dubdisciple
When i have free time and if i get around to upgrading to SPLAT, I want to get around to making hip-hop friendly tutorials for modern hip-hop production. 

If you do get around to making those tutorials, share them here! I for one would be very interested.

dubdisciple
This actually works well once i remembered how to set release in Rapture.   Hmmmmm.  Although it's like using a sledgehammer to push in a thumbtack, i have to say it opens door for advanced options without having to leave plugin.  rapture may be my one-shot sampler of choice now when using Sonar.  i once thought the workflow for making trap in Sonar without using third party tools was too awkward, but I'm starting to rethink that. When i have free time and if i get around to upgrading to SPLAT, I want to get around to making hip-hop friendly tutorials for modern hip-hop production.  I have learned quickly how to be productive in modern hip hop techniques in studio one by watching a very good youtube channel and I'm not even a big fan of most of it. Some of the workarounds use don this youtube channel gave me a few ideas i could apply to sonar.  This method is not quite as clean as using fl, simpler or even sample one in studio one, but is arguably more powerful.
 
In any case, thank you.  Sonar easily has the best forum of any of the DAWs by far.

Dude, that would be such a great thing. I don't know why Cakewalk doesn't get some tutorials made for Hip-hop, EDM and more modern styles of Pop music. They would be great marketing tools and would bring in younger users. Soooo many musicians and producers either don't know about Sonar or think of it as an 'old man's DAW' that's not good for the kind of stuff they want to make.
 
Every time a new trend in popular music emerges, produce a video that shows how it can be done in Sonar. Put it up on Youtube and tag it properly so that anytime someone googles how to produce "x" type of music or "x" type of technique to get a certain sound, the sonar video comes up.
 
If they did a series of quick videos on how to duplicate modern production techniques in Sonar, using really great, authentic music that sounds like it should be on today's hot playlists, it would go a long way toward growing Sonar's user base. Combine that with Sonar's extremely low price point for entry ($10/month or so), it's an easy sell. 
 
I'd put some together if they paid me. Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to, I just can't carve out much time to do anything for free anymore.

Yes, Yes, Yes please!!!!! And I'm an old guy, but love all kinds of music..Even Herbie Hancock loves hip-hop....

samson7842

dubdisciple
This actually works well once i remembered how to set release in Rapture.   Hmmmmm.  Although it's like using a sledgehammer to push in a thumbtack, i have to say it opens door for advanced options without having to leave plugin.  rapture may be my one-shot sampler of choice now when using Sonar.  i once thought the workflow for making trap in Sonar without using third party tools was too awkward, but I'm starting to rethink that. When i have free time and if i get around to upgrading to SPLAT, I want to get around to making hip-hop friendly tutorials for modern hip-hop production.  I have learned quickly how to be productive in modern hip hop techniques in studio one by watching a very good youtube channel and I'm not even a big fan of most of it. Some of the workarounds use don this youtube channel gave me a few ideas i could apply to sonar.  This method is not quite as clean as using fl, simpler or even sample one in studio one, but is arguably more powerful.
 
In any case, thank you.  Sonar easily has the best forum of any of the DAWs by far.

Dude, that would be such a great thing. I don't know why Cakewalk doesn't get some tutorials made for Hip-hop, EDM and more modern styles of Pop music. They would be great marketing tools and would bring in younger users. Soooo many musicians and producers either don't know about Sonar or think of it as an 'old man's DAW' that's not good for the kind of stuff they want to make.
 
Every time a new trend in popular music emerges, produce a video that shows how it can be done in Sonar. Put it up on Youtube and tag it properly so that anytime someone googles how to produce "x" type of music or "x" type of technique to get a certain sound, the sonar video comes up.
 
If they did a series of quick videos on how to duplicate modern production techniques in Sonar, using really great, authentic music that sounds like it should be on today's hot playlists, it would go a long way toward growing Sonar's user base. Combine that with Sonar's extremely low price point for entry ($10/month or so), it's an easy sell. 
 
I'd put some together if they paid me. Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to, I just can't carve out much time to do anything for free anymore.

It's sad Sonar doesn't get more live in the hip-hop world, but working with kids ( and adults) deeply into it has made it clear to me why. Hip-hop is a very trendy world where producers enjoy celebrity status not afforded to most genres ( except EDM where artist and producer are often one and the same). Imitation is so common that every era of hip-hop has had fairly small subsets of tools. In late 80's it was mirage sampler, 808,909 drum machines and analog synths. Early 1990's saw rise of akai and emu samplers rivalry along with ensoniq. MPC pretty much won that round by the time 90's closed along with Yamaha workstations made popular by Neptunes. By this time computer based production gained traction. In recent years, as sample based has dipped in popularity, certain softsynths and DAWs have been dominant. FL studio went from being seen as a trance toy to arguably the most used DAW in current hip-hop. Nexus, Omnisphere, Sylenth rule among soft synths. I say all this to say that it is very hard getting them to go outside of what the top crop of producers are using, especially if you are significantly changing workflow they are accustomed to.

Sonar has tools that are very suitable for hip-hop. Rapture and Z3ta both are capable of sounds commonly used. In fact, I have used both. Unlike most DAWs, it has a step sequencer. I have concluded that one it's own it is so so for the task, but really needs piano roll to excel. I really have to try latest version of Sonar to see if midi editing has improved. I do think the workflow that a guy used on youtube for studio one can be just as effective on sonar. I will work on it

Primetime
Yes, Yes, Yes please!!!!! And I'm an old guy, but love all kinds of music..Even Herbie Hancock loves hip-hop....

Definitely will share. I'm no spring chicken either but work with kids so i stay updated. One thing i have learned is that i can introduce kids to any genre of music by incorporating it into their hip-hop production. Most laymen are unaware, but much of current styles are based in Phrygian and Dorian modes. Kids in my studio have been studying modal music as inspiration.

I have to say that FruityLoops' step sequencer combined with its "one sample per track" drag n drop system is incredibly fast and elegant. And the way you can paint patterns or subsets of patterns. It's easy to build a good loop and also easy to map out the structure of a song based on parts of that loop. All of these things are more or less possible in Sonar but generally take way more steps.

I think what gets lost in the shuffle at times is that creators want to make music and spend less time working. FL's simple sampler feature is perfect for drums and transitioning to piano roll is simple for more elaborate editing. It just suffers in other areas when doing genres outside of hip-hop and EDM. I think integration of a sampler with the step sequencer would work wonders.

Don't forget to drop a line in the Software forum when you finish your tutorial/s.


http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3641750

mudgel
Don't forget to drop a line in the Software forum when you finish your tutorial/s.


http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3641750

Will do. Might be a bit while i figure it out.

This type of request is one of the reasons I started this thread a while back, b/c I know there are ppl out there that are looking for this type of thing.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Sonar-really-needs-a-sampler-m3499083.aspx
 
It was a polarizing topic, but ultimately I think it did show that there are ppl looking for this type of stuff and that there may be a need for Sonar to be better represented on the hip-hop/edm/electronic side of things. 
 
As far as 808 glides, the Rapture solution is a decent one, but I don't like the lack of waveform editing to edit and trim samples if needed.  Also the glide behavior in Rapture is a bit different than Glide/Portamento in something like Simpler or Kontakt, so sometimes you have to also use some pitch automation/modulation to get certain desired effects.  There is a lot of potential there though. If they could add waveform editing and maybe an alternate portamento mode to compliment the current "glide" mode like Simpler/Sampler does, that alone could go a very long way in answering the on-board/stock sampler question.  Of course, there's more complex functions like time stretching, slicing, etc. that one would look for in a sampler, but it's a start.