Kev999
As an alternative, maybe CW should introduce a new Console View (in addition to the existing one) that displays tracks and buses merged together and can be reordered without affecting the order in Track View and normal Console View.  Just an idea.
 

Hi Kev999,
Funny you should mention:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Rethink-the-Bus-Pane-concept-and-allow-moving-Busses-into-the-Track-Pane-area-m3151211.aspx
 
Vote on it (and check out my humble contribution to that thread)
 
Dean

Hmmm. I guess I am just used to doing things a certain way. I like the way busses are right now. I'm with Karyn on this one. But I see a lot of people want to merge busses and track, blurring the distinction between the two. Perhaps if I think about it hard enough I might see value in that.

But if in a later update this happens, I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as I could still have it the way it is now as an option.

just free up the routing.
allow tracks to receive input from other tracks and allow buses to output to tracks.
 
from a GUI perspective it would allow you to place the tracks and buses in the same folder in track view and buses next to tracks in console view. Sometimes projects can get pretty big and this wold really help with managing the project especially at record (tracking) and mix level.

One advantage would be to record the track acting like a bus with out having a bus it out and back thru the interface.
Cool idea!
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I just bounce to track. I am trying hard to understand what is so cool here. Bouncing to track or bus gets me this.

Mixing busses with tracks would make it harder for me to find my busses. To each their own though. It's never bad to have options. I just don't see how bouncing is any different than this routing trick.

But great that you are doing something you like.

BJN
One advantage would be to record the track acting like a bus with out having a bus it out and back thru the interface.
Cool idea!
 
 
 
 
 
 
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You mean like bouncing a submix to a new track? You never have to leave the interface doing that either and you still get your submix.

I guess if you change the balance of the submix you would have to re-bounce and that could possibly become tiresome if you work that way.

But in that case, I would just use a buss the way they are now. I suppose if I was bent on having busses next to my tracks I would see what is so exciting. But since I like my busses separate for organizing, I am not as excited as others are about that.

I can see that it is just a matter of personal work flow. Some like this, some like that. No right or wrong, just taste. That's cool.

Hi Sylvan,
Yeah, it's really just a matter of preference for me. For example, right now I'm recording a Marshall with a 57 on the grill and an R84 about 18 inches away. It'd be really nice to route those to a track that sits right next to the tracks the clips are on and then put FX on that track. Now, functionally this isn't any different at all from routing those to a bus (and possibly bouncing), I just like the look and organization of it being right next to the tracks instead of in the bus section. From there I would take each of the multi-mic'd destination guitar tracks (because of course there's more than one guitar part) and route them all to a "E.Git" bus in the bus section. Same theory could apply to top and bottom snare mics, inside/outside kick mics etc.
 
I think the right idea here is to have buses and tracks go to the current mixer sections by default, but then allow them to be moved. That way folks who like things as-is aren't disrupted at all, but if you want to move things you can.
 
In any case, I think you're correct from a purely functional standpoint...you can do this stuff with busses currently, it's just a look/feel thing.
 
Dean

Well said Dean. I totally get it. It's truly just a personal preference thing. I wish you good times recording, editing, mixing, and mastering with SONAR.

I think the reason I really chimed in on this topic is because I was thinking of new or prospective SONAR users getting the wrong idea, that one cannot create submixes. A new or prospective user might be confused with someone's personal preference and core functionality. Busses work just fine, but you cannot set them right next to your tracks. That's all this boils down to in the end.

You know how easy misunderstandings can happen. Have a great evening 😊.

Razorwit

Kev999
As an alternative, maybe CW should introduce a new Console View (in addition to the existing one) that displays tracks and buses merged together and can be reordered without affecting the order in Track View and normal Console View.  Just an idea.

 
Hi Kev999,
Funny you should mention:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Rethink-the-Bus-Pane-concept-and-allow-moving-Busses-into-the-Track-Pane-area-m3151211.aspx

 
I've re-posted the above idea in the Features forum. But I was only intending for it to apply to Console View, not Track View.