• SONAR
  • No notation fixes! (p.50)
2015/04/21 19:43:10
DRanck
And looking at the Digital Performer site, I found this:
Accurate real-time MIDI transcription

If the notation display looks like a train wreck because it wasn't recorded to the metronome, DP's Adjust Beats feature lets you graphically drag beats and barlines to line them up with MIDI note data - without changing how it plays back. The result? Readable notation and time rulers that match your music

 
That is exactly what I'd like to see in Sonar. Just saying.
2015/04/22 00:17:32
Kamikaze
mudgel
I would be interested to know how many different posters have contributed to these 440 posts.



I counted back on page 5 when the same question was asked, it was 31 back then. 
 
Around the same time I counted 150 users over various threads. Listed in this post.
http://forum.cakewalk.com...The-Bugs-m3152858.aspx
 
 
2015/04/22 00:20:16
Kamikaze
Feature requests
A large Staff View feature list http://forum.cakewalk.com...ure-list-m3160841.aspx
Staff View - Fix The Bugs http://forum.cakewalk.com...The-Bugs-m3152858.aspx
Staff View - Note Durations http://forum.cakewalk.com...urations-m3152870.aspx
Staff View - Track Name Word Wrapping http://forum.cakewalk.com...Wrapping-m3153329.aspx
Staff View - MIDI Controllers http://forum.cakewalk.com...trollers-m3152861.aspx
Convert staff straight time notes to show 'swing time' http://forum.cakewalk.com...ing-time-m3153444.aspx
Staff View - Ledger Lines / 8va Notation http://forum.cakewalk.com...Notation-m3153326.aspx
Staff View - Separate Duration from Snap http://forum.cakewalk.com...rom-Snap-m3153472.aspx
Staff View - Click and Drag Note Durations http://forum.cakewalk.com...urations-m3153340.aspx
Staff View - note duration icons. http://forum.cakewalk.com...on-icons-m3152971.aspx
Staff View - Triplet handling http://forum.cakewalk.com...handling-m3152863.aspx
Please fix Staff View and Take Lanes http://forum.cakewalk.com...ke-Lanes-m3159804.aspx
Piano View and Staff View in the same Window http://forum.cakewalk.com...e-Window-m3153522.aspx
Some simple but efficient improvements for the staff view http://forum.cakewalk.com...aff-view-m3162853.aspx
License a notation editor http://forum.cakewalk.com...n-editor-m3181452.aspx
2015/04/22 13:52:16
Dan_E10
jsg
I just bought Digital Performer 8 for Windows.  I'm moving on, after 22 years with Sonar I have lost faith in the company in terms of their notation editor.  Too many versions with no fixes, too many "we'll get to that in the next version".  It's like the boy who cries wolf, at some point you simply stop believing him.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com




I'm sorry to hear this.  I've been searching the forums to try to help me get my head around some issues I'm having with the staff view.  Jerry's many posts with tips and workarounds for Sonar's staff view have been really useful.  Hearing some of the amazing music he's put together with the SV has been inspiring.  Best of luck to you Jerry!
Dan
2015/04/22 14:21:14
pbognar
jsg
I just bought Digital Performer 8 for Windows.  I'm moving on, after 22 years with Sonar I have lost faith in the company in terms of their notation editor.  Too many versions with no fixes, too many "we'll get to that in the next version".  It's like the boy who cries wolf, at some point you simply stop believing him.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com




Jerry,
 
Let me echo the sentiments from Brando and Dan_E10.  As the most knowledgeable SV user and advocate, you will be sorely missed.  Hopefully you will remain a member of the forum for those who need a hand.
 
I assume you overcame the MIDI playback and notation layout issues you first reported with DP8.
 
Best of luck to you.
2015/04/22 14:35:43
cparmerlee
DP notation is integrated with the DAW.  Avid is talking about Sibelius 8 being more integrated with Protools.  Yamaha/Steinberg is hard at work with the Spreadbury project which surely will tie their premiere notation tightly with the Cubase.
 
Cakewalk and Finale are looking like the two odd men out.  One would think there would be people with enough vision at both of those companies to want to really work together on a next generation solution.  It will not be long before excellent notation is considered a basic requirement for any leading DAW.
2015/04/22 16:29:21
pbognar
cparmerlee
DP notation is integrated with the DAW.  Avid is talking about Sibelius 8 being more integrated with Protools.  Yamaha/Steinberg is hard at work with the Spreadbury project which surely will tie their premiere notation tightly with the Cubase.
 
Cakewalk and Finale are looking like the two odd men out.  One would think there would be people with enough vision at both of those companies to want to really work together on a next generation solution.  It will not be long before excellent notation is considered a basic requirement for any leading DAW.




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If the the triplet limitations were resolved, that would go a long way for me:
 
The Staff view places certain limitations on the use of triplets. The limitations are:
  • Triplets must occur in full sets of three.
  • All three steps in a triplet must be notes (no rests) of the same basic duration.
  • There can be no ties in or out of, or within the triplet.
Triplets are common in music.  Other tuplets would be nice, but, I figure that is asking a bit much.
 
If MIDI data could be exported to a notation specific program, for publishing, I don't see the need to include "premier notation" within Sonar.
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Ultimately, as we have seen, people will vote for products with their wallets or hold out hope, for years in some cases.
 
 
 
2015/04/22 17:07:45
Jon Bryson
jsg
I just bought Digital Performer 8 for Windows.  I'm moving on, after 22 years with Sonar I have lost faith in the company in terms of their notation editor.  Too many versions with no fixes, too many "we'll get to that in the next version".  It's like the boy who cries wolf, at some point you simply stop believing him.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com


Sorry to see you go Jerry, but certainly understand.  Your tips and advice have been invaluable to me.
Best of luck with DP!
Jon
2015/04/22 17:35:11
Paul P
cparmerlee
DP notation is integrated with the DAW.  Avid is talking about Sibelius 8 being more integrated with Protools.  Yamaha/Steinberg is hard at work with the Spreadbury project which surely will tie their premiere notation tightly with the Cubase.



With the above happening and Sonar being so close to being really useful, you'd think Cakewalk would be scrambling to attract the notation customers before the others get them.  I hope they are.
 
2015/04/22 17:46:51
vintagevibe
Paul P
cparmerlee
DP notation is integrated with the DAW.  Avid is talking about Sibelius 8 being more integrated with Protools.  Yamaha/Steinberg is hard at work with the Spreadbury project which surely will tie their premiere notation tightly with the Cubase.



With the above happening and Sonar being so close to being really useful, you'd think Cakewalk would be scrambling to attract the notation customers before the others get them.  I hope they are.
 



They are not.
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