2016/05/10 04:58:55
guitz
I'm listening to some Def Leppard and am amazed that even with density and punchiness of the overall mix that the kick and snare by themselves 'punch out' with this deep seated impact. Since both the kick and snare are a short duration sound, I'm wondering if there is one tried and true , sort of sure fire/can't miss way to make them leap out with punchiness liek that? Like specific EQ boost/cut points and db amounts and exact compression/limiting settings and anything else? SONAR's Addictive drums sound, eh...OK by themselves, but don't have near the punch and clarity of DL, even after tweaking from within the program....Thanks for any tips
2016/05/11 21:53:17
ampfixer
I record each drum on their own track. If I want to accent a certain drum it usually starts by adding various amounts of that Soft Tube saturation plug in the pro channel. It's great at punching things up. Another thing is to try different reverb amounts on the drums you want to stand out. If you run the snare with some nice verb and add saturation it will definitely have more presence.
2016/05/12 09:01:49
bitflipper
Compression is the key. The idea is to stretch out the drum sound by truncating the initial hit and then boosting the decay. One common way to do this is via parallel compression.
 
Any compressor can work for this, but some are geared specifically toward this application. One that will do the trick is a freebie from Nomad Factory called BusDriver. Or if you want to spend some money and get lots of options, check out Manic Compressor from Boz Digital Labs.
 
Make the attack short. Whether you want to completely suppress this initial stick hit or not depends on the effect you're after. I like to keep some stick, so set attacks around 2-3 ms. It helps to look at the waveform and calculate how long the initial transient actually is. Releases should also be short, enough that you clearly hear the tail being boosted. This may be in the 3 to 10 millisecond range, but it depends greatly on the instrument.
 
Manic Compressor also gives you an equalizer that can be applied pre or post, or to the sidechain. This can create a massively boomy kick drum if that's what you want.
 
If you really want to get fancy, a multi-band compressor can be used to accentuate different elements within the drums' sounds. If you want a clicky kick for example, you can make the compressor only affect the drum's low frequencies. Or beef up the snares on a snare drum, or get a Ringo-style ride wash.
 
Finally, gating can help drum thickness. Since you mention Def Leppard, chances are some of that is the classic gated reverb effect. Whether you use reverb or compression to bring up drum tails and room ambiance, a negative side-effect is that hits can become indistinct and run into one another. Gating cuts off the drum after a period calculated from the project tempo. If you exaggerate this effect, you get a classic 80's snare sound; but do it subtly and get the timing right, the effect can be quite transparent.
2016/05/12 22:04:54
guitz
awesome replies, you gave me some stuff to try , thanks guys!
2016/05/13 09:42:15
patm300e
Some of the Nomad Factory Compressors have nice snare presets...
 
2016/05/20 15:34:00
batsbrew
bus driver's no longer free....
still a bargain
2016/05/24 07:26:03
Adji
As others have said it is all about compression, saturation and reverb for snare. Sometimes you'll find that after you have gotten the body you want using compression you might lose some of the crack, a transient designer should help liven the attack up again.
I've been loving NI's SuperCharger on snare recently.

I prefer BusDriver on Kick but that is just me.

And plenty of Waves PuigTec EQ.
2016/05/25 09:37:59
Lord Tim
Bit really nailed this - compression and gated reverb is the key.
 
Def Leppard also used pretty much either everything triggered or actually programmed back on their big albums, so don't be afraid to layer samples over the top of your sounds. A lot of Linn Drum sounds, when you combine them with a big but short gated reverb, going into a longer plate reverb is pretty much that huge 80s sound. It's pretty over the top now (as much as I hate to admit it, I'm still a sucker for crazy big 80s drums) so using that idea but layered with more natural sounds where you've used compression to really accentuate the initial attack of the drums will get you a HEAP of punch. 
2016/05/26 12:53:06
batsbrew
never did like that sound.....
sounded totally fake.
2016/05/26 13:38:41
Jesse G
guitz
I'm listening to some Def Leppard and am amazed that even with density and punchiness of the overall mix that the kick and snare by themselves 'punch out' with this deep seated impact. Since both the kick and snare are a short duration sound, I'm wondering if there is one tried and true , sort of sure fire/can't miss way to make them leap out with punchiness liek that? Like specific EQ boost/cut points and db amounts and exact compression/limiting settings and anything else? SONAR's Addictive drums sound, eh...OK by themselves, but don't have near the punch and clarity of DL, even after tweaking from within the program....Thanks for any tips




Try using an Aux track as I was sharing in this post. 
 
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