Honestly I'm not quite sure how you are even doing that because I've had moments where I was TRYING to perform that function and had to take a minute to figure it out. I think it requires a double click or something by default. Maybe your mouse is double triggering or you changed a setting in preferences.
 
Anyway... the simplest solution is just not click in the lower half of the clip if that is what is happening. For selections, moving, etc I just click in the header bar of the clip because that's what it's there for. For range selection I think it's the top half.
 
Personally I find the smart tool and ST clip hotspots to be a little busy for my liking and if I'm really trying to do something specific and the ST is annoying me I just switch tools BUT it is simple enough to get a decent workflow going with the ST IF you remember all the hotspots. It is helpful to keep a post it note around that describes all the hotspots and functions of the smart tool. Then you can just give it a quick look if something is giving you a hard time.
 
The other thing that helps is dragging out the lane a bit and zooming in so all those hotspots aren't so bunched up.
 
BTW toggling tools doesn't add a whole lot of extra effort. I used to do it all the time for intensive PRV editing (which was a LOT of repetitions of the same action) and it really wasn't much of a burden once I got into the flow of it. It's just like an instrument. The more you do it the easier it gets.

And sorry for the threadjack there Beags (I was actually just popping in to see what you were up to). I figure you got your answer though so our little sidebar isn't doing too much damage.
 
Cheers.

no problem, guys.  this is a legitimate concern for orhanproject, so I split his part of the thread.  that way it's no longer in the same thread as mine that says "solved" and it can be discussed separately.
 
 

Beagle
no problem, guys.  this is a legitimate concern for orhanproject, so I split his part of the thread.  that way it's no longer in the same thread as mine that says "solved" and it can be discussed separately.
 
 

Thanks Beagle :)

Beepster
Honestly I'm not quite sure how you are even doing that because I've had moments where I was TRYING to perform that function and had to take a minute to figure it out. I think it requires a double click or something by default. Maybe your mouse is double triggering or you changed a setting in preferences.
 
Anyway... the simplest solution is just not click in the lower half of the clip if that is what is happening. For selections, moving, etc I just click in the header bar of the clip because that's what it's there for. For range selection I think it's the top half.
 
Personally I find the smart tool and ST clip hotspots to be a little busy for my liking and if I'm really trying to do something specific and the ST is annoying me I just switch tools BUT it is simple enough to get a decent workflow going with the ST IF you remember all the hotspots. It is helpful to keep a post it note around that describes all the hotspots and functions of the smart tool. Then you can just give it a quick look if something is giving you a hard time.
 
The other thing that helps is dragging out the lane a bit and zooming in so all those hotspots aren't so bunched up.
 
BTW toggling tools doesn't add a whole lot of extra effort. I used to do it all the time for intensive PRV editing (which was a LOT of repetitions of the same action) and it really wasn't much of a burden once I got into the flow of it. It's just like an instrument. The more you do it the easier it gets.

Thanks for the reply Beepster

No double clicking or double triggering, i got a normal mouse, nothing fancy...

since the track layers got introduced back then, i liked them alot and got in to the habit of using many layers (todays take lanes) on many tracks and pretty much on every project, i simply loved the idea and simplicity of having secondary midi/audio recording layers with some variations and just clip mute them and have them all live there, the ones i didnt like or didnt fit to the overall track i simply clip muted the clip(s), and had them there in case I change my mind when carving the song... so in this workflow i got used to I could click on lower part of midi/audio clips without muting the rest of the track layers and it was a safe environment...
(If you ask why I would like to click anywhere , well thats how I set the playhead (now time) This still works but yepp, i might happen to click on a lower part of a midi/audio clip by accident while trying to set the playhead and not noticing that rest of the takelanes got muted. Even when I have all takelanes on tracks open this accident is easy happening...)

This changed when track layers became track take lanes and when the speed comping with "click on midi/audio lower part mute rest of take lanes" funtionality came along with it, my well got used to workflow got in big trouble...

If i would work with only tracks and no take lanes then there is no issue, but take lanes are very important to me. I might be the one of few that uses so many take lanes so this is so troublesome for me and not for other...

Right now, there is 2 ways to solo/mute midi/audio clips

Nr 1 = click on lower part of a midi/audio clip solos the clip and mutes the rest of take lanes
Nr 2 = select a midi/audio clip and hit K (clip mute)

I like Nr 2, no one click accidents here, you select first then hit K (shortcut)


"the simplest solution is just not click in the lower half of the clip "

Saying that is easy but doing and braking an old habbit is very hard... I tried, still trying... But this one beats me...


I used to hide the clip headerbar and use the "maximize audio waveform something" dont remember the correct name. The one that hides the header bar and looks like sonar 8.5 clip mode.. With only the midi/audio text showing on the clips...

All i want is an option to have this switchable when needed, or only work when comping mode is avtive and not other wise....just one more option for the user...

Unfortunately the Smart Tool is not user customizable nor are the hotspots at this point and I feel ya in regards to figuring out what's gonna do what and where with that wacky thing but with a little patience it does all make sense. I used to really hate the Smart Tool because of how it is constantly changing modes so I would just say "Screw it!" and switch to other tools or editing modes. The more I use these things though and get used to what's what it is getting a lot easier and does make a lot of sense.
 
I was used to a REALLY old school DAW before hopping in with X1 which AFAIK was when they introduced the Smart Tool and it was really disorienting. Over the past few versions it seems they altered its functionality even further and this is part of the reason why I often joke that working in Sonar is like trying to fly a helicopter. It's awesome but can be extremely complex and confusing at times.
 
Like I said I keep some post it's around on my desk with some of the functions I use on a regular basis. The one I currently refer to quite often is my cheat sheet for comping but there is also a Smart Tool one for in the Clips Pane. I really need to update that one though or add some extra post its for the PRV, Audiosnap and various other sections of the program.
 
Still though if I forget something and don't want to look it up I just press T and engage a less schizophrenic tool to do what I need. No biggie and if you are an 8.5 migrant then that should be even easier for you (I had never used Sonar before X1 and kind of sucked at DAWs and computers in general so imagine the sheer learning curve I had to deal with... lol).
 
Anyway... easiest solution... just don't click the bottom half of the clip. There are five general hotspots on a clip.
 
The header (that bar at the top of the clip)
The top half of a clip
The bottom half of a clip
The left edge of a clip
The right edge of a clip
 
From there the right and left edges have their own hotspots which still trip me up and are a pain to access unless zoomed in vertically but they do all sorts of crazy stuff from cropping, fades, proportional cropping, time stretching, blah blah blah.
 
Seriously the left and right edges are the ones that annoy me more than anything but I get by.
 
Cheers.

And a slightly different set if you're working with midi notes in the prv

The big problem for me is that the UI doesn't display what you are hearing as you would expect it, check the below thread for instance. If you decide to read it please read it carefully it might be a little difficult to grasp and jump to some obvious conclusions, I spent a lot of time clarifying it:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/When-auditioning-takelanes-SOLO-buttons-are-not-being-displayed-m2956846.aspx#2956846
 
In that thread I make a suggestion as to what should happen, and it would clear up confusion/misclicking pretty quickly... The audible audio behavior of takelanes would not change, visual however the user would better understand what is actually going on.
 
BTW it's not mute that's going on, it's SOLO.

Haven't read every sentence in the thread, but I don't see the word "Smart" anywhere so...
 
The Comp Tool function is unrelated to the Comping record mode. It's a mode of the Smart and Edit tools. It's easily avoided by staying away from the lower half of the clip when using the Smart tool, but if that's not possible, just select the specific tool you want to use instead of using the Smart tool.

orhanproject

Thanks for the reply Beepster

No double clicking or double triggering, i got a normal mouse, nothing fancy...

since the track layers got introduced back then, i liked them alot and got in to the habit of using many layers (todays take lanes) on many tracks and pretty much on every project, i simply loved the idea and simplicity of having secondary midi/audio recording layers with some variations and just clip mute them and have them all live there, the ones i didnt like or didnt fit to the overall track i simply clip muted the clip(s), and had them there in case I change my mind when carving the song... so in this workflow i got used to I could click on lower part of midi/audio clips without muting the rest of the track layers and it was a safe environment...
(If you ask why I would like to click anywhere , well thats how I set the playhead (now time) This still works but yepp, i might happen to click on a lower part of a midi/audio clip by accident while trying to set the playhead and not noticing that rest of the takelanes got muted. Even when I have all takelanes on tracks open this accident is easy happening...)

This changed when track layers became track take lanes and when the speed comping with "click on midi/audio lower part mute rest of take lanes" funtionality came along with it, my well got used to workflow got in big trouble...

If i would work with only tracks and no take lanes then there is no issue, but take lanes are very important to me. I might be the one of few that uses so many take lanes so this is so troublesome for me and not for other...

All i want is an option to have this switchable when needed, or only work when comping mode is avtive and not other wise....just one more option for the user...

 
I agree 100%, having the comping tool as an option to work within "take lanes" would actually help bridge the gap beetween what was, and STILL IS great about "layers", and what's good about take lanes. What I find really annoying is by making it ALWAYS THERE the whole workflow is geared toward one thing only : comping! This is very restrictive. Like you, I was using layers for so many other things than comping. No other software offers the flexibility that layers used to provide to us while in the creative process. Seems a lot of people missed out on what was cool with layers, I keep switching beetween x3 and 8.5 for that very reason, and it is completely and utterly re-tar-ded. This is a bit closed minded on cakewalk's side I'm sad to say