scottfa
But also, Ryan and Craig take things so personally. Gentlemen, you don't always have to respond you know. 
Mr Anderton: really are you going to not pursue the possibility of HC hosting because a couple of forum members tick you off? Doesn't that seem like an extreme response?

There was not one positive comment about the idea. That's not taking it personally; that's a statistic. I have a responsibility to look out for everyone's best interest. I'm not going to try and convince HC to lose money hosting something when I can't point to anyone here saying "Wow, glad to hear we'll have a place to go just in case, good to know." HC has real, paying clients who sponsor forums and buy ads. I can't in good faith ask HC to do something pro bono for this community, even as a personal favor, when I can't show support. 
 
I'm sorry if it seems extreme but I put forth an idea, it got shot down, and I accept that. I have neither the time nor patience to try and convince the community to support an idea that (at least I think) benefits it. 

Mr. Anderson:
I think everyone here sppreciates how much you give to the forums and Cajewslk in general. I would like you to continue to do these things but you seemed to be swayed by one of two individuals. You gave the rest if the community under 5 hours to rebut the complaints.
Surely the forums won't be closed tonight correct? Why not give it a few weeks before making any decisions?
I hope you reconsider and put the Sonar users best interests first.
Thanks.

scottfa
Mr. Anderson:
I think everyone here sppreciates how much you give to the forums and Cajewslk in general. I would like you to continue to do these things but you seemed to be swayed by one of two individuals. You gave the rest if the community under 5 hours to rebut the complaints.
Surely the forums won't be closed tonight correct? Why not give it a few weeks before making any decisions?
I hope you reconsider and put the Sonar users best interests first.
Thanks.

Yup!  Never judge a group by the actions of a few.

tenfoot
 
 
I genuinely hope this forum can continue somewhere in its current format, if not here. I am a little astounded that Cakewalk intend to close it. I presumed Cakewalk saw it as an asset. It has certainly helped me out on countless occasions .
 

I agree 110%.

tenfoot
 
 
 
I realise it is early days, but the whole concept of earning points and voting posts up and down leaves me cold. It seems to me how often a person posts gives little indication of the value of their contribution. Whilst there are some amazing frequent posters here who make a massive contribution,  sometimes the person with the deepest knowedge and the answer you need posts only rarely. They are some of the most valuable members here. I can't help but feel that encouraging people to post to earn 'citizinship' popularity points may appeal to all the wrong folk.
 

Again I agree 110%.
The idea of people earning points!!! Count me out please.

Anderton

scottfa
But also, Ryan and Craig take things so personally. Gentlemen, you don't always have to respond you know. 
Mr Anderton: really are you going to not pursue the possibility of HC hosting because a couple of forum members tick you off? Doesn't that seem like an extreme response?

There was not one positive comment about the idea. That's not taking it personally; that's a statistic. I have a responsibility to look out for everyone's best interest. I'm not going to try and convince HC to lose money hosting something when I can't point to anyone here saying "Wow, glad to hear we'll have a place to go just in case, good to know." HC has real, paying clients who sponsor forums and buy ads. I can't in good faith ask HC to do something pro bono for this community, even as a personal favor, when I can't show support. 
 
I'm sorry if it seems extreme but I put forth an idea, it got shot down, and I accept that. I have neither the time nor patience to try and convince the community to support an idea that (at least I think) benefits it. 

If Cakewalk is closing the forum, which I  can understand more and
more reading specially this thread,
it would be a good idea to continue on HC in that situation .
Seems that some folks  are continuously working to
demotivate Cakewalk and our most helpful friends running a friendly forum.
 
And Mr. Craig and Ryan are very far away from taking discussions personal,
They are  extremly factual and patient which everybody can proof in several 
threads.
 
all the best

Pragi
And Mr. Craig and Ryan are very far away from taking discussions personal,
They are  extremly factual and patient which everybody can proof in several 
threads.

Unlike I have thought at the beginning, these two persons are representing 2 different groups.
 
Could Ryan directly answer on the original question: is the plan is to completely replace this forum by the Bakery or just replace the "Feedback" part of it?
With replacing the feedback almost everyone agree as a good idea, Ryan has written detailed explanation why. Also that is how long available statements on "Coming soon" could be interpreted. "Feedback portal". "... to easily share what they’d like to see in future SONAR updates ...". Discussions? Questions? The replacement for current forum?
 
So as a forum replacement, the motivation is less clear. Also Craig has at first written that the new system is "Seems to me like it's basically what we're doing here, but with a more formal structure that intends for the "cream" to rise to the top". And then has proposed and "alternative", just in case the change is really done, with long explanation that it is not an alternative, but "an addition", since support / community / cafe house are not the same things...
A bit insane. For me: "I see this as a a step forward for the feedback, but for general discussions not so. Do not worry, in case this forum is closed there will be another place" will sound more consequential. Is that the meaning? No? Am I the only one who find the discussion in this thread as not "extremely factual and patient"?

Hi Azslow,
the fact that Craig and Ryan are  extremly factual and patient does not include they 
represent the same group.
If the future of the forum is still not defined -
there should be an open discussion about -
which already started :

The Bakery- A polite, constructive feedback thread

http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-Bakery-A-polite-constructive-feedback-thread-m3518264.aspx
 
I´m out .

Wow, I go away for a day and the place practically explodes! ;)
 
I don't know what the official plans are for this forum, presumably it doesn't make sense in the long term to maintain two separate venues for much the same purpose so I imagine this will be phased out. Perhaps the content here can be archived in some way that makes it useful... but it might be *more* useful if it were pulled into the other zone in some curated kind of way. 
 
I am not clear yet on whether the Bakery will restrict the more conversational side of what's gone on here to the point that another forum would be needed, but if so I think it's a reasonable and generous offer for Craig to broker a solution at HC, it's a known and trusted space. But are we sure that the kind of off-the-cuff discussion we've generally enjoyed here (and not enjoyed so much, at times, when it gets acrimonious) will be, err, not allowed in the new place? 
 
I'm just asking...

I for one hope this forum does not go away.  This forum is one of two main reasons I purchased Splat.  I'm very new to all of this, just recently starting to use a keyboard and Sonar to figure out how everything works.  Sonar was never on my radar until the Lifetime updates (which appealed to me as a new user with no DAW experience).  Spending a few days on this forum this past summer sealed the deal for me.
 
I never post (because I know nothing and thus have very little to add), but I read the forum here multiple times every day trying to learn.  Sometimes I have questions that I don't even know how to ask.  But users like Azslow3, Abacab, Chuckebaby have been very good to me with their patience and answers.  I also enjoy Craig Anderton's very reasoned posts - I think he does a fine job of treading a very fine line.  
 
And realistically, this forum is one of the most tame, and friendly places I visit.