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2015/05/30 13:59:05
Anderton
John T
Perhaps I'm missing something, but if you want the kind of replacement that goes "I want exactly this hit, exactly here", doesn't conventional editing do that better?



Yes and no...if you can isolate the hit, yes. But if there are other drums on the same beat, conventional editing doesn't really do the job.
 
Perhaps "replacer" is not a sufficiently descriptive word, because DR doesn't remove a drum from a file and then put another drum in its place. What I use it for is to create a separate drum track using the new sounds, or layering with an existing track to beef it up.
 
I haven't experimented with replacing hi-hats yet but I imagine that might get dicey...we'll see.
2015/05/30 14:32:40
John T
Depends on the clarity and isolation of your source material.
 
I always stick a mic on the hi-hat, though I end up using it less than about a third of the time. Like to have it just in case. Anyway, have done some experiments with some old recordings and it's not bad. Of course, what it doesn't detect is the distinction between open and closed and what have you. But you can do a lot by having an open, closed and closing "shhp" sample in the three different lanes, and switching individual transients on and off. Bit of labour involved, but you can get pretty nice results.
2015/05/30 14:38:08
Anderton
John T
Depends on the clarity and isolation of your source material.
 
I always stick a mic on the hi-hat, though I end up using it less than about a third of the time. Like to have it just in case. Anyway, have done some experiments with some old recordings and it's not bad. Of course, what it doesn't detect is the distinction between open and closed and what have you. But you can do a lot by having an open, closed and closing "shhp" sample in the three different lanes, and switching individual transients on and off. Bit of labour involved, but you can get pretty nice results.



Thanks for the tip, that makes a lot of sense.
2015/05/30 15:29:17
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
Beepster
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
Try this: ...

...So yeah, if (and only if) you get a chance I would absolutely love to hear your ideas on this...

Quick and dirty video. Not exactly "pro" quality ;). But here you go: 
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s...ficHitsRandom.mp4?dl=0
 
2015/05/30 16:15:02
Beepster
Ha! Nice one, Bill. Not exactly the workflow I was looking for but now I certainly understand what DR will do in this regard... and really you custom bent the bugger to accommodate. Love it and thanks for taking the time. The peek into the inner workings of an sfz file was brilliant too.
 
For the specific project I'm thinking of, now that I've seen it, this will certainly work for kick parts. I'm thinking I'd better go at the snare manually but seeing that workflow gave me some ideas on how to get that done a little better as far as the editing. Still 12 tracks x 2 (two unique performances) with... well a LOT of kick hits per track and likely a lot of flubs that's a lot of time saved doing it manually.
 
That flow is however really going to come in handy for any live show/demo restoration I may need to do where I'm not ripping apart every little squeak, squawk and thump meticulously and obsessively (like am with the project in question). Actually I've got a few shows/demos laying around this'll work nicely on.
 
On a side note... I'm sure you are busy with other duties within the Cake empire but man, that was a very thorough, concise and easy to understand vid... like every second of it. I nominate you for official Sonar video maker. Seriously that was brilliant.
 
Thanks again.
 
Cheers.
2015/05/30 16:50:20
arachnaut
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
 
Quick and dirty video. Not exactly "pro" quality ;). But here you go: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s...ficHitsRandom.mp4?dl=0



This is great. I got a lot out of the SFZ file creation.
 
I have an old copy of the SFZ spec that I got from Cakewalk DevXchange a while back. It doesn't look like the developer links work anymore, but I found a copy here:
 
https://github.com/ckald/...fz%20File%20Format.pdf
 
 
2015/05/30 17:45:24
sylent
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
Quick and dirty video. Not exactly "pro" quality ;). But here you go: 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s...ficHitsRandom.mp4?dl=0
 


Good job, thanks for taking the time and sharing that.
 
 
 
arachnaut
I have an old copy of the SFZ spec that I got from Cakewalk DevXchange a while back. It doesn't look like the developer links work anymore, but I found a copy here:
 
https://github.com/ckald/...fz%20File%20Format.pdf
 
 

 
Awesome, I started a hunt for this last night and got side-tracked.
Thank you
2015/05/30 19:01:28
rodreb
OK, I'm sure I've just missed something here but, here's what I'm having trouble understanding. For example.... I have live drum tracks that I recorded. I'm not happy with the sound of the kick for whatever reason and want to replace it (The kick is on it's own track BTW). Can I just replace it with a sample from Addictive Drums or whatever other sample? How do I do this? Drum Replacer is working fantastically for me using the samples that were supplied with it. I just want to be able to use other samples. I'm just not getting it. I'm sure it's probably just something I missed. 
2015/05/30 19:13:53
arachnaut
rodreb
OK, I'm sure I've just missed something here but, here's what I'm having trouble understanding. For example.... I have live drum tracks that I recorded. I'm not happy with the sound of the kick for whatever reason and want to replace it (The kick is on it's own track BTW). Can I just replace it with a sample from Addictive Drums or whatever other sample? How do I do this? Drum Replacer is working fantastically for me using the samples that were supplied with it. I just want to be able to use other samples. I'm just not getting it. I'm sure it's probably just something I missed. 




In the DR lane there is a little waveform window on the left.
Click it to open a browse menu and locate a file. Or drag the file to that window.
It has to be WAV, AIFF, SFZ, or OGG,  I think.
The AD drums are not in one of these formats, so you'd have to make your own one-shot sample from one of them.
Bill's video
       http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3230405
shows a nice example of selecting a random sample from a small set using an SFZ file that you can make with Notepad.
2015/05/30 19:52:52
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
arachnaut
It has to be WAV, AIFF, SFZ, or OGG,  I think.


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