I bit on the lifetime of SPlat updates too! Great deal for those of us that are long time/loyal Cakewalk/SONAR users. I upgraded to every SONAR version since v1.0 (2001) and had Pro Audio 9 before that. So for me it is a no brainer. I thought I would pull the trigger before Cake changes their minds!  
 
I'm all in.....SPlat for Life!  
 
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/22 08:29:48 (permalink)
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Growth doesn't come from existing SONAR customers upgrading, that's just maintenance...look at how many people are still stuck on X1 or even 8.5. Those people could have all received free updates for life and it wouldn't have made a penny's worth of difference to the bottom line.
 
But they didn't get free updates for life, because they didn't continue to support SONAR and Cakewalk. The people who renewed Platinum DID. They deserve a reward. I guess in this day and age it's a weird concept to think that a company really appreciates its users. Oh well.

 
What feedback did you get why people are still on X1 or 8.5?
It's a little bit what I have been on about like in the thread "Psychology of the wallet..".
Paying is also a statement - I like what you do, so I pay again.
 
I bought Sonar 4 Studio 2005, but stayed on that since I felt no response getting the reported bugs fixed. Not until 8.5 and I wanted a 64-bit version for the new computer did I upgrade. That is a loss of 4 upgrade fees or so.
 
Then I stayed on 8.5(actually running other daws though) until X3, since so many things were missing from 8-series.
 
Then I got Artist 2015 and started looking for notation that embrace what I need. Tested last spring/summer 5-6 notation software and found that upgrade fee to Cubase Pro 8 were not more, and Cubase has really decent notation. So inability again from Cakewalk to address the notation part drove me to Cubase - and found a lot of headroom for other things as well, arranger tracks, VCA faders, good offset handling of automation, like how track view is scrolled, all Waves plugin fully supported etc. Thought for a while to do recording/mixing in Sonar and just notation in Cubase, but changed my mind and made the leap over. So many things that let me play around in a single project as an endless bar range palette and then use arranger track to combine and regenerate a new full project when I get the parts that I feel fit together. Basically using one project as scratch pad.
 
So acting on feature request or bug reports or NOT also has consequence on how we users act - psychology of the wallet.
 
How good an idea removing that part from the relationship is - is unclear - maybe it's a good thing bringing more onboard, don't know. With extended dialog in other ways it's probably fine.
 
But I never saw more determination in any other vendor - so Cakewalk will be monitored what is up in future.
Sonar is a really fine daw and am sure I will be onboard again at some time.
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Re: Lifetime Upgrades - Too good to be true? 2016/05/22 15:49:25 (permalink)
This goes to John specifically..... this thread was just for me to post some thoughts on what I think (and others may think) about this too good to be true offer.  I usually don't respond to individual posts but I feel I owe John an explanation. 
 
If this thread inferred that I thought this is a bad deal and I was upset, please read it again, in where I close with "Having Blind Faith" that the powers to be have this under control and was only questioning the wisdom of giving up millions of dollars of revenue for an extra one time hit of revenue. This seemed puzzling especially since this new subscription deal has been executed and accepted so positively by us users.  I like that fixes and new features are being realized more frequently for about the same cost as was the annual upgrade fee (we are all winners here).  
 
I know that CAKE is saying that most of their revenue is NOT coming from existing users but even at 10,000 annual updates we are talking about $1M per year in revenue that has apparently been given up by this new lifetime deal.  I am going to sign up for this and my faith is that CAKE is able to remain my DAW environment software for many years to come.
 
I felt that I  wanted to get my thoughts out to the community to see what others think as well.  And I would say that based upon the additional input here, most agree that this move by CAKE is a bit of a mystery and that, like me, most folks have some blind faith in this move and will be signing up for this too good to be true business model change for us SPLAT  users.  
 
I did some calculations and I think I have purchased over $2000 in upgrades since I first signed up in the mid 1980s to CAKEWALK when the product was basically a MIDI editor with little to no support for AUDIO. I am sure that most of us long time users could estimate how much income they have provided to CAKE for upgrades and as you can see, we are talking about a multi million business change cost to CAKE for what appears to be (from their words) a reward for all of us sticking with CAKE all these years or at least (for newer users) to take the SPLAT plunge.
 
Only time will tell how this turns out but again, I say, they have my blind faith as a loyal and dedicated user of their DAW software.
 
Again, for John, this is why and how I started this thread in good faith and if this came across as a CAKE bashing, that was not my intent for which I apologize to anyone who took this OP as a negative to bakers.
 
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