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2015/07/07 03:57:15
Susan G
Brett
I'm making my biannual return to the forums to see if anything has been fixed. Can something point a link to this new thread?
 
Brett

Hi Brett-
 
Here you go: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3246511
 
HTH-
 
-Susan
 
2015/07/15 06:26:03
Susan G
mettelus
Susan's comment really hit home with me, since any issues get immediately pounced upon and the person pummeled into submission. That mentality has to STOP... it has offended me so much that I took SONAR's "FaultReporter" offline... there is no value to a customer to help a company who behaves this way.



Hi Michael-
 
I think I missed your comment somehow, so belated thanks!
 
-Susan
2015/07/15 10:19:45
Anderton
Please note that no one from Cakewalk has been negative toward anyone in this thread. The only contribution from Cakewalk was making statements that were transparent, and have in fact turned out to be true.
 
As it says in my sig "The opinions expressed in this post were written by Craig Anderton in his personal capacity and do not necessarily reflect the views of Cakewalk Inc. or Gibson Brands Inc." 
 
I acknowledge that VV's comments really got to me much more than they should have. I have been advocating improvements to staff view with SONAR on behalf of the community. I know how hard the people at Cakewalk work and how sincere they are about taking care of user requests. What I saw, and of course it can be debated whether my assessment was correct or not, was Cakewalk's integrity being attacked by someone who was making statements presented as fact that subsequent experience has shown were not true.
 
I also made the mistake of taking words literally, like "switched," instead of seeking clarification whether that's what the person actually meant. Furthermore, I was going through a very difficult period in my life (still am) that involved yet another death in my immediate family. There have been too many of those lately, and my cousin's suicide hit me particularly hard. As a result I have less patience than ever with people who attack others, and I never had a lot of patience in the first place. The world is a painful place and when I see good people being dissed for reasons that I believe are unjustified, it makes me go ballistic. The irony is that then I become negative as well.
 
I take responsibility for my actions and they should not reflect on the Cakewalk staff. I still believe Cakewalk was unfairly attacked, however there's no doubt I should have handled my reaction to that a lot better. I admit that I'm a "momma bear" regarding people I care about, and that's not always a good thing.
 
2015/07/15 10:54:01
Anderton
And ultimately, I've learned a lot from this because it made me reflect on why I am this way. My older brother, who didn't have a mean bone in his body and was one of the sweetest people you could ever meet, had cerebral palsy. When growing up, I became aware from a very early age of how cruel people could be to others and watched him have to fight for dignity his entire life. Ultimately he had physical complications and I asked him to move in with me, but before he did he committed suicide because the pain was just too great. Unfortunately I cannot let go of how I feel about the people who were cruel to him. When I see someone attacking someone else, it brings me back to being a child and reliving what I saw with my brother. I need to work on this.
 
What this thread has taught me is that wanting to fight what I perceive as negativity does no good if I become negative in the process. I'm sorry that it had to play out in public but I'm grateful to have learned this lesson. 
2015/07/15 11:12:45
jonogrant
I've been appalled at the lack of thought put into the Sonar staff view for a decade. How could they not address this? I use Sonar for film and television composing; and a lot more composers would also if they looked into these aspects of the program. It doesn't have to be as involved as Sibelius or Finale but it could as least be somewhat usable. I'm sure not all Sonar users need to work in staff view, but plain and simple: someone might want to print out a midi part and have a performer play it. In film/TV composing, you need to do it all the time.
 
Why even have it if it's going to be so lame? The only change I ever saw in staff view started with the X series, and it's worse than it was before!! 
 
Come on Cakewalk, hire a grade 3 piano student to go over it a bit... geez! Such a great program for many other reasons... or link it to a popular notation program.
JG
 
2015/07/15 14:06:26
jsg
jonogrant
I've been appalled at the lack of thought put into the Sonar staff view for a decade. How could they not address this? I use Sonar for film and television composing; and a lot more composers would also if they looked into these aspects of the program. It doesn't have to be as involved as Sibelius or Finale but it could as least be somewhat usable. I'm sure not all Sonar users need to work in staff view, but plain and simple: someone might want to print out a midi part and have a performer play it. In film/TV composing, you need to do it all the time.
 
Why even have it if it's going to be so lame? The only change I ever saw in staff view started with the X series, and it's worse than it was before!! 
 
Come on Cakewalk, hire a grade 3 piano student to go over it a bit... geez! Such a great program for many other reasons... or link it to a popular notation program.
JG
 




The staff view is totally, completely usable.  I've created 12 albums, 8 symphonies, concerti, songs, and many short pieces, all composed in the staff view.  None of the DAW staff views are equal to Sibelius or Finale, that's a given.  But to say it is unusable is wrong.  Sonar Platinum fixes some of the bugs, including the snap bug.  Try using DP9, you might like it better for scoring, but I can tell you firsthand it is no easier to use than is Sonar's notation editor.  But for film and TV cues, it's good because most cues are very short and DPs notation uses an manuscript page model, whereas Sonar uses an infinite across-the-screen model, which is much better for long pieces and pieces with lots of tracks (DP's notation can show up to 13 tracks on a page, Sonar can show 23). 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
2015/07/15 14:35:11
jonogrant
 
Thanks for the reply! I didn't say it was unusable, I said it was lame, which it is. I'd try other DAWs but I've used sonar/cakewalk for over a decade. It's a great program and I'm very used to it. I just wish the SV was a little better. There have been so many versions of sonar and no decent update to the SV. When I need a properly notated part, I have to start from scratch in another notation program, which is very time consuming and doesn't link to the Sonar file.
 
Obviously, it can deal with very simple patterns but anything beyond an 8th note triplet is out of the question. Poly-rhythms? Grace notes? Multiple consecutive time signatures? The list goes on... The view doesn't even extend beyond a few ledger lines above the staff. They've truly ignored it. 
Would love to see an upgrade of any kind to it.
Cheers
JG 
2015/07/15 20:21:13
Brett
jonogrant
 
Thanks for the reply! I didn't say it was unusable, 




I will. For me at least. 

There is (was?) a bug with lyrics that will destroy your track by adding duplicate notes and lyrics and it's not undoable.
 
Craig, you'll forgive me if I'm a little cynical. This bug was introduced in Sonar 5 ten years ago. I, and others documented it thoroughly. 
 
Brett
2015/07/15 21:33:38
jonogrant
 
Just trying not to be rude to the other fellow... thanks for the heads up about that bug... that's crazy! 
Cheers
JG
2015/07/15 21:39:41
scook
Brett
 
I will. For me at least. 

There is (was?) a bug with lyrics that will destroy your track by adding duplicate notes and lyrics and it's not undoable.
 

I thought this was fixed in Foxboro, see Staff View section of http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013412/SONAR-2015-Foxboro-Update-Fixes-and-Workflow-Enhancements

For older versions of SONAR try bouncing the clips before adding lyrics
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