So I sort of know where to look to do this, but it's something I've never done before...
 
Normally when I use a VST capable of multiple outs like Omnisphere or Kontakt, instead of making use of that, I've always just used separate instances. With separate instances I know how either insert a per track effect, or make the output a specific bus with an effect on it.
 
Now I'm running into CPU issues and realizing I really need to start making use of the multiple outs, but I can't figure out how I can do multiple outs and give each one separate effects. What is the feature I'm looking for to do that? I think it's sends, but I was just messing around and I couldn't quite figure out how to do that... I could do it on the main Omnisphere Synth track, but each of the separate MIDI tracks that go with it would all get that effect. What am I missing?

Thank you!

See this. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2382979

John
See this. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2382979

wow... that is... intense haha. thanks for the link. i will definitely try it some more but after a quick attempt I was SO confused.
 
first of all it would appear I'd have to go back to the old Sonar 8.5 on back method of having a separate audio and midi track for each instrument I want to load, which is a major pain... no more simplified single Simple Instrument Tracks? Especially now that I'm working with dozens of tracks, that's going to make management a real pain... There's no easier way to do it? It seems like it would be easy to have an Omnisphere Track, then a bunch of midi tracks under it for each channel... But then you can't add effects to each one. Unless there's an easy way to do it like that... But having audio and midi track for all 8 outputs is going to get messy... especially once I get up to 16 or 32...
 

I don't use simple instrument tracks. Actually, for me the old school way is the better way. Why you may ask?  First it gives me the greatest flexibility. Second it lets me arrange my project i.e. the MIDI track, where they can be hidden once I  have converted to all audio. Because I use a CS not having tracks hanging around I don't need any more is very helpful. I can put them in a folder and close it if I want. 
 
Also a simple instrument track can only with single outputs. I use Kontakt and other multi out synths and samplers and don't want to be limited to one synth equals one out. This also applies to drums. 
 
Plus you see your situation is a problem to to you because you think in terms of instrument tracks. 
 
 
 
   

polarbear

John
See this. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2382979

wow... that is... intense haha. thanks for the link. i will definitely try it some more but after a quick attempt I was SO confused.
 
first of all it would appear I'd have to go back to the old Sonar 8.5 on back method of having a separate audio and midi track for each instrument I want to load, which is a major pain... no more simplified single Simple Instrument Tracks? Especially now that I'm working with dozens of tracks, that's going to make management a real pain... There's no easier way to do it? It seems like it would be easy to have an Omnisphere Track, then a bunch of midi tracks under it for each channel... But then you can't add effects to each one. Unless there's an easy way to do it like that... But having audio and midi track for all 8 outputs is going to get messy... especially once I get up to 16 or 32...
 

Hey Mr Bear, I'm afraid you can't have it both ways.
 
In order to have the flexibility of routing to separate audio tracks you totally forgo the option of using Simple Instrument Tracks. That's just the way it is.
 
Don't forget that Track folders are your friend here - you have the ability to show or hide multiple tracks, audio and/or midi with a single click.
 
Here's another link which may provide some useful information for setting this up.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Multiple-Instrument-Tracks-sharing-one-VST-m3415721.aspx
 
 

I am starting to realize that haha. Ugh it's rerouting my brain more than routing my tracks that's going to be the hard part haha.
 
It does seem like using track folders is going to be the thing that molds the two ways of thinking together... If I just make a folder for all the audio tracks associated with the midi and hide them in a folder and maybe pretend the midi is all there is... At least after getting routing to busses done... Oy. It's a mess haha. But you know what I just took a look at that second link and it is a much clearer, explanation. It just looks like it's time for me to step my workflow game up as much as I hate change. The funny thing is we all used to use the separate audio and midi tracks in the old days, and I stopped when Sonar introduced the instrument tracks. They tricked me into getting dumber haha.

FWIW you can use a SIT and multiple outputs.   I do that for AD2 quite often where I'll start with a SIT, and if the project seems to need it I set some of AD2's individual kit pieces to separate outs than add audio tracks whose inputs are those AD2 outs.  From that point I typically keep the stereo elements (cymbals, OH, Room) on the main SIT.  
 
I've done the same thing for KONTAKT too, though I usually have to remind myself how to add outputs after the fact since it's not quite as straightforward as AD2...    Unlike many others I actually do prefer to use SITs when I can; they've become a standard element for me.    Fortunately I haven't had any real issues, knock on wood. 
 

One further idea David, spend some time setting up as many instances of Kontakt as you need as laid out in the links provided and save it all down as a project or track template.
 
Then you'll never have to do it again and if you're anything like me, you'll promptly forget how the hell you ever put it together a few months down the line haha.

stevec
FWIW you can use a SIT and multiple outputs.   I do that for AD2 quite often where I'll start with a SIT, and if the project seems to need it I set some of AD2's individual kit pieces to separate outs than add audio tracks whose inputs are those AD2 outs.  From that point I typically keep the stereo elements (cymbals, OH, Room) on the main SIT.  
 
I've done the same thing for KONTAKT too, though I usually have to remind myself how to add outputs after the fact since it's not quite as straightforward as AD2...    Unlike many others I actually do prefer to use SITs when I can; they've become a standard element for me.    Fortunately I haven't had any real issues, knock on wood. 
 

Hmmm... OK I'm gonna have to try this later... Here's my thinking:
 
Omnisphere Simple Instrument Track
Load Piano in Channel 1, Bass in Channel 2, Guitar in Channel 3
Create 3 MIDI Tracks outputting to Omnisphere and have the channel of each be Channel 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
Make my Music.
"Oh but I want to add Guitar Rig on the guitar sound on Channel 3 without it being on all 3 sounds."
Add an Audio track, Add Guitar Rig to the FX Bin of that Audio Track, Set Omnisphere Channel 3 as the Input of that Audio Track.
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Still managed to use only one instance of Omnisphere reducing my CPU usage while still being able to add effects to only a specific instrument.
 
I don't have it up in front of me right now, so I'm not 100% that is all doable and would work, but I THINK from what you just said, that should be doable, right?

Bristol_Jonesey
 
Then you'll never have to do it again and if you're anything like me, you'll promptly forget how the hell you ever put it together a few months down the line haha.

#truth
 
haha