• SONAR
  • Using a pen with Sonar (p.2)
2017/06/01 12:47:25
Bob Currie [Cakewalk]
Hi dilletant,
 
Coupled drawing mode is actually a feature that lets you draw mod-wheel, breath control, etc while your drawing notes.  In your case, if you have a mod-filter on CC11, or some other expressive control, you can hear it as you draw notes, which is pretty cool.  If you don't want to upset the existing controller data, select the velocity lane in the controller pane.  IOW, the pen will do "coupled-drawing" (via pen pressure) in whatever lane is highlighted in the controller pane.
 
FWIW, we're still getting our arms around how the pen could be used in SONAR.  Although pens have been around for a while, even Microsoft is still grappling with how they can and should be used in applications.  We're looking for everyone's feedback to help us put the necessary polish on this.  Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks!
 
~Bob
2017/06/01 20:29:23
tlw
Bob Currie [Cakewalk]
IOW, the pen will do "coupled-drawing" (via pen pressure) in whatever lane is highlighted in the controller pane.
 
FWIW, we're still getting our arms around how the pen could be used in SONAR.  Although pens have been around for a while, even Microsoft is still grappling with how they can and should be used in applications.



Pens, for me anyway, are useful in a couple of situations. The first is when you need pixel-level precision or close to it. They're easier to manoeuvre than a mouse for the same reason it's easier to write holding a pen in your fingers than it is to write with a sharpie glued to the palm of your hand.
 
This is particularly true on touch screens where it can be very difficult to only affect the pixels you want affected, fingers are blunt instruments for that kind of job.
 
The second situation kind of ties in with the first. Pens are pressure-sensitive, so pressure can be used to do things as well as positioning. The obvious use for this is in graphics applications, and I suppose might translate into a DAW by using pressure to e.g. define velocity while drawing notes. Trouble is pressure can be very difficult to apply absolutely consistently.
 
I agree MS (or Apple) have't really worked out what to do with the "third interface dimension" of pressure. Apple have pressure sensitive touchpads, and I'm using one at the moment, but uses for the pressure sensitivity in software are limited and the pad doesn't really replace a graphics tablet and pen for precise work. There's also the Apple pen for the iPad Pros but it's essentially still a graphics tool.
 
I guess what I'm saying is a pen would be very useful for touch-screen work for accuracy, but the role of a pressure function would have to be considered very carefully before activating it. Kind of how a very sensitive keyboard aftertouch can be a pain to work with because it's too difficult not to send aftertouch when you don't intend to.
2017/06/01 21:10:44
Zargg
2017/06/02 10:21:47
w.joyce
I have ben looking for a pen or stylus for my hanns g ht231 touchscreen but I'm having trouble. is there pens or stylus that work with all win 10 touch devices? I have a cheap one but it wont let me add notes or draw automation in the prv.
2017/06/03 10:36:58
dilletant
OMG this forum is awesome. Where else a developer himself reads your posts and answers you directly?! I'm thrilled.
 
Bob, thank you for clarification. So, this is a feature, not a bug. Well, at least for me, it does not seem very practical... in the matter of fact, I find it almost impossible to draw notes AND desired CC curve in one go. You end up editing CC curve after that anyway.
 
However, I found that if you don't apply any pressure while drawing notes, then no controller events are created.
2017/06/03 11:56:38
The Maillard Reaction
Bob Currie [Cakewalk]
...Coupled drawing mode is actually a feature that lets you draw mod-wheel, breath control, etc while your drawing notes...  ...If you don't want to upset the existing controller data, select the velocity lane in the controller pane.  IOW, the pen will do "coupled-drawing" (via pen pressure) in whatever lane is highlighted in the controller pane...  
 
...Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks!
 
~Bob




Hi Bob, 
 I have been using Wacom "pen" tablets as my exclusive H.I.D.s from before the time I got my first Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 license through to the present time. Pressure sensitivity is not always beneficial, and the technology has always seemed to be crude in its capability to interpret nuanced levels of input.
 
 Is it possible to simply turn "coupled drawing mode off" in the PRV when it is not desirable?
 
 Thank you.
2017/06/03 15:20:07
tlw
Is it possible to turn off your animated avatar? Seriously. I don't mean to be rude but it's really distracting and glaring. Makes it much harder to read the entire page.
2017/06/03 18:26:40
bwbalint
So I see there are a number of Wacom pen/pad options. Any advice on which would be most adequate for Sonar Plt. Right now I don't see doing much high end graphics. Thanks !
2017/06/04 14:55:17
dilletant
Seem like I found a bug.
1. Start new project.
2. Create MIDI track.
3. Open PRV.
4. Using a pen, draw few notes.
5. Move the cursor to the velocity pane.
The cursor turns into resize tool and you can't edit velocities anymore. Close and reopen PRV, and it works normally until you draw another note, then it happens again.
2017/06/04 15:44:13
pwalpwal
tlw
Is it possible to turn off your animated avatar? Seriously. I don't mean to be rude but it's really distracting and glaring. Makes it much harder to read the entire page.

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