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  • BSOD's with EMU 1616m PCI in Windows 7 64-bit (p.7)
2011/09/22 03:44:16
Freddie H
You know... the problem you referring to don't need to be EMU audio card,

I think you have probelms with you MEMORY and it has nothing to do with E-MU card.. I don't know but I bet you use overclock memory mode, right?

Corsair...kingston.... are I'm wrong...?
No... I thought so... If that is so-----> there is you main problem. Set the MEMORY in default SPEED in BIOS and you problems will go away..
 
And listen... even if you do LINUX MEMORY TEST during PRE BOOT it still can fail in Windows. You MEMORY can also be damage too so that make it fail if you don't have OVERCLOCK your self the MEMORY. Check so you MEMORY isn't OVERCLOCK. Sometimes you think you have bought 1600 mhz Memory but they are just factory overclocked to 1600 mhz but the memory are only still 1333 mhz speed MEMORY. Very common in Corsair.

Best Regards
Freddie
2011/09/22 05:48:50
Spencil Splodge
Hi,

Thanks for your input Freddie...

However, the memory is not the issue.  It is not overclocked, it has been tested thoroughly using a variety of tests over lengthy periods and the speed is at the default.

Memory issues will cause BSOD's with anything, no doubt, but exactly the same issue (same BSOD in same driver file) with a particular interaction with a driver which is totally reproducible over and over is more likely to be a driver sensitivity to a particular configuration (or a bug as they are known ).

NOTE: I may have found a solution to this issue which I'll post latter this evening if my testing shows continued success.

Thanks!
2011/09/23 05:21:27
Spencil Splodge
 
I tried repeated testing over a couple days - seriously hammering the REC arm/disarm and input echo buttons like a complete idiot - no BSOD's at all...
 
Then, yesterday evening I give it some more testing and boom - a BSOD. Try it again this morning, and once again a BSOD.
 
Sorry if I got anyones hopes up about this, I was hopeful too, and I'm not even sure why it was so stable for a couple of days either... did I improve anything? I don't know. All I know is I could not make a BSOD happen for the first couple of days, no matter what I did - and I don't even know why this was.
 
The changes were to disable EIST (Speed Step), C1E, C3 and C6 power states in the BIOS. I also have core parking disabled in the OS but the BIOS changes overrule this anyhow. Keep in mind your computer will run slightly hotter when idle and will consume more power. I did also try turning off Turbo Boost technology for the hell of it, to no avail. On the plus side these changes improved latency slightly - or maybe everything is just a placebo for me these days!??

Some background info:
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Disabling core parking in the OS:
 
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Feel free to give these changes a go and post your results.
2011/09/23 08:30:11
drumr
If you've not yet visited this site, you should. May find a solution from the help here.

http://www.productionforums.com/viewforum.php?f=36
2011/09/23 10:29:56
Spencil Splodge
Thanks for the link drumr - I'm already posting on this site and trying to extract any help I can from it.  Mine is the latest 'BSOD' thread in 'EMU 1616M' stuff ;)
2011/09/23 10:57:23
drumr
The response time is slow there, but you will eventually here back. Good luck!
2011/09/23 10:59:41
brundlefly
I tried repeated testing over a couple days - seriously hammering the REC arm/disarm and input echo buttons like a complete idiot - no BSOD's at all...   Then, yesterday evening I give it some more testing and boom - a BSOD.



I had the same experience with the "Disable Exclusive Mode" tweak. I could not crash it deliberately with the Arm or Input Echo buttons, and then it went down suddenly last night when inserting a soft synth. 


This is pretty much how this issue has always been for me... very unpredictable. It's often related to Input state changes that would obviously involve calling the interface driver, but then it will happen doing something seemingly unrelated. But it's always ha10kx2k.sys - the Creative/E-MU driver.


FWIW, I spent some time browsing the ProductionForums site about this a long time ago, and the only thing I came up with that I hadn't tried was the full uninstall/reinstall.


Looking hard at buying a MOTU 8Pre or the new Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL. Both have the ADAT input I need.



2011/09/23 12:01:03
Duojet
Spencil, have you tried disabling the HDMI audio in the bios for the i7 processor, and any other on board audio? Also, make sure windows sound is set to the same sample rate as the EMU. Personally, I use the "no sounds" configuration in the windows sounds dialog.

I would also try reaper or any other demo of an alternative daw to see if it's a sonar issue, a windows issue, or an EMU issue.
2011/09/24 12:16:03
Freddie H
brundlefly



I tried repeated testing over a couple days - seriously hammering the REC arm/disarm and input echo buttons like a complete idiot - no BSOD's at all...   Then, yesterday evening I give it some more testing and boom - a BSOD.




Looking hard at buying a MOTU 8Pre or the new Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL. Both have the ADAT input I need.
...oh Lord... Good Luck with MOTU crash heaven.. Those products are not even near E-MU Audio interface..Totally different category "Home studio" products.
 
 
Great things always cost money. EMU 1616M-series are great choice., the best converters in the world for nothing..... If you still don't like it and want the same quality range and gear you should check out following products.
 
 
 
E-MU 1616M
http://www.creative.com/emu/products/product.aspx?category=505&pid=19007 
    
  
 
Focusrite Rednet Series
 
http://www.focusrite.com/products/audio_interfaces/rednet_2/
 
 
Lynx
 
http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=1
 
 
Apogee
http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/rosetta-series.php 
  
  
 
RME (weakest in this class..has not as so good converters as the rest)
 
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ufx.php
 
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_800.php
 
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdspe_aio.php
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Check price tag...You will see you get a lot of hardware choosing E-MU 1616M

2011/09/24 13:35:18
brundlefly
...oh Lord... Good Luck with MOTU crash heaven.. Those products are not even near E-MU Audio interface..Totally different category "Home studio" products.



Thanks for the warning, Freddie. I've been reading up, and it does seem that MOTU has had driver issues of its own, including BSODs.


Would love to go RME Multiface with a PCIe card, but can't bring myself to shell out. Surprised to hear their converters are not up to snuff at that price point.


Guess I'll keep researching. If I do go MOTU, I've figured out the 828 mkII or mk3 Hybrid (both USB and Firewire) is probably the way to go in terms of the I/O I need.




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