Thanks so much for the help!
I have tried the latest motu diver instal and factory reset and firmware update still with no glory. The knob rest problem is the most aggravating, I can workaround the absence of main outs, windows recognizes other outs, really haven't got windows to use them yet though, still trying to figure that one out, but SPlat uses the main outs just fine. Actually to play my keyboard that are routed through the motu, I have to have sonar open, even if it's a standalone midi synth. Just weird, not a cheap interface either...just sayin...