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2017/08/08 22:44:31 (permalink)

Line 6 Helix Native is coming....

Helix Native

Critically acclaimed guitar effects processor in a plug-in format.

Helix® Native delivers the power and tonal authenticity of award-winning HX Modeling technology in a plug-in. Like the hardware members of the Helix family of guitar processors—Helix Floor, Helix Rack, and Helix LT—the Helix Native plug-in features accurate recreations of vintage and modern amplifiers, speaker cabinets, microphones, and effects, as well as extensive signal-routing capabilities and an intuitive user interface. Not just for guitarists, the Helix Native plug-in is also ideal for producers and engineers, sound designers, film/TV/game composers, electronic musicians, and anyone else seeking to craft new and exciting sounds and special effects. And preset compatibility across the entire Helix family allows Helix hardware users to bring studio-created sounds to the stage by simply transferring their plug-in presets to their Helix Floor, Helix Rack, or Helix LT processors.
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 01:30:17 (permalink)
That's one I'll be interested in hearing. 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 01:55:11 (permalink)
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That's one I'll be interested in hearing. 


+1.....and hopefully with a good sales pricing/upgrade. 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 11:46:26 (permalink)
I've owned the Helix, AX8, Amplifire, HD500X, S-Gear, Amplitube 4, and Revalver 4.
I prefer S-Gear (and sometimes Amplitube) for modeling. I sold all hardware modelers and bought a
Roland Blues Cube Artist for live stuff.
Helix Native will be a big hit. It's up there with the top tier stuff and offers lots of amps and effects.
I only need a few things...S-Gear is as good as anything else at what it can do.
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 12:48:35 (permalink)
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Helix Native will be a big hit. 
 



That will be purely dependent on price.  Chances are it will be outrageously priced
due to the price point of the Helix Hardware unit.  But one can hope...


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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 13:13:10 (permalink)
Just read that they said at NAMM the price would be around $300,
or $99 for existing Helix owners...

That will keep a lot of potential customers away...regardless of how good
it may be.  They haven't figured out that you are better off selling millions
of copies at $99 rather than thousands at $300...

That will also keep the vast majority away until it goes on sale...and Line 6
sales are few and far between...
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 13:18:31 (permalink)
And they will have a subscription model apparently...


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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 13:23:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/08/09 13:46:08
I'm OK with a $300 price tag. Just not sure I'd pay that price.
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 13:49:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/08/09 15:14:35
Just another person's opinion:
 
I've owned the Kemper, Axe-FX II XL+, AX8, HeadRush, and Helix.
Helix is the only "modeling" unit that I've kept... because the sound and flexibility (both studio and live).
 
I've owned most of the software amp-sim plugins (including Amplitube and S-Gear).
I don't even bother installing my software amp-sim plugins.
Helix is incredibly flexible, easy to use, and sounds better (IMO) than any current software plugin.
 
Not only good for electric guitar sounds; If you have a piezo equipped guitar, you can use "acoustic body resonance" IRs to dramatically enhance the acoustic sound (eliminating that smacky/quacky nature).
I've compared the Axe-FX II XL+ side-by-side with Helix.  In this capacity, Helix (IMO) sounds more natural (less processed) than the Axe-FX II XL+ and AX8.
 
If you play live, Helix's form-factor is super convenient.
"Scenes" make it easy to make dramatic changes (instantly) with one foot-switch.
If you need to fly-in a bit of sampled audio, Helix foot-switches can send MIDI notes.
You've got brightly lit scribble-strips above each foot-switch (reminders when playing live).
 
What I like most about Helix:
If you can imagine something, it's quick/easy to make it happen.
 
For Helix owners, the Native version is $99.
IMO, That's a no-brainer.
At $400 (for those without Helix), it's a tougher choice.
I'm sure there will be discounts.
 
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 13:51:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/08/09 17:19:27
I would have edited the above post... but if I do... the site software will remove it.
 
The word "Scenes" should be "SnapShots".
Helix uses "SnapShots".
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 19:16:06 (permalink)
I follow the threads over at Line6 about this as well. I am looking forward to the plugin and it will be reasonably priced for me because I have a Helix.
 
However, I find it funny that they sent out a notification for this when it is not available yet. We have known for months that it was coming. They initially said by the end of spring. Just tell me when it is here.

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/09 21:12:16 (permalink)
Thanks for info. I have actually put a helix hardware unit on order just yesterday and assuming I will like/keep it, 99 USD for the native version would be ok - if it does not require the helix hardware connected as a dongle.

I did quite like the pod farm stuff how it put the same options onto your DAW which you knew from the hardware unit (and vice versa) but hated that it requires USB connection of the hardware unit ... why drag in the full rack and rig it up if you have the same options native ?

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/10 02:15:51 (permalink)
I'm pretty firmly in the Helix camp, so a software version is very intriguing!
I haven't been a modeler type, I picked up a used Pod XT Pro a couple years ago for a pit band gig, and it was fun, and dang it was easy and portable and...
 
But it didn't sound as good as I had hoped. I tried a Helix this past spring and bought one. This still won't replace my amps and pedals, but I'm getting tired of dragging all that gear around, and there are things the Helix can do that the rest of my gear can't.

I'm looking forward to the software version!

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/11 23:33:38 (permalink)
Will it have PACE "protection"?
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/12 03:24:56 (permalink)
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Helix Native will be a big hit. 
 



That will be purely dependent on price.  Chances are it will be outrageously priced
due to the price point of the Helix Hardware unit.  But one can hope...




Yes, indeed.  I am still flabbergasted by the price of the Helix.

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/12 03:28:34 (permalink)
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Thanks for info. I have actually put a helix hardware unit on order just yesterday and assuming I will like/keep it, 99 USD for the native version would be ok - if it does not require the helix hardware connected as a dongle.

I did quite like the pod farm stuff how it put the same options onto your DAW which you knew from the hardware unit (and vice versa) but hated that it requires USB connection of the hardware unit ... why drag in the full rack and rig it up if you have the same options native ?

 
I get around this by having a Line6 TonePort DI as the audio interface for my multimedia speakers for Windows.  Also, stores the authorizations for my Line6 software.  Plus, it's nice having that nice big volume knob to hand for volume adjustments.
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/14 16:03:56 (permalink)
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I did quite like the pod farm stuff how it put the same options onto your DAW which you knew from the hardware unit (and vice versa) but hated that it requires USB connection of the hardware unit

Hmmmmm My pod farm native uses iLok. Much smaller dongle to have to carry/lug around.
 
Bear in mind I never had the hardware version, I just jumped to the software version directly.
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/14 17:24:02 (permalink)
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Yes, indeed.  I am still flabbergasted by the price of the Helix.

 
Helix was specifically designed to compete with higher-end guitar processors that had set new quality standards (Kemper and Axe-FX).
Kemper was the first "amp-sim" where I felt the tone/response was as good as a tube amp.
That lead me to checking out the Axe-FX II XL+... and ultimately settling on the Helix.
 
Never liked the POD-HD series.
Helix is in a whole different league... both sound/response and the UI.
 
Given the competition and how it stacks up, I think the cost is reasonable.
You can get the LT version for $1000 (same sound/models).  The "full" Helix is $1500.
 
Helix covers a LOT of ground (both live and recording).  
The form-factor and I/O are super flexible.
For me, it's easy to justify the cost... as it makes playing live and recording so much more convenient.
I used to take a 40-60 pound tube head... and a 60 pound 2x12 cab to gigs... (plus a keyboard and my vocal gear).
Now, it's just the Helix... and it sounds great for dirty, clean, and acoustic guitar.
We also fly-in small bits of audio.  Helix foot-switches can be programmed to send MIDI data (no need for extra triggers cluttering the stage).
 
Creating/tweaking sounds with Helix is super easy.  The touch-sensitive switches make navigation fast.
ie: Want to tweak the delay?  Touch the switch assigned to the delay... and all parameters are available to tweak.
The delay hasn't yet been assigned to a switch?  Highlight the delay block... and touch the desired switch for a couple of seconds.  You'll be asked if you want to assign the delay to that switch.  Press OK and it's assigned.
 
Need to make radical tonal/EFX changes for the solo section?
Using SnapShots, you can do this with the press of a single foot-switch.
No more tap-dancing to kick on the delay, boost, etc.
 
I've played many gigs with the Kemper, Axe-FX, and Helix.
All are capable of great sounding results.
The form-factor... and flexibility are why I continue to use Helix.
 
 
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/14 20:40:10 (permalink)
Glad you pointed out the LT version has the same sound engine, just a couple fewer i/o options. I picked mine up for less than list by using the total $ discounts at Sam Ash. They offer them fairly frequently. You know, the spend $500 and get $100 off deals. I got the pedal for about $800. I will wait to see if there's an advantage to getting the software also.
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/15 02:37:15 (permalink)
Thanks Jim.  It was interesting and informative to hear your perspective.  Most of my usage is for recording, so it makes less sense for me.  I'll consider the plugin though, but will definitely be waiting for a discount.
 
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/15 13:08:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/08/15 13:20:32
I think owners of the helix should get the software for free and the price should be $99 for all!



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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/15 13:10:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/08/15 13:22:00
I've never had a problem with the price of the Helix or the AX8.
But I do think S-Gear sounds just as good if a basic set of amps and effects is all you need.
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/15 13:24:14 (permalink)
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I think owners of the helix should get the software for free


That would be nice indeed and in line with previous line6 way of doing business

But what is strange is the long time it takes them to port it to a native version (helix has been in the market for about 2 years) ... that must have cost them quite some money...

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/15 14:45:37 (permalink)
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LANEY
I think owners of the helix should get the software for free


That would be nice indeed and in line with previous line6 way of doing business

But what is strange is the long time it takes them to port it to a native version (helix has been in the market for about 2 years) ... that must have cost them quite some money...



It's certainly taken a while.  My guess is the development team is relatively small.
Line-6 had to redo the UI of the Helix editor... and made changes to the infrastructure so future updates are consistent across hardware and software versions.
 
As a Helix hardware owner, I'm not put off by the $99 cost.
If I wasn't a Helix owner, I'd have to think about $399.  $600 more and you can have the Helix LT.
 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/16 14:25:31 (permalink)

NOW AVAILABLE

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/16 14:26:36 (permalink)
Helix Native
Helix Native offers the authentic sounds of vintage and modern amps, cabs, mics, and effects—plus extensive signal routing functionality and an easy-to-use interface. Whether you’re a guitarist, producer, engineer, sound designer, film/TV/game composer, or electronic musician, the Helix Native plug-in is perfect for creating new and original sounds.

• Compatible with Mac® and PC
• 64-bit performance on AAX, AU, and VST3 platforms
• 60+ amps, 30+ cabs, and 100+ effects
• Supports third-party Impulse Responses (IRs)

Helix Native is available at a reduced cost for registered customers of Helix hardware and existing POD Farm users.

Please log in to your account here to see if you qualify.

 
Helix Native
$399.99 ( est. €340.99 )

With registered Helix Floor/Rack
$99.99 ( est. €85.24 )

With registered Helix LT
$299.99 ( est. €255.74 )

Upgrade from POD Farm
$349.99 ( est. €298.37 )

Upgrade from POD Farm Platinum
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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/16 15:12:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby clintmartin 2017/08/16 15:19:21
Looking forward to the convenience...
I can leave Helix (hardware) in rehearsal area... and use the plugin for learning parts.

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/16 15:20:42 (permalink)
A 15 day free trial is great! 

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/16 15:35:16 (permalink)
Helix is HERE!


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 The Helix® Native guitar and effects processing plug-in has arrived! It features the authentic sounds of vintage and modern amps, cabs, mics, and effects, as well as extensive signal-routing capabilities and an intuitive user interface. It also comes with a 15-day free trial so you can play before you purchase.
  • HX Modeling provides outstanding authenticity and responsiveness
  • More than 200 vintage and modern amps, cabs, mics, and effects
  • Presets are compatible with Helix Floor, Helix LT, and Helix Rack hardware
  • Also ideal for producers/engineers and electronic musicians
  • AAX, AU, and VST3 platforms

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Re: Line 6 Helix Native is coming.... 2017/08/16 15:37:34 (permalink)
And apparently the Website is AWOL


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