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2015/06/15 12:03:12
charlyg
I have heard about this and someone says it has been posted somewhere. I watched a couple of his vids, and I can relate to his teaching style. So, where is this  list of stuff to watch/read/listen to?
 
I googled Craig Anderton Sonar and I got the SOS list returned so I'm gonna take a look at the loops one now........
2015/06/15 12:35:18
Beepster
The vids I originally told you about are the X1 Advanced series he did and can be bought here...
 
https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/product.151200/language.en/currency.CAD/?id=2EY8jNzPA2
 
I recently watched through the entire series again and made a timesheet of all the contents with and without descriptions of what each section contains. This was for easy navigation and to allow other users to decide whether it was the right series for them...
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Sonar-X1-Advanced-Workshop-by-Craig-Anderton-Timesheet-and-description-of-contents-m3191641.aspx
 
They are slightly outdated but most of the stuff is still relevant. It is also called "Advanced" for a reason. It covers technique stuff as opposed to a beginners tutorial although a lot can be gleaned from them.
 
I still think for your needs the best series would be the SWA X2/X3 complete series...
 
https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/product.151201/language.en/currency.CAD/?id=2EY8jNzPA2
 
It goes on sale from time to time but for 9 hours of solid vids it's still not a bad deal at $52. I think I got it for $25 or less though. Those vids are not done by Craig. They are done by Karl.
 
And in regards to your drum looping needs (I read your latest posts in that other thread) all you have to do is this (and I don't own EZD but I'm guessing it would work the same as the other drum samplers I own).
 
1) Insert the drum synth (you can use whatever setup you want, SIT, Stereo Out + MIDI Track, All Outputs, whatever)
 
2) In the the drum sampler go to it's Grooves or Loops or whatever page has all the preprogrammed loops.
 
3) Find a loop you like.
 
4) Drag it from the drum synth's loop browser directly onto the MIDI track (not the audio output tracks... it has to be the single MIDI track that gets inserted when you insert the synth).
 
5) Now can move it around/drag it out/edit the clip in the PRV.
 
6) That is just one clip. You can keep browsing for loops in the drum synth and dragging them into the MIDI track to construct your song's drum track one section at a time.
 
7) Once you are done you can "bounce" the MIDI clips into one long clip. To do that you just select all the clips in the MIDI track > Right Click on one of the clips > Bounce to Clips. Now instead of a bunch of short clips you have one, easy to manage clip that spans your whole song.
 
Cheers.
2015/06/15 12:35:28
Kamikaze
You'd need both the concept of royalty and a royal family to give him that moniker.
2015/06/15 12:44:50
...wicked
Maybe he was knighted last time he hopped the pond?
2015/06/15 12:56:15
charlyg
Well, I am the self professed King of dumb jokes....
2015/06/15 13:25:49
Kamikaze
...wicked
Maybe he was knighted last time he hopped the pond?


Well you'd still need both the concept of royalty and a royal family to give him that moniker.
 
I have neither myself.
2015/06/15 13:34:20
charlyg
I guess my problem has been one of versions. Being a certified desktop tech on both PC and Mac thru Win7 and OSX, I certainly wouldn't go study Windows Vista or Xp to learn anything about Win7. So I am always wondering what differences there will be between X(whatever) and Platinum in the videos/lessons. It's just hard for me to believe you guys when you say it isn't an issue. It's the same personality trait that causes me to accomplish something in Sonar in the most backward way possible. My "lightbulb" is acting more like a flash bulb, but AFTER the fact!
 
Beep, I copied your post into Word and saved to my desktop for easy exploration. Thanks much.....ly
2015/06/15 14:00:17
Beepster
Cool. The the about those X1 vids is since they are a lot of actual production techniques many of them can even be applied to other DAWs (with some kernoodling).
 
However because X1 introduced the Skylight Interface and Platinum is still using it AND many of the various views or menu items (like Step Sequencer, Loop Constructor, Process menu, whatever) have not changed or have changed very little since even before the X series you can still perform the same procedures.
 
As you will see in that list I provided I noted exactly which techiniques/entries cannot be performed the same way in the newer versions (I was using X3 when I made that list which is almost exactly the same as Platinum anyway). In most cases that occurs though there are still ways to perform the function. Really the ONLY stuff that cannot be done relatively easily are the sections using the VC64 because it was removed in X3. Even then you can KIND of fake those techniques but you have to set up your own routing directly within Sonar which is can be tricky because the VC64 had a very complex routing matrix.
 
There are whole sections about converting MIDI clips into Step Sequencer Clips and SS clips into PRV Clips and doing all sorts of wacky stuff like that which can be extremely useful for working with MIDI drum loops.
 
Like say you drag a loop in from your drum sampler but want to edit it in the Step Sequncer (because it's simpler to use) you can convert the default PRV clip into an SS clip, make your edits, then change it back into a PRV clip for finer editing if you want. It shows how to "unlink" clips as well so if you have a MIDI Groove Clip/SS Clip that you want to have subtle changes added to (like maybe change the Hi Hat to a Ride and add an extra kick hit or a fill) you unlink that section from the original, make your changes and now you have your new pattern without affecting the original and of course you can now use either of the clips. Essentially you just turned one loop into two loops (or three, or ten).
 
When I first bought Sonar those vids came free and when I first watched them I had no freaking clue what the hell most it meant... but it was an interesting look at wha tthe program could do and taught me the lingo/got me used to the interface. That got me in the "Sonar mindset" and as I learned the more basic stuff there were a lot more "AHA!" moments as I made connections.
 
With that timesheet though you can do something I couldn't. Pick and choose what you need. I could only watch the whole bloody things and try to hope something stuck. Took me until this year to actually understand every little thing he was talking about.
 
Meh... just giving you a little insight on what those vids meant to me as a beginner and now as a... well whatever the fruck I am. lol
 
Keep at it.
2015/06/15 15:27:06
charlyg
Ok, So I select a guitar clip that has a flat note at the end, I pull down Regional effects, open Melodyne, and I don't get the blobs, just a flat bar. I open the Melodyne video and there is no mention of why when his opens, he sees blobs, and I don't. I JUST installed and activated so I didn't set ANYTHING. So, I try stretching things out, but it seems when track view zooms, Melodyne doesn't. I will go look for more videos but so far, SOP...they click something, I do the same thing, and we get different results.
2015/06/15 15:45:44
Karyn
You got a guitar clip with a flat note..
 
Drag the mouse over the approx area of the clip with the flat note to create a selection.  (region)
Right click the selection (region) and select region FX | Create region FX | Melodyne
Melodyne opens with the selected region, showing blobs for notes a bit like PRV.
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