I am posting because I did want to make an "intelligent" post on the subject in this thread:  http://forum.cakewalk.com/why-cakewalk-sonar-is-not-popular-in-award-winner-of-sound-engineers-m3211660.aspx
 
But, as usual, Karyn can see so far in the future she knows where all threads are going so she locks them up.  Karyn, you lost my respect as a follow user and forum member from the day you became a "host" or more like a 'do-not-disturb-me' monitor.   Yet, this is not why I am opening this thread...
 
I think some of the people posting in that thread fail to realize that English may not be the OP's first language or may not know it at all and resorts to some means of translation.  So, think before you disregard a poster's post.  It appears that the OP was asking questions as to why SONAR is under the radar for most others in the industry.
 
I would also like address an issue which I wanted to respond to Mr. Anderton's post, but now cannot identify it.

Mr. Anderton, I think that CW's lack of marketing, as others precisely noted, and their effort to make SONAR "the DAW for all" also contributes to its short comings.   For instance, SONAR continues to add new feature sets to attract new customers and yet none work as advertised.  The Bakers continue to plug in new features and not one is without it's bugs, and although there are many work-a-rounds, the features themselves are incomplete.  But, perhaps that is Cakewalk's marketing strategy:  Add so much more bloat to SONAR with incomplete features so users will have to continue to buy (hence, the "membership") in hopes that the new feature or any other feature will finally work as "intended."  Yeah, I could imagine the Bakers gathering around the table saying to one another, "We have a new feature idea and will bolt it on SONAR but leave it working just well enough so that we can address the fixes little by little over a long period of time and never fix it completely or just forget about fixing it leaving it broken just like we have been doing on all the other features.  This is an excellent means to having that steady stream of income from our faithful customers and, as we know, new features (complete or not) always draw in new customers.  Ah, ah, ah, ah!  This is the perfect business structure to, well, keep us in business.  After all, we made SONAR finally look neat enough to keep users and all we have to do is tweak it here and there for endless "new" versions.  Yes! Yes! Yes!  We've done it!!  He, he, he, with hands rolling one over the other"  as the rest of the attendants join in on the revelry.
 
Well, you get the jist.
 
Kind regards,
 
tecknot

Well, after all these years Protools is still seen as the leader for an Engineering DAW.
Why is anyone beating up on Sonar of this. For instance, Ableton and FL Studio are favorites in their line of use. Neither will come ahead of Sonar as an alternative for and Engineering DAW.
Steinberg holds its own as the VST standard leader. Logic has its MAC personify. We can go on to describe in many ways other platforms has cut their niche as some are dumfounded as to where lies Cakewalk Sonar's.
Is Sonar a 'jack of all trades, a master of none'  
or can Sonar conquer this centuries old cliché and become.........
A JACK OF ALL TRADES; A MASTER OF ALL 
  

I do find it troubling that some can see into the future and I cannot. :-(

She got dat magic wand

Well, in defense of Cakewalk, not everything works and they seem to know when not to flog a dead horse.  P5 died a death after I though it would, and Cake put a lot of effort into it.  But what other company tried to provide 2 separate DAWs?  Beatscape could have been a great synth (and had a bunch of first class loops) but never worked right, and seems to have morphed into the Matrix, which is a better tool. 
 
I think rather than conspiracies, Cake just cuts it losses, and we, as outsiders have no means to know what the cost/benefits are.
 
And duh about engineers - most of them primarily work w/ ProTools since it is the standard.  You can bet that if they needed $10,000 worth of hardware to run their rig at home they'd "discover" SONAR or Logic or what have you (tho I know guys that do have full rigs at home). Protools got there first, and hasn't lost it.  the reason AVID  lost market share was Apple bringing out their video editor sans hardware.  All the video and post guys already had a Mac.
 
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tecknot
I would also like address an issue which I wanted to respond to Mr. Anderton's post, but now cannot identify it.

Maybe you objected to my joke about "adult editing." At the time I was tracking the sessions in Pro Tools, envelopes were stored in separate folders, and doing crossfades was a PITA. Also all bounces had to be real time, which is bearable for a 2-minute pop song but drove me insane with 20-minute sonatas where I wanted to bounce down edits. So I took the WAVs into SONAR, and the editing was much smoother.
 
I don't think anything I said in that thread was even remotely controversial or unsupportable, but whatever.

Anderton

tecknot
I would also like address an issue which I wanted to respond to Mr. Anderton's post, but now cannot identify it.

Maybe you objected to my joke about "adult editing." At the time I was tracking the sessions in Pro Tools, envelopes were stored in separate folders, and doing crossfades was a PITA. Also all bounces had to be real time, which is bearable for a 2-minute pop song but drove me insane with 20-minute sonatas where I wanted to bounce down edits. So I took the WAVs into SONAR, and the editing was much smoother.
 
I don't think anything I said in that thread was even remotely controversial or unsupportable, but whatever.

It might have been along the lines of doing the transfer into SONAR as I do that too, a lot.  But it was something I wanted to discuss, intelligently, and I since I could not, I had enough.  But it was certainly in regards to the OP.  Well, I got a kick with my imaginative scenario above.  If I remember it, I know I can always drop you a line.
 
Kind regards,
 
tecknot

bitman
She got dat magic wand

I don't think that's a "magic wand," but *it must make her feel like a stronger woman for sure... if you know what I mean.
 
 
*Not intended as a slant toward women, just one, in particular, woman.

Hay, they all do it...Put in new, to **** the old, and the users...So...what is the point to this?....Marketing?..or making it work out of the box?....none do it...it is impossible with Windows MS at this time, as they keep changing the codex...for the matrix to work right.....wink.
 
So how can one bake a cake on or with something that needs to be fixed when baking, or there after shortly in evolving....to the next patch, bug fix or errored code in the libraries that make things gell together?
 
Not sure Cakewalk or any other third party developer can keep up with the new, and the updated updates...and such for long....and so where do the bugs come from is a mystery?....not so sure...but I have my own opinions.
 
I liked Acid DJ which was a free gift back in the hay day of Sonic Foundry....Hay this free gift, worked better than Steinberg VST 3.5-r7....no midi, but I got things done with it that Steinbergs software could not do as a DAW!
 
Word of mouth spread, and I spread my dosh into the market for....Then Sony bought it, and it went along until they added midi....And it went to a dead app soon after that...I still have hope it returns with XG and all other midi of the sort, as a standard house of cards of standard sounds one can use, without plugins....Yet XG midi died with no real support...along with that daw.
 
Now if we really look into the fold, we see capitalists, markets, and mayham...Spy vs spy...and in some trading and selling spys and sabotage is in the works....they put in the spy ware, and the sabotage, and sell it to the other of mistrust, and the ones buying it found that spy gear in place....You think this kind of underhandedness is not going to be returned into the market to make em pay for that?.....So all electronics and chips , are now being implemented with spy and sabotage ware in the chips and devices we buy.....
 
So let us stop this madness.
I know it doesn't work so well....I know I tried PT, and others...some work, some do not...some have bugs, some do not..but gain em in the long run....updates, add ons, and such are there to help us make things easier...But I say does the box have to do everything?....nah!...external gear can cut down on the load of the cpu in those machines...and other means to record help aswell back up the over all.
 
So marketing is just makeup....the pig is already in the machine..and the machine cost too much to have the headache to continually fix.
Take the head out of the box, and breath!
 
Then look at it, solve for it, and make it work right...if you can!....and stop pointing at the sheep....it is not them who make it not work....they just add it in to show you, so you can decide what you want...if it works then buy it.
 
Sonar helps others sell also....So, marketing is with Sonar and other Daws.....again not one is completely stable in doing all things!
 
So bugs...yah, and updates ...and other problems with the whole...as it is unsafe, unsound, and unsure....that is what they want....misleading people away from doing what they want to do....Make music .
Or work in the Garden not done...because of.
 
Now you can say Les you are a nut....But we all know nuts of my type...come from trees....and trees need be sown, and tended to...to have em....and the squirrels all agree....so do the bunnies!..birds, and other insectoids.....So let us reason it out...a little pain, a little suffering, and a big price tag sell little in returns if it is buggy....So, that is why the contention is as it is....Who is at fault?....MS..and the machine makers who know there are issues...but if the consumer buys it like that....THEY WILL SELL IT LIKE THAT!
 
End point putting into the N zone...scores!
 
Regards.
 
If it does not work out of the box, return it for a full refund!...should stand as standard business practice!..for dem dar marketers of the pigs with funny colours on their faces, and smell nice on the out side, but are rotten on the inside!
 
 
Just part of the truth...the hole truth, is the matrix is not connected to my mind, or hand, or heart, to want to harm...it is now in the box....and proof is in the pudding!
 
I'd say Cakewalk is doing its best, to keep it affordable!...and I like that!
 
Sir Les