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Staff View - Fix The Bugs
Please fix the verified and reproducible bugs posted to the Problem Reports forum. Especially the ones related to snap.
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Staff View - Fix The Pointer Jump Bug
2015/01/20 12:35:43
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When a note is above or below the stave, depending on the distance from the stave and the zoom factor, right clicking on the note causes the mouse cursor to move off the note slightly so that when the mouse button is released the view context menu shows up instead of the note edit dialog.
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/01/20 13:11:26
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TomHelvey
Please fix the verified and reproducible bugs posted to the Problem Reports forum. Especially the ones related to snap.
I second that request.
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/01/20 13:59:08
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Pointer Jump Bug
2015/01/20 14:14:11
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+1 or more. 
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 14:36:49
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Please if there must be a "fix the staff bugs" thread in the "Features and Ideas" forum, only make one of them. Fixing bugs is a good idea but is not really appropriate for this forum.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 14:45:24
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Please if there must be a "fix the staff bugs" thread in the "Features and Ideas" forum, only make one of them. Fixing bugs is a good idea but is not really appropriate for this forum.
Well, where is the "right" place? Calling tech support? Writing to them? Filling out the problem reporter? All those things are done and the bugs still do not get fixed.
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Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 14:48:17
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Please fix the bugs in the staff view:
1. Choose a 16th note and enter it on the staff. Now choose a half-note and do the same. Notice how the snap gets stuck on the smallest note value used thus far instead of following whichever note value is chosen.
2. The staff view track pane instrument order gets jumbled whenever a screenset is chosen that doesn't involve the staff view, going back to the staff view means the instruments are out order in the track pane.
3. It is really hard to use right click to call up note properties when a note is on below the bottom staff line or on a ledger line below the staff.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 14:52:35
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jsg
Well, where is the "right" place? Calling tech support? Writing to them? Filling out the problem reporter? All those things are done and the bugs still do not get fixed.
Features and Ideas is for NEW features and idea. Requesting bug fixes is neither. There are appropriate avenues to report problems and it would appear that you know them. There is Problem Reports forum too. I understand your frustration but flooding the forum is not going to help your cause.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 15:05:49
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☄ Helpfulby MArwood 2015/05/05 15:00:30
scook
jsg
Well, where is the "right" place? Calling tech support? Writing to them? Filling out the problem reporter? All those things are done and the bugs still do not get fixed.
Features and Ideas is for NEW features and idea. Requesting bug fixes is neither. There are appropriate avenues to report problems and it would appear that you know them. There is Problem Reports forum too. I understand your frustration but flooding the forum is not going to help your cause.
"Flooding the Forum"? With one post on this forum? Actually, fixing the bugs in the staff view IS a new idea because it's never been done before ;>)
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 22:53:34
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jsg
1. Choose a 16th note and enter it on the staff. Now choose a half-note and do the same. Notice how the snap gets stuck on the smallest note value used thus far instead of following whichever note value is chosen.
I'm a bit skeptical of doing this because you may want to start a half note at 1:720. I think the only way this could work correctly is to separate note duration from the snap setting. See: http://forum.cakewalk.com...rom-Snap-m3153472.aspx
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/20 23:24:02
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/20 23:14:10
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jsg
Well, where is the "right" place? Calling tech support? Writing to them? Filling out the problem reporter? All those things are done and the bugs still do not get fixed.
Features and Ideas is for NEW features and idea. Requesting bug fixes is neither. There are appropriate avenues to report problems and it would appear that you know them. There is Problem Reports forum too. I understand your frustration but flooding the forum is not going to help your cause.
Seemed to me that Seth said to put them here. In the Fix Notation thread.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/21 07:37:26
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/21 07:52:38
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To VOTE, click on the 5 stars on the first post.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/21 12:48:00
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jsg
1. Choose a 16th note and enter it on the staff. Now choose a half-note and do the same. Notice how the snap gets stuck on the smallest note value used thus far instead of following whichever note value is chosen.
I'm a bit skeptical of doing this because you may want to start a half note at 1:720. I think the only way this could work correctly is to separate note duration from the snap setting.
See: http://forum.cakewalk.com...rom-Snap-m3153472.aspx
Tom, that's the way the staff view snap worked for many years, until X1. If you want to start a note on a weak part of the beat, use a smaller note value and change it. Or use the step entry method. Or ask CW to have an option to set note duration separate from snap, which they probably won't do because they won't even fix the current bugs.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/21 14:19:51
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Excellent list, scoot!
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P.S. Yeah, I know who you are.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/22 02:51:03
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Many DAW's are really ramping up on Notation features. Steinberg has hired ex sibelius team members, Presonus has bought Notion, Reaper is getting notation view, and is very receptive to feature requests. It seems though, with regards to the Cakewalk team, we have a chicken egg problem.
Features lacking here means less notation composers. (Untapped market)
Less notation composers means the team don't consider this a priority.
Millions of youths around the world have classical music lessons and will appreciate a good notation editor build in.
These youths will use the best DAW for that purpose and as you can see above many DAW's are taking this seriously. Many of those youths would probably stick with that DAW because of the steep learning curve with today's daw's. Not to mention the word of mouth among people. Also if they are forced to buy expensive specialist software these people would be much more DAW mobile. i.o.w there is no daw lock in for them. And this is bad for Sonar.
Please Cakewalk, even though you think this should not be a priority the reality is, it is. The labor you put into this will pay off with inroads into a largely untapped market of composers in respect of Sonar.
This is also true for other features regarding the EDM market.
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/01/22 03:13:28
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They even advertise it a great feature for Sonar 2015, despite having no commitment to dealing with bugs that have existed year after year after year across multiple versions of the Sonar. If this was any other aspect of the DAW, it wouldn't be acceptable, but for some reason this neglect is tolerated. http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Features Explore Guitar Features in SONAR "Chord Chart & Tab Notate, compose, or print music with standard notation staff view and guitar tab - perfect for guitar students and teachers" Explore Songwriting Features in SONAR "Compose!Score your music with SONAR’s integrated staff view - ideal for songwriters and composers"
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/05/04 20:17:05
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jsg
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jsg
Well, where is the "right" place? Calling tech support? Writing to them? Filling out the problem reporter? All those things are done and the bugs still do not get fixed.
Features and Ideas is for NEW features and idea. Requesting bug fixes is neither. There are appropriate avenues to report problems and it would appear that you know them. There is Problem Reports forum too. I understand your frustration but flooding the forum is not going to help your cause.
"Flooding the Forum"? With one post on this forum? Actually, fixing the bugs in the staff view IS a new idea because it's never been done before ;>)
lol :-)
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Re: Notation Editor: Do the Right Thing and Fix the Bugs
2015/06/21 00:34:59
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Since Sonar really has evolved into a plugin host of sorts, I'd suggest they partner up with e.g. musescore.org and integrate a better notation system through an API, two-way MusicXML or something along those lines.
I realize that I can export from MuseScore and Sibelius, but very quickly one also realizes that e.g. Sibelius has it's own VST eco-system and there really is not much need for Sonar in the first place, or at least much less need for Sonar.
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/06/30 16:34:15
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Staff view. Not notation editor. I see it as a separate product. Sorry , I would remove the boastful advertising and move on. Can we export the midi into a full blown notation editor and get it done? I am more concerned with the audio quality/mixing/etc.
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/15 16:45:39
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Hi all, I think it are a fundamental problems which should not have Sonar. I like, that Sonar team responds to the idea of the user. I believe that a lot of people about these problems already knows. And I believe that the team of Sonar these problems quickly removed. Then the Sonar DAW will be strongest in the world! 01. Adjusted Screenshots do not work in all projects as well. When I create screenshots in one project and open another project, everything is gone and I must everything set up again. 02. If I change position VU meter (Horizontal/Vertical) or set Narrow (Widen) Strips etc. in one project and then reopen this project, I must everything set up again. Inspector Window I must always docked too. Sonar should remember these basic facts! 03. Changing the Volume Level - when I 2x click into a cell with a numerical value of Volume, I can’t enter a number Value on the numeric keypad. 04. Sonar not remember zooming level of midi notes too - I open the project and must midi notes to zoom again. 05. History in Sonar (Undo/Redo) not working well. Sonar is not saved everything. E.g. Volume of fader position. 06. When I create a Track Template, Sonar not store all the information. E.g. I save a Track Template with NI Battery + MIDI Notes + Mapping. But Mapping is gone! I must set up the NI Battery (Mapping) again. 07. Whenever I open a new project, I must to reactivate Full screen (Full Screen does not hold all the time). 08. When I click on a "*.mid" file in Browser, Sonar does not play MIDI from the file trough VST Instrument. --------------------------------------- 09. Please add the “Duplicate loop / loops / selection” Function. It is tedious to always use "Ctrl + Drag and Drop". 10. Please add the Zooming with mousewheel, as E.g. Samplitude, Reaper or Sony Acid. It's incredibly effective! 11. Please correct the loop points in the Ruler - When I place the Play cursor to the left or right side of the loop selection (loop points), I must always click on the piece next. Play cursor on the sides collides with loop points. This is awkward. 12. When I add a track via hotkey, always is added to the end of the other. Correctly should create at a track that I selected. 13. When I select multiple tracks, I do not move them all at once - it is not working. I must to drag and drop each separately. Related problem: all strips in the Console do not drag and drop(move)! 14. CPU and Disk Performance Meter shows real only CPU Performance. Other parameters show nothing - HDD is always 100% etc. (= is it only bitmap?). 15. Please make graphic of Sonar more slim - Sonar has too strong dividing lines, too many panels and so on ... today is a modern slim graphics. Please skins?
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/15 19:18:19
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The above post has nothing to do with this feature request. It was also posted as a separate thread. Please do not do this again.
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/16 11:13:42
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sorry, I'm new here, thanks for the info....
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/16 11:41:53
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What might be agreeable to many folks is to come out with a separate incarnation. They have Sonar Artist, Sonar Professional, Sonar Platinum, and Sonar Music Creator 7 I believe. What about Sonar Composer? take the basic music creator package which is perfect for all those folks who say Professional is "too busy or complex" and add an established notation editor to it, like they did with melodyne? or addictive drums? So strike a deal with someone who already has a great notation plug in and move on? Package it with the most basic product for those piano and instrument composers out there and Voila! they have a product for that space. ;)
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/16 12:49:09
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What might be agreeable to many folks is to come out with a separate incarnation. They have Sonar Artist, Sonar Professional, Sonar Platinum, and Sonar Music Creator 7 I believe.
What about Sonar Composer? take the basic music creator package which is perfect for all those folks who say Professional is "too busy or complex" and add an established notation editor to it, like they did with melodyne? or addictive drums? So strike a deal with someone who already has a greatit'stime tation plug in and move on? Package it with the most basic product for those piano and instrument composers out there and Voila! they have a product for that space. ;)
You keep trying to get rid of us.  Fact is the version of SONAR platinum I bought came with a staff view, step sequencer, matrix view, etc. It didnt have Drum Replacer, mix recall, or CCC for that matter (coming from X3e). To use a home owner analogy, your argument is like saying we can just overlook the leaking plumbing in the bathroom upstairs by keeping that door closed. It's part of the house we all bought, but somehow to those who don't think it's important, it should be an add-in, different product (like an out-house?). Fwiw i try to avoid criticizing threads extolling the virtues of drum replacer (i already have and use Drumagog) and understand that not all features will appeal to all users. But clearly it's time the upstairs bathroom got some attention.
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/16 13:12:18
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This is an excellent, excellent point. The drum replacer example is right on. I would expect sonar platinum to "have" the suped up notation editor as well as Sonar Composer don't get me wrong. I expect that product space to get "all" the love from the other versions. You know, I believe this to be true but have no direct data to support it, but there is a market space that needs filling for those music folks , especially in education (the finale crowd) who want the home music creation and composing product. Finale is expensive and the lab packs are a bit of a pain to license. I have worked for many k-12 school districts and one university that always put finale in audio labs. Why not sonar. But yeah platinum should get the full enchilada.
From a marketing perspective, Its a tough balance between too much line extension(too many different models) and too many directions within one product(all things to all people).
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Re: Staff View - Fix The Bugs
2015/07/16 13:54:33
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I believe even Artist comes with Staff View. Why is staff view any different than PRV? It's a basic view within a midi sequencer. You mention Finale a couple of times. I own Notion and Progression but don't view those as replacements for the Staff View but just other tools. Most advocates for the staff view are not asking for Finale (or Notion/Sibelius) features to be added to SONAR.
Staff View is NOT an extra. It is part of the product we bought - like the bathroom plumbing. In another thread you appear to be advocating the addition of a spectral sampler to the drum replacer. Do you not see a dichotomy in your views?
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