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  • Looking for a way to duplicate Studio One’s "Arranger Track" functionality in Sonar...
2015/10/04 06:19:24
n13L5
Studio One's "Arranger Track" function allows you to create song sections that cut through all project tracks, allowing you to easily copy or move a bridge or refrain to another section of the song with all tracks attached and aligned.
 
I'd like to figure out how to do the same in Sonar, it would save sooo much time!
 
So I figure maybe I just didn't dig deep enough to find a way to let me do something similar in Sonar
 
 
Any suggestions would be much appreciated!
 
 
 
 
Look at the sections in this image: Intro A, Intro B, Intro C, each can be moved back or forth with a single drag operation with all tracks attached and staying aligned. Very useful...

2015/10/04 07:18:31
EyjolfurG
You would have to add marker and tempo change at begining of each section. Then select all tracks and split clips at that point. When you have finished sliceing up the whole project like that you can insert measures where where you want and move sections with cut and paste. And finaly delete the the gap afterwards.
2015/10/04 08:08:17
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
there was this a feature request thread a while ago ... you might want to vote and bump
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/An-arrange-window-m3104937.aspx
 
in there you find a few tips, like e.g. this one
2015/10/04 12:26:35
Anderton
I use Clip Groups. It's the same way Vegas moves blocks of audio and video around, so I'm very used to it. You can even insert a "dummy" clip at the top of the group and name it "chorus" or whatever. There are only three cautions:
 
  • In Preferences, under snap to grid, DON'T select snap to zero crossings because...
  • You want clean splits at precise boundaries (e.g., measures)
  • If you've already started to automate things (which probably isn't a good idea if you're still arranging the song, but whatever), don't forget to enable moving automation with clips.
 
Once the song is arranged, then I remove all clips from their Groups. 
2015/10/04 15:53:36
lawajava
Granted the Arranger concept sounds easy.

I accomplish essentially the same thing in every song I work on in Sonar Platinum with a bit of extra effort.

0. I start with a starting file where this is already set up for the most part.

1. I use Markers. Enough said, everyone gets that they help mark and navigate and more.

2. My top track in each of my songs is a MIDI track. I put a measure of 4 hi hat notes in there just to give the track a clip with data. I then copy and Paste several more of those clips on that track. I set the background color of each to a different color.

3. I record tracks for the song. When I know what set of measures is verse 1, I drag one of the clips on the first track for that span. Similar for other sections. This ends up looking like your Arranger line in the screenshot above. In Sonar, instead of a dedicated program display line, I'm using a track with colored clips. I use the Clip text edit to put the words in the clips so they say Verse 1, Chorus 1, etc.

4. Moving sections of a song from one place to another, or duplicating sections, has always been fairly easy in Sonar. Different approaches exist to accomplish that actually. I happen to use the Select By Time choice under the Edit menu. This allows me to grab a block of any of the song, and to cut it, move it, etc.

I don't feel like I'm lacking an Arranger capability in Sonar since I do this. But I agree it's not a built-in, any new user knows how to do this, feature.
2015/10/04 16:47:35
Anderton
lawajava
Moving sections of a song from one place to another, or duplicating sections, has always been fairly easy in Sonar. Different approaches exist to accomplish that actually. I happen to use the Select By Time choice under the Edit menu. This allows me to grab a block of any of the song, and to cut it, move it, etc.



This is a very good alternative to the Clip Group-based approach I mentioned when you want to work with a little more fluidity.
 
Here's a topic that's not specifically about arranging, but about one of the advantages of non-linear recording. When writing a song, I might come with a chorus first, or an instrumental hook, or the last verse. So, I often record just that section, then move down the timeline and record something else, leaving a relatively large space between the two. That makes it real easy to group all the clips and move them around during the song construction process.
2015/10/04 17:14:28
skinnybones lampshade
(Sorry! I meant to post to the feature request thread about this subject)
 
2015/10/04 23:33:18
Vastman
Pumpkinhead Pete
No need to mess with work around's, just use the real thing, the arranger track and the scratch pad in Studio One are IMO awesome, as is Studio One in general, I find I can get stuff done much quicker in the Studio One environment, and find I feel at home, and things just feel right, the way you do stuff, workflow, whatever, it just feels better, natural or something, plus it has quite a number of features that since I have become acquainted with them I really wouldn't want to be without. Only started using Studio One on release of Studio One 3 back in June or July or something I think, since then haven't really touched Sonar, just never felt the desire.  


There are many other aspects of composing and songwriting beyond an arranging system that cubase and a number of DAWs have beside Studio One, troll...
 
For example, track templates... I find them indispensable and use them on EVERY song...They are very complex and it use to take loads of time to try and recreate them in new compositions.... I can pull from 50+ customized track setups that I've created and saved and add any number of them to build a new song's structure...including templates for vocals, multiple synths, multiple Kontakt routings, effects, subs, and any mixture I find potentially useful and save as a template... they load in 5 seconds.  I can load as many as I want.   This is the most powerful feature I've ever imagined and Cakewalk has implemented it beautifully...   Studio One 3 doesn't have this... there is a LOT of frustration about this and other things that S3 lacks... I could go on and on but then again, I'd be trying to talk to someone who has only been here since yesterday and is already spewing as if they were a studio 1 employee...
 
 n13L5... I love ur hat! 
 
2015/10/05 02:07:22
Anderton
Joined yesterday, seven posts.
 
The lack of courtesy shown to the company that pays for this forum so he can promote another DAW is truly mind-boggling. 
 
SONAR users are simply a better class of people. You don't see them going into other forums and mocking other DAWs. They're probably too busy being productive and making music to spend time elsewhere.
 
2015/10/05 02:10:59
kennywtelejazz
The nonlinear approach seems to give me the most freedom …Been doing it that way for a long while …
One thing I like about it is you are not forced into rushing through trying to finish song parts in a strict time line and settling for something you know you can do better  …
All the little sections and motifs have room to breath and to develop …
May even have a couple of sections grouped in a time zone that have started out with the same parts and ingredients  I have found it is pretty easy to accentuate all the different elements by adding  parts and delete parts deliberately to be able do a side by side comparrison of what works and what doesn't work .
This type of work is best done in a safe time Zone of the project …. 
I got into this whole thing by taking test mix's of tunes I was working on and slicing them up. Even when taking an almost fully developed song that was lacking that something extra , I would always find an interesting part here and there that would help out the song depending on who you ask 
Some how that type of workflow worked its way into song projects that  i was starting from scratch   
 
Kenny
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