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2015/05/03 05:33:42
Paul G
If you were mastering a multi-song CD in SPlat, how would you set it up?  What's your process?  Using only included plugs.  Any information on what you do and why.  Thanks much!
 
Links to other discussions on the subject would also be appreciated. 
 
Paul
2015/05/03 06:05:59
Bristol_Jonesey
I use several T-Racks modules in my mastering chain, along with a Bluecat metering plugin which conforms to the K System.
2015/05/03 11:14:33
tlw
Get the mix as near perfect as possible first, mastering is gentle final touches, not fixing major problems in balance between instruments/voice or eq. So mix into a gentle compressor on the master bus with a ratio of around 1-2 or maybe 1-4 first. Then export the stereo mixdown. Do the same with any other tracks you need to give a similar sound to (e.g. because they'll all end up on the same CD).

Wait a few days at least so the next stage can be approached with a head clear of what you were thinking when you did the mixing.

Set up a new project and import all tracks that need mastering, so each occupies a separate section of the time line. Listen to the lot. If anything strikes you as wrong go back to the mix and sort it out. Also load a reference track either one of your own that you are happy with or a commercial mix that has the kind of sound you're aiming for. Route it directly to a hardware output so it doesn't go through the master bus and use it as a comparator with your own work.

Insert onto the master bus a multiband compressor, eq, maybe a reverb with a very short tail set to almost entirely dry (can be a useful "glue"). Then a frequency analyser (Voxengo Span is good and free) and a gonomiometer to check phasing. Finally a transparent limiter to use for the final volume setting, limiter set to not allow anything louder than -0.3dB.

Set all track and bus meters to show RMS as well as peak values.

Proceed from there. There are as many approaches to mastering as there are people who do it. Reading up on Bob Katz's K system is a good idea, as is watching some of the more professional videos on Youtube (the Point Blank FFL! ones are useful). Finally, it helps if you have a decibel meter so you can set your monitors to a consistent level somewhere between 78 and 85dBA (our hearing system is easily fooled and tends to think a slight volume increase = better sounding even when it isn't).

Take lots of breaks to avoid hearing shifts and tired ears.
2015/05/03 11:29:39
Anderton
I realize you're in Florida, but if you make it to GearFest, I'm doing a workshop on mastering within a DAW and as you might expect, SONAR is what I use to demo the techniques. It will be similar to this (not much of a description, a few photos from Noel, but you'll get the idea:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Craig-Anderton-Mastering-workshop-at-AES-m2914579.aspx
 
Meanwhile, here are link to articles I've done on the subject that you might find helpful. Also note that in my Advanced Workshop video, chapters 26, 27, 28, and 30 relate to mastering.
 
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct13/articles/sonar-notes-1013.htm
http://www.soundonsound.c.../computermastering.htm
(quick overview) http://www.guitarplayer.c...ng-with-your-daw/22936
 
Some mastering-related tips:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3074655.aspx#3078594
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Fridays-Tip-of-the-Week-52-The-Final-Big-Tip-Blowout-m3074655-p2.aspx#3083144
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Fridays-Tip-of-the-Week-52-The-Final-Big-Tip-Blowout-m3074655-p3.aspx#3135395
 
I also did several videos about mastering for PreSonus. Most of them are relevant to SONAR although of course, they don't cover SONAR-specific features. Go to:
 
http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton
 
...and keep loading views until you can see all the videos. The mastering ones are the last six. Note they're in reverse order - the first video is last, the second video is next-to-last, etc. (And of course, feel free to listen to the music and hit the "like" button multiple times )
 
Here's a video of a seminar I did for PreSonus at NAMM.
 
http://youtu.be/zetHy_lDNYE
 
I'm also planning on doing an assembly-related article for Harmony Central but it hasn't been posted yet.
2015/05/03 15:53:36
Paul G
Bristol_Jonesey
I use several T-Racks modules in my mastering chain, along with a Bluecat metering plugin which conforms to the K System.


Thanks Jonesey!
 

2015/05/03 15:58:53
Paul G
tlw
Get the mix as near perfect as possible first, mastering is gentle final touches, not fixing major problems in balance between instruments/voice or eq. So mix into a gentle compressor on the master bus with a ratio of around 1-2 or maybe 1-4 first. Then export the stereo mixdown. Do the same with any other tracks you need to give a similar sound to (e.g. because they'll all end up on the same CD).

Wait a few days at least so the next stage can be approached with a head clear of what you were thinking when you did the mixing.

Set up a new project and import all tracks that need mastering, so each occupies a separate section of the time line. Listen to the lot. If anything strikes you as wrong go back to the mix and sort it out. Also load a reference track either one of your own that you are happy with or a commercial mix that has the kind of sound you're aiming for. Route it directly to a hardware output so it doesn't go through the master bus and use it as a comparator with your own work.

Insert onto the master bus a multiband compressor, eq, maybe a reverb with a very short tail set to almost entirely dry (can be a useful "glue"). Then a frequency analyser (Voxengo Span is good and free) and a gonomiometer to check phasing. Finally a transparent limiter to use for the final volume setting, limiter set to not allow anything louder than -0.3dB.

Set all track and bus meters to show RMS as well as peak values.

Proceed from there. There are as many approaches to mastering as there are people who do it. Reading up on Bob Katz's K system is a good idea, as is watching some of the more professional videos on Youtube (the Point Blank FFL! ones are useful). Finally, it helps if you have a decibel meter so you can set your monitors to a consistent level somewhere between 78 and 85dBA (our hearing system is easily fooled and tends to think a slight volume increase = better sounding even when it isn't).

Take lots of breaks to avoid hearing shifts and tired ears.

Thanks Tim!  That's what I'm looking for.  What chain guys are using Sonar.  Question, because you're not dealing with anything specific in any of the songs, I'm guessing that time sig and tempo are not relevant.
 
Paul
2015/05/03 16:05:06
Paul G
Anderton
I realize you're in Florida, but if you make it to GearFest, I'm doing a workshop on mastering within a DAW and as you might expect, SONAR is what I use to demo the techniques. It will be similar to this (not much of a description, a few photos from Noel, but you'll get the idea:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Craig-Anderton-Mastering-workshop-at-AES-m2914579.aspx
 
Meanwhile, here are link to articles I've done on the subject that you might find helpful. Also note that in my Advanced Workshop video, chapters 26, 27, 28, and 30 relate to mastering.
 
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct13/articles/sonar-notes-1013.htm
http://www.soundonsound.c.../computermastering.htm
(quick overview) http://www.guitarplayer.c...ng-with-your-daw/22936
 
Some mastering-related tips:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3074655.aspx#3078594
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Fridays-Tip-of-the-Week-52-The-Final-Big-Tip-Blowout-m3074655-p2.aspx#3083144
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Fridays-Tip-of-the-Week-52-The-Final-Big-Tip-Blowout-m3074655-p3.aspx#3135395
 
I also did several videos about mastering for PreSonus. Most of them are relevant to SONAR although of course, they don't cover SONAR-specific features. Go to:
 
http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton
 
...and keep loading views until you can see all the videos. The mastering ones are the last six. Note they're in reverse order - the first video is last, the second video is next-to-last, etc. (And of course, feel free to listen to the music and hit the "like" button multiple times )
 
Here's a video of a seminar I did for PreSonus at NAMM.
 
http://youtu.be/zetHy_lDNYE
 
I'm also planning on doing an assembly-related article for Harmony Central but it hasn't been posted yet.


Wow!  This is the second time that the great Mr. A has posted to one of my quires.  Lots of great links there!  I'll be weeks getting through all this.  Thanks Craig!
 
Paul
2015/05/03 17:00:52
Anderton
You're very welcome, always glad to help if I can.
2015/05/04 08:03:08
tlw
Time signature, key etc. are, as you say, irrelevant.

A couple of things I forgot to mention. Make sure the low frequencies are centralised, we tend not to be good at locating the source of a sound at below around 200Hz and as the frequency drops we get steadily worse. Low frequency sounds are also very prone to phasing issues. So panning low frequencies or giving them stereo width can lead to some odd results.

And if you're mastering for vinyl forget most of what I said. That has its' own peculiar requirements to do with the physical limitations of vinyl playback and is a very skilled job indeed.
2015/05/04 11:15:23
pharohoknaughty
tlw


Set up a new project and import all tracks that need mastering, so each occupies a separate section of the time line.



 
This is interesting.
 
I always stacked the tracks up and down so I could visualize them better, but your way might make it easier to do the final export, given Sonar's range export idiosyncrasies.
 
Thanks, will give it a try.
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