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Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
I loaded up my Addictive drum and made simple beat last night.
and I created AUX track for parallel processing.
I inserted izotope alloy2 on Aux track, and loaded some preset. I could hear phasing issue.
OK, It can happen during playback!
I stopped the play and restarted play, again, and again, but there is always phase issue.
I tried many other plugins instead of alloy2, same results.
I use latest version of Sonar platinum with windows 7 64bit.
Please someone can help me?
Best,
SOHN.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 00:20:34
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I have run into a latency problem just in the last week too.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 01:28:05
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Does it have the same problem if you put Alloy in a buss and get parallel processing through a track send? I do it that way without a problem.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 01:38:58
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Did you do it with drum track?
And did you try turn the plugin on and off?
Yes, I also did the test with stereo buss and several other plugin inc. Sonitus effects, same results.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 03:30:48
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Toggle the PDC button. See if that solves it.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 03:33:10
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I already did it.. Not solved.
Anyway thx for the replies guys.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 03:53:38
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What kind of audio interface are you using? The audio interface reports latency. Some are better than others.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 03:58:29
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Saffire pro. The point is, i didn't have this problem sometime ago.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 05:00:04
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muzdol
I loaded up my Addictive drum and made simple beat last night.
and I created AUX track for parallel processing.
I inserted izotope alloy2 on Aux track, and loaded some preset. I could hear phasing issue.
OK, It can happen during playback!
I stopped the play and restarted play, again, and again, but there is always phase issue.
I tried many other plugins instead of alloy2, same results.
I use latest version of Sonar platinum with windows 7 64bit.
Please someone can help me?
Best,
SOHN.
Insert any FX plugin in AD track and disable it (bypass). Works for me as a workaround. Or you can use PC76 U-Type Compressor on AD track, and adjust Dry/Wet to taste.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 06:32:32
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Thx for the info, guys.
Is sonar that bad daw? or othere daw is same?
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 08:17:00
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muzdol
I loaded up my Addictive drum and made simple beat last night.
and I created AUX track for parallel processing.
I inserted izotope alloy2 on Aux track, and loaded some preset. I could hear phasing issue.
OK, It can happen during playback!
I stopped the play and restarted play, again, and again, but there is always phase issue.
I had encountered this before, just tried to reproduce but could not (instead I encountered some loud buzzing noises, see here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3617320). Does it also happen with plugins from other vendors? Does it go away if you freeze AD2 tracks? I'm almost certain it will go away as I do encounter strange phenomena when combining certain VSTs (Kontakt Abbey Road drums, AD2) with certain plugs in the same project, like e.g. FF-MB (sometimes), WAVES Abbey Road Plates (always), WAVES IR (always), LP MB or LP MB (always - see bug report above) ... What sample rate are you using? Interestingly, it seems to be a lot more severe at 96 kHz than at 44.1 or 48 kHz...
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 08:29:56
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Ok - above was post was for 44.1 kHz. I could not get the phase issues with any compressor in a parallel bus.
Interestingly, at 96 kHz all is different - I do indeed get phasing with ALL compressors I tried (5 different vendors), all that worked @ 44.1 kHz do no longer work @ 96 kHz - and as expected all the phase issue disappear as soon as I freeze AD2 !!!
I will write a proper problem report now.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 08:51:59
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 09:50:12
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Thanks for the reply.
This is what I've got so far.
1. With Alloy2
-Addictive drums 2 + Alloy2 with multiband option -> Problematic.
-Freezed Addictive drums 2 + Alloy2 with multiband option -> Problematic.
-Addictive drums 2 + Alloy2 without multiband option -> Problematic
-Freezed Addictive drums 2 + Alloy2 without multiband option -> No problem.
So, Looks like multiband option cause the problem, and AD2 should be Freezed.
2. Without Alloy 2
-Addictive drums 2 + Waves Aphex exciter -> Problematic.
-Freezed Addcitvie drums 2 + Waves Aphex exciter -> No problem.
This time, Something's wrong with AD2.
I don't know what is wrong with this situation exactly.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 09:51:25
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FYI, I use things on 48khz sampling rate setting.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 09:53:17
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This is part of what i got from cakewalk tech support team.
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Hello Sohn,
Thanks for getting in touch with Cakewalk support.
Typically the easiest way of reducing latency is by doing the following:
Go to Edit > Preferences > Audio - Driver Settings (Options > Audio > General in legacy products)
Locate the "Buffer Size" slider and adjust it towards the left to Fast
If the Buffer Size slider is grayed out an you cannot adjust it, it is because you are using ASIO drivers. If this is the case you will need to adjust your buffer size/latency setting by going to your sound card's proprietary control panel. This can typically be done from this same menu by clicking the ASIO Panel button or by opening your device's control panel from Windows.
Ultimately, the smaller buffer size the less amount of latency you will here. If you can get your buffer size down to 10 msec or less, you probably won't notice a delay. If you start to experience distortion or audio dropouts, you may have to increase your buffer size setting for stability.
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Disappointing...
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 09:58:06
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muzdol
This is part of what i got from cakewalk tech support team.
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Hello Sohn,
Thanks for getting in touch with Cakewalk support.
Typically the easiest way of reducing latency is by doing the following:
Go to Edit > Preferences > Audio - Driver Settings (Options > Audio > General in legacy products)
Locate the "Buffer Size" slider and adjust it towards the left to Fast
If the Buffer Size slider is grayed out an you cannot adjust it, it is because you are using ASIO drivers. If this is the case you will need to adjust your buffer size/latency setting by going to your sound card's proprietary control panel. This can typically be done from this same menu by clicking the ASIO Panel button or by opening your device's control panel from Windows.
Ultimately, the smaller buffer size the less amount of latency you will here. If you can get your buffer size down to 10 msec or less, you probably won't notice a delay. If you start to experience distortion or audio dropouts, you may have to increase your buffer size setting for stability.
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Disappointing...
looks like they missed the point of your report there!
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 09:58:26
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is it only with ad2, or also with other VSTs?
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 10:23:13
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I'm out of home now, will try it!
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 11:21:52
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I tried with air strike 2.
strike 2 + waves aphex -> No problem.
Strike 2 + Alloy 2 with multiband option -> Problematic.
Strike 2 + Ally 2 without multiband option -> No problem.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 11:25:55
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All of a sudden after an update (three times in a row) things happen. 
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 12:04:24
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Wav file + alloy2 with multiband option -> problematic.
Now I think I can confirm that Alloy has a issue, and AD2 has a issue.
I guess it is Sonar's end. Maybe i'm wrong... Maybe not.....
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 14:23:54
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In the link scook referenced, this comment may be helpful:
The phase error seems always to be exactly 64 samples, so in lieu of adding some other audio track sending to the parallel bus, the phase error can be compensated by adding a 64-sample delay to the parallel bus using Channel Tools or some other sample-delay plugin.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 17:21:13
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Anderton
In the link scook referenced, this comment may be helpful:
The phase error seems always to be exactly 64 samples, so in lieu of adding some other audio track sending to the parallel bus, the phase error can be compensated by adding a 64-sample delay to the parallel bus using Channel Tools or some other sample-delay plugin.
Even if this may provide a workaround (it seems to work in the project where I had encountered the problem) that would still be unacceptable in terms of usability - who can guarantee it will be the same number in the next troublesome plugin combination? It's not that easy to determine the correct offset in #samples if it happens on a bus (waveform preview is only "sketchy" i.e. it's not possible to jump to transients and determine samples between transient peaks.) Sonar needs to handle this properly. It's part of proper PDC. If we can "fix" this by adding 64 samples delay, Sonar programmers will be able to find a solution which does it automatically.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/11 22:21:14
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64 sample trick works for me in AD2 Case.
But for alloy, it does not work, and i can not find proper sample number for trick.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/12 00:39:06
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Looks like normal track is 7~8 samples faster than alloy-ed track. I'm not sure.
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/12 02:32:43
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Would the latency for Alloy vary because it's a multieffects? Does it have lookahead?
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muzdol
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/12 02:37:59
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Alloy has zero latency menu, no help.
And i use only multiband comp in this case!
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Re: Looks like Sonar has latency reporting issue.
2017/06/12 03:02:54
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Hmmm...I think a multiband comp might have a lookahead. I don't know.
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