I respectfully disagree with using a pre-fader send except for special effects.  As far as the reverb recording, something is obviously set up in an unusual way.
 
Are you sure the reverb is being recorded?  The playback will have reverb just like the live vocal because the track is still sending to the reverb bus.  To disable the reverb, just click it off or hit E on the keyboard to disable all effects (or just turn the send down).  Maybe it is NOT being recorded.
 
In other words, the SEND will send both live and recorded voice to the reverb bus, but if you turn the reverb off, you sould be able to play the track and validate that the reverb was not recorded.

Bill - This shouldn't be complicated. The Focusrite 2i4 doesn't come with Mix Control, so I assume you are feeding the headphones with the same monitor mix that you use for playback and mixing, right? If so...

• Set up your mix the way you like it
• Create a new bus (by default it outputs to your master bus)
• Put a reverb plugin into the FX bin of the new bus; set the reverb to 100%
• On the vocal track add a send and point it to your reverb bus (careful - a new send defaults to "too hot," so turn it down); this send should not be set to "prefader"
• Arm the vocal track and enable input monitoring (speakers off!); if your mic is plugged in and routed correctly you should now be hearing your backing tracks and the vocal mic in your headphones
• You can adjust the mix -- the blend between vocal and backing track -- without affecting what gets recorded; using the faders in console view, balance it the way you want it and add some reverb on the vocal track using your new reverb send (the reverb won't be recorded, but you'll hear it in the headphones)

The latency using this technique should not be a problem except for the fussiest of vocalists. Get your buffer as low as possible and avoid using a bunch of plugins while you are tracking, as some can increase monitor latency too much.
This works for me, but of course, I work alone. I don't need separate headphone mixes as I am the producer and the singer. If you do need separate mixes, it gets a bit more complicated. Good luck!

olemon
Here's a previous thread.  I use the method described by Sacalait.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...h-reverb-m3090925.aspx

I also use this method, which specifies a pre fader send. So I guess there is more than one way to set this up successfully.


 
Here's a link to a blog post by Graham Cochrane of the recording revolution. He describes exactly the setup I use.
http://therecordingrevolu...cy-vocals-with-reverb/

mcstringer413

olemon
Here's a previous thread.  I use the method described by Sacalait.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...h-reverb-m3090925.aspx

I also use this method, which specifies a pre fader send. So I guess there is more than one way to set this up successfully.

 
A prefader send will "work," but then the amount of reverb on the voice will remain the same regardless of the level of the vocal track. It is generally preferable for the level of reverb to follow the level of the voice.

konradh
I respectfully disagree with using a pre-fader send except for special effects.  As far as the reverb recording, something is obviously set up in an unusual way.
 
Are you sure the reverb is being recorded?  The playback will have reverb just like the live vocal because the track is still sending to the reverb bus.  To disable the reverb, just click it off or hit E on the keyboard to disable all effects (or just turn the send down).  Maybe it is NOT being recorded.
 
In other words, the SEND will send both live and recorded voice to the reverb bus, but if you turn the reverb off, you sould be able to play the track and validate that the reverb was not recorded.

I'm with you on all of this, Konrad. The effects send on a track is going to send whether you are recording that track or playing it back, thus it (the effect) could seem to have been recorded.

Larry Jones
 
A prefader send will "work," but then the amount of reverb on the voice will remain the same regardless of the level of the vocal track. It is generally preferable for the level of reverb to follow the level of the voice.

OK, got it. The procedure that I was following had me mute the track I was recording, so when I used the post fader send I got no reverb at all. And I set the direct monitor adjustment on the 2i4 so that I only got as much volume as I needed from the daw's output so as to minimize any latency heard in the headphones. I used the mix control on the reverb plugin or the fader on the reverb bus to control the reverb amount.

mcstringer413

Larry Jones
 
A prefader send will "work," but then the amount of reverb on the voice will remain the same regardless of the level of the vocal track. It is generally preferable for the level of reverb to follow the level of the voice.

OK, got it. The procedure that I was following had me mute the track I was recording, so when I used the post fader send I got no reverb at all. And I set the direct monitor adjustment on the 2i4 so that I only got as much volume as I needed from the daw's output so as to minimize any latency heard in the headphones. I used the mix control on the reverb plugin or the fader on the reverb bus to control the reverb amount.

Yes, I read the Recording Revolution post linked above, and I see what you're doing. As you can see from my sig, I don't have any kind of monster rig, but I don't experience enough latency that I have to use a "zero latency" workaround with my Scarlett 6i6. I mix everything in Sonar, so post fader is the way to go. Lucky for me, because I'm not smart enough to follow the Focusrite zero latency instructions.


To Billy86 (OP), you might try simply adjusting the buffer settings and/or bitrate on your interface. You ought to be able to get the latency low enough that you can just monitor the main mix in your headphones. I find this conceptually easier.

Thanks so much for all the input and advice! I haven't been able to get back to my project (darn life gets in the way!), but I'll be armed and ready with all of this advice next time I sit down at Sonar. I'll report back on my outcome! Thanks again! Billy