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M81
Okay peeps, I've managed to churn another toon out of the Happy Music Mill. https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron/m81 Typical Synkrotron stuff here, so if you do not like my take on "electronic" music then turn around... Nothing to see (hear) here. If you are interested in what I "make," then have a listen, see what you think. I will warn you now, this is eight minutes long. No vocals. No "middle eight." No real instruments were used... Just me, X2 and a few VST synths. But it changes throught, based on a simple note progression, so I am hoping that it will at least be a little bit more interesting than my other "long" toons. I'm out for much of the day, so I will be back later to see how this is cooking. I also intend to write a fairly lengthy track by track break down of this composition. Which sounds and effects were used and what have you. At least, that's the plan. back later cheers andy edited to add link for associated video:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvw83e9jKF8
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Hi Andy, this is a nice soundscape. I like how it slowly keeps on evolving. Rik
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Fantastic work Andy. I loved it from end to end. I'm looking forward to you posting your track listing, so I can peek into your music creation process. :)
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+1 Andy, I enjoyed all 8 minutes of it (great way to start my morning off)........it took me on a very enjoyable journey of sounds. The composition, performance, and mix is excellent. Reminded me of some of the New Age cd's I used to listen to (Enigma, Andreas Vollenweider, and (yes) even Pink Floyd). Well done mate!! Enjoying Nessus very much atm. (I don't have access to Soundcloud at my workplace, so have to listen on my Android phone....which I rarely/lazy to do). Another very good composition........I just may have to spend the day in Synkrotronland.
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Great song, Andy. This set the mood for the entire day. You have truly mastered the art of mixing through your headphones. Keep em coming.
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Nice tune I like the sense of tension, it would have perhaps been nice to hear a little resolution to that sense but..... Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks Andy, this was a good way to start out my day. We may be 11,740,000 light years apart but perhaps we are connected by music. Perhaps ET will give us a call and send us some music he created. Well...I know, crazy Billy is always out there on the edge...lol Keep up the good work. Cheers, Billy PS...I re read my post and I should explain. M81 is a group of galaxies for you guys who perhaps did not get the reference. I have way to much information in my head...lol I think I need some off site storage...lol
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Hi Peeps I have literally just walked in having had a nice day out with an old chum of mine. I quickly logged on to the interwebs to see how my new tune was going and I am blown away with the responses so far. And it has had 27 listens in half a day! Unheard of for one of my tracks haha! Unfortunately, I don't have time at the moment to respond to the above because my tea is here and after that I'm cuddling up on the couch to watch the final Hobbit film with my missus, so it I might not be back until the morning (in the UK). Sorry about that... catch you all later cheers andy
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synkrotron Hi Peeps I have literally just walked in having had a nice day out with an old chum of mine. I quickly logged on to the interwebs to see how my new tune was going and I am blown away with the responses so far. And it has had 27 listens in half a day! Unheard of for one of my tracks haha! Unfortunately, I don't have time at the moment to respond to the above because my tea is here and after that I'm cuddling up on the couch to watch the final Hobbit film with my missus, so it I might not be back until the morning (in the UK). Sorry about that... catch you all later cheers andy
Out of those 27, I gave it a good 3-4 listens. :)) I too love the Hobbit and LOR series.....good stuff. Enjoy your tea and movie, but not sure about the cuddling with your chum bit...
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Yeah man! I really like this one.
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Jeepers... I got up at 03:30hrs and I have finally made it around to this, at 04:45. Yeah, I could have come here first but I knew I was going to have to take quite a bit of time responding to all the comments here. Rikkie Hi Andy, this is a nice soundscape. I like how it slowly keeps on evolving.
Hi Rik... Fantastic! This is exactly what I wanted to achieve, so your comment means I have succeeded in that. It is a long piece, with a very simple underlying background, so the only way to (hopefully) keeps peoples interest was to make it change subtly over time. Waltenstein Studios Fantastic work Andy. I loved it from end to end. I'm looking forward to you posting your track listing, so I can peek into your music creation process. :)
Hi Walt I'm so glad you liked it dood... I'm looking forward to writing up my project break down and I'll post it as soon as it is ready (could be a few hours away yet LOL). Mesh Andy, I enjoyed all 8 minutes of it (great way to start my morning off)........it took me on a very enjoyable journey of sounds. The composition, performance, and mix is excellent. Reminded me of some of the New Age cd's I used to listen to (Enigma, Andreas Vollenweider, and (yes) even Pink Floyd). Well done mate!! Enjoying Nessus very much atm. (I don't have access to Soundcloud at my workplace, so have to listen on my Android phone....which I rarely/lazy to do). Another very good composition........I just may have to spend the day in Synkrotronland. Haha! Thanks so much Mesh I am so glad you enjoyed listening to M81... In fact, I'm slightly lost for words... Synkrotronland eh? Well... good luck with that dood haha!!! Not all of my stuff is like what I have been releasing recently. Some of it was created nearly fifteen years ago and I've learned so much more since then. I suppose I shouldn't have bothered uploading it really, but, what the hell haha... it's all me, so I'm making peeps have it LOL Lynn Great song, Andy. This set the mood for the entire day. You have truly mastered the art of mixing through your headphones. Keep em coming.
Thank you so much Lynn... If I could give you a medal for listening to everything I have posted here I would do... Your efforts here are above and beyond the call of duty... Wookiee Nice tune I like the sense of tension, it would have perhaps been nice to hear a little resolution to that sense but.....
Hi Wookiee Thanks yet again for listening to one of my tunes. I know what you are saying about the tension thing... Like you say, it is there, and it does not get resolved... This is one area of composing I tend to struggle with I suppose. I obviously listen to a lot of commercial/professional music but none of that has rubbed off on me. My eldest son criticised this piece for "not going anywhere," which kind of alludes to what you are saying. So this is something I need to work on in the future. Planobilly Thanks Andy, this was a good way to start out my day. We may be 11,740,000 light years apart but perhaps we are connected by music. Perhaps ET will give us a call and send us some music he created. Well...I know, crazy Billy is always out there on the edge...lol
Hiya Billy... Thanks for stopping by Yeah, M81, or Messier 81, is a spiral galaxy in the Ursa Major constellation. Thanks for listening Mesh Out of those 27, I gave it a good 3-4 listens. :)) I too love the Hobbit and LOR series.....good stuff. Enjoy your tea and movie, but not sure about the cuddling with your chum bit...
Haha!! Thanks again Mesh. Yeah, we are great big fans of both the Hobbit and LOTR, plus I've read the books too, and still read a lot of stuff that was inspired by LOTR. Peter Jackson (and his merry band) did great stuff with those books marcos69 Yeah man! I really like this one.
Hi Mark Thanks for listening to M81, and I am so glad that you liked it. Okay, I'm going to start work on my write up of this project now, so I'll hopefully be back later today with that. If any other comments appear in the meantime, and I'm still hanging around here, I will try to respond straight away. cheers again peeps, and I am so chuffed with all the great comments here... My head is so big now that I think it will be some time before I can get into the kitchen to make my breakfast andy edit:- I have just uploaded a 320kbps version of M81 to my IMP site and I think you can open their player by clicking on this link:- http://indiemusicpeople.com/play2.aspx?songID=94574&source=Artist%20Page%20Single I know some of you prefer to stream rather than download stuff
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☄ Helpfulby ohgrant 2015/07/13 18:08:29
My goodness... I'm wondering if anyone will read this, but I've spent all morning typing this, so here goes:- Okay... There is so much to say about M81, so here goes... I originally started working on M81 (aka 0008 in Sonar) back in April 2013. I made decent headway at the time and even uploaded an early WIP version, which is still there near the bottom of my SoundCloud page. I should delete it really as it has changed so much since then. When I find that I am struggling to create anything new I often go back over old unfinished projects to see if I can find some inspiration there. M81 was one such track, which I liked at the time, but it was somewhat limited in terms of interest and definitely still WIP and in need of some love. So, what is it all about then? Good question... You see, I do not compose music in order to express a particular human emotion... Love, hate, fear, loss, etc. The reason for that is simple. I don't have that ability. I never sing, because I have never been able to, so there is no inspiration there. And as much as life events move me, I have never developed the ability to put my feelings into words. I wish I had Neil Peart's writing skills, who has written a lot of songs based on science fiction, but, again, nothing like that has ever come from these hands. And there a so many classical and instrumental works that ooze emotion, and have been inspired by simple things like landscapes, historical events, and so on. Again, I do not seem to be able to convert anything at all in real life into music. My only inspiration, therefore, is sound itself. For all I know, it may go all the way back to being in my mother's womb, but there it is... Sounds... Such an inspiration to me, and is also why I listen to music. Okay, I'm probably labouring the point too much, but I think I am setting the scene here and giving peeps an insight into my music, or should I say sound creation process. Back to M81... It has a tempo of 93.5 BPM. I know that sounds strange, but I wanted to make M81 last exactly eight minutes long (fade out included) and I adjusted the tempo to suit. I set the meter to 6/8 time. 3/4 would have done the same job but for some reason I prefer 6/8. There are a total of 28 tracks, 12 MIDI tracks and 16 audio tracks, each associated with a VSTi. So I think I will refer to each track below as the MIDI track number. Track 2 - Bass Pad - Pan Centre VSTi - Absynth 5, using preset Aeon as the basis, which is then tweaked to suit and with further tweaks made by way of automation. VST effects include Pro-Q 2 for sculpting and Kotelnikov for minor compression duties. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. This first track pretty much sets the whole scene for M81. It is present in the mix from beginning to end, although it does fade in and out, so may not be instantly apparent. Each note played is a full nine bars long, and this is where the whole experimental phase of this project started. I am always generally compelled to write stuff that fits in with multiples of four. I mean... Why is that? My brain is always expecting things to last 4, 8, 12 bars. Most of the time anyway. So, here I am, pushing the boundaries of my limited musical thinking... First note played is F, in the bass register. Followed by Eb, G, D, Bb, G, F, Eb, D. Simples... And mostly in the key of Fmaj, with a twist of a flattened 7th. So it could be minor, depending what else accompanies the aforementioned notes. And that was nine notes there. So, nine notes, each lasting nine bars long. On paper at least, this just wasn't going to work, but I wanted to continue with my experiment. Those first nine bars constituted first major part of M81. For the second major part I simply copied the first. For the third and final major part I stuck with the nine bar long "drone" notes, but changed the sequence to C, Bb, C, Bb, C, Bb, F, F and F. Even more simple. The final F broke the rules a bit because that lasts more than nine bars. Thirteen in fact. I wanted the final bass note to fade out past the, up to now, usual nine bars. That's it then... The bass drone note part is done and I could pretty much stop there. But in order to turn this into something that could be listened to, lots more stuff had to be added. Track 4 - Bass Seq - Pan Centre VSTi - Chromaphone, using preset Dragon Behind (KitNetix), tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects include Pro-Q 2 for sculpting and Kotelnikov for minor compression duties. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. This track is for the bass line, or sequence, that runs through almost all of M81. In the original WIP version of M81, this sequence was a bass F note played, as a sixteenth note (semiquaver) every 8th in the bar. I then decided that this wasn't working for some parts, so I took the decision to make this follow the Bass Pad notes. So, so simple, yet again, but for me, it worked. Track 6 - Seq 1 - Pan Centre VSTi - Hive, using preset AZ Defined Pluck, tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects include Pro-Q 2 for sculpting and Timeless 2 for a stereo echo bounce to hard left and right. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. The sequence in this track was the last created for this version. The previous sequence it contain, and still in the WIP version, was deleted because I didn't like how it interacted with all the new stuff. This particular sequence is even more basic that the bass sequence, containing just three sixteenth notes starting on the first eighth note and a quarter note apart. Because there are three sequence parts, not including the bass sequence, it fits quite well and give the feeling of movement in the composition due to its position in the stereo field. The notes used in this sequence simply follow the notes played by one of the pad tracks (Pad 6) and the sequence follows that simple pattern for the duration of the tune. Track 8 - Seq 2 - Pan Centre VSTi - Hive, using preset AZ Defined Pluck, tweaked to suit and further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects used include Pro-Q 2 for sculpting and Timeless 2 for a single echo bounce. I left the track pan to Centre and used Timeless to place the dry signal at 60% left and the wet signal to 60% right. Track Send to Reverb Buss. I should note that I generally use Step Sequencer to create all of my sequences nowadays... Seems daft not to really. It give me the ability to experiment on the fly and see what fits. I can get lost for hours in this part of the process... So Seq 2 was developed to suit each of the Bass Pad nine bar parts, using notes that would fit into a simple triad chord of that note, usually in the bass position. I use the same sequencer note position throughout the length of M81. However, to add to that evolving feel, after the first main part I start to add notes to the sequence, varying each time through the remaining to major parts. Track 10 - Seq 3 - Pan Centre VSTi - Ultra Analog, using preset IDM Pluck, tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects used include Pro-Q 2 for sculpting and Timeless 2 for a single echo bounce. I left the track pan to Centre and used Timeless to place the dry signal at 100% right and the wet signal to 100% left. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. The notes used in this sequence follow the same pattern as Seq 1 for the first major part, but an octave higher. After the first major part I add more notes to the sequence, but different to the notes added to Seq 1. Track 12 - Pad 1 - Pan 100% Left VSTi - Zebralette, using preset HS Atlantic Swell, tweaked to suit. VST effects used include just Pro-Q 2. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. This track provides the pads that work alongside the main Bass Pad parts. Each of the notes played last for three bars this time, so there are three notes played for each of the Bass Pad notes, and start to form a chord. Track 14 - Pad 2 - Pan 100% Right VSTi - Rapture, using preset C.A.L.M and tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects include just Pro-Q 2. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. This pad track simply copies the Bass Pad track but in a higher register and reinforces the basic main pattern of the tune. Track 16 - Pad 3 - Pan 70% Left VSTi - Twin 2, using preset Ambient 2 SM and tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects include Pro-Q 2 and Kotelnikov. Track Send to Reverb Buss. This pad track is a copy of Pad 1 but is two octaves higher. Track 18 - Pad 4 - Pan 70% Right VSTi - String Studio, using preset Cosmos Soundscape and tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects used include Pro-Q 2 and Kotelnikov. Track Send to Reverb Buss. Pad 4 is a direct copy of Pad 3. Track 20 - Pad 5 - Pan 70% Right VSTi - Hive, using preset AZ Sweet Strings Vintage and tweaked to suit. VST effects used include Pro-Q 2. Track Send to Reverb Buss. Pad 5 follows the same note structure as Pad 1, Pad 3 and Pad 4 but two notes are now played instead. The lowest note copies Pad 1, 3 and 4, and the higher note is an octave above the lower note for the first two Bass Pad notes and then for the remainder of the tune, it is some interval, other than an octave, above the lower note. So now we are getting a more of a chord, although some of the chords created are not true triads, or may be a 7th chord, with the fifth missing... That sort of thing. I think it works, and you can hear the makings of a major or minor chord here and there, even though no triads were played on any of the pad tracks. Track 22 - Pad 6 - Pan 40% Left VSTi - Hive, using preset ETE Arctic Voyage and tweaked to suit with further adjustments made by way of automation. VST effects include Pro-Q 2. Track Send to the Reverb Buss. This track plays the same note as the higher note in Pad 5 but an octave higher. Track 26 - Main Drums - Pan set by VSTi VSTi - Drumaxx, using preset Dubstep Kit. This is a complete kit, although only Kick, Snare and Hi-Hats are used. I may have tweaked some of the parameters... Unlike every other track, which have just the one stereo output (each sent directly to the Master Buss), I use the ability of Drumaxx to output each item of kit to its own output. This means I can have a track, and therefore effects bin and fader for each drum kit element. I know I can control the balance and sounds within Drumaxx, but I prefer to do that outside of the VSTi, where possible. Track 23 is used for the Kick. Track 24 for the Snare. And Track 35 for the Hi-Hat. Each of those tracks has an instance of Pro-Q 2 so that I can sculpt each element individually. Also, each of those three tracks are sent to a Drum Buss rather than the Master Buss. More details on the busses later. Track 28 - Cymbals - Pan set by VSTi VSTi - Battery 3, using Full Jazz Kit (such a nice selection if cymbals). VST effects used include Pro-Q 2. Although Cymbals are obviously part of a drum kit, for M81 I decided to keep them out of the Drum Buss and send them directly to the Master Buss, and therefore I have added a Track Send to the Reverb Buss. Why go for real cymbal samples rather that those provided with Drumaxx? I just wanted "real" cymbals on M81... The synthesised cymbals in Drumaxx, for obvious reasons, cannot come close to that. Sure, in certain genres, the Drumaxx cymbals are fine, and expected to be used. But not on this tune... Now the Busses:- Reverb - I always set up a reverb buss nowadays and my "go to" reverb at the moment is Breverb 2. For M81 I use the Cathedral preset, which is quite a deep and sometimes over the top reverb to use. But I like it for some reason and so temper it by lowering each send amount by a couple of dB for starters, and then I may use the buss fader to reduce it further. I also set the Dry Mix level in Breverb 2 to zero. Other than that, I don't mess with any of the other setting (because I do not know what I am doing). Drums - As mention above, I route the Kick, Snare and Hi-Hats to this buss. I like to do this because I cand adjust the relative levels of each kit element via the track fader and then use the Drum Buss fader to adjust the overall drums level. I also place an instance of Pro-Q 2 for some final drum EQ tweaks. The Drum Buss also has a send and that is directed to what I call Drums PP. I don't know much about "parallel processing," other than bits I have read on the internet. For "processing" you can read "compression" and on the Drums PP Buss I have an instance of Kotelnikov, set to use its Drum Buss - Deep Control preset. I then mix a certain amount of the Drums PP Buss into the Master Buss, until I hear its effect. I'm just playing with this at the moment and still learning the ropes, but from what I have done so far with this method is certainly interesting, and somewhat pleasing. Finally, the Master Buss... This has an instance of Pro-Q 2, which is used to fine tune the overall EQ of the complete mix, followed by Pro-L, which is what I like using at the moment to flatten the dynamics a bit and increase the RMS level. Since reading a few posts on the Cakewalk forum about various monitoring methods, I have settled on using the K-14 system, and Pro-L allows you to do this. So I aim for my RMS level to be hovering between 0 and +4 dB. The last VST used in the chain is SPAN, which I use as best I can to tell me how thinks are with the frequency spectrum, along with the RMS level. As I have mentioned many times in the past couple of months, I mix and master using my KRK KNS-8400 headphones, so I rely on SPAN for much of the process. I do manage to listen on other systems, and with M81 I have been hooking up my audio out to the aux input of my TV surround sound system, but that, too, has its limitiations. A word about Automation; I rely on Automation a lot in my compositions. With M81, it allows me to alter various VSTi parameters as the tune is playing and therefore alter the sounds. This allows the sounds to come and go, or simply change its timbre... Do that with 12 elements and you get this feeling of stuff constantly changing and helps, a little anyway, to keep things interesting. I think I had better leave it there... If you've got this far, WELL DONE!!!
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Walt Collins
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wow andy, I'll need to set aside a week's vacation time to digest all that... ;) but I'll give it a read, should be interesting!
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Hi Andy, That was a lot to think about! Glad I got to this first thing this morning. I am not so hyper first thing when I wake up. I like to use Breverb also. I like some of the sounds and the interface is easy to use. I guess my perspective on what is "real life" is perhaps a bit different than some. To me space feel very close and connected to who I am. There are many things about this " pale blue dot" we live on I like and others that make me wish I could look around else where. Everyone who produces music form the small child to the most famous composers can only do what they know how to do no matter how much they would like it to be different. We can all get better and try new things. I am certainly not a vocalist but that never stopped me from trying to sing...well if you can call it singing...lol I think it is less important how one goes about expressing things musical that the fact that they just do it. I try to see things for what they are and not put too many pre conceived notions and judgemental attitudes in my way. The way you express things has as much value as any other from of musical expression. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Billy
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Just listening again. I love this tune!
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Hi Andy...I'm waking up from my slumber...ah a new script of ADHD medication...does wonders for my motivation. Well I'm impressed with the mix...you understand how to carve out a place in the master for the kick drum...something I've just worked out...although I always remembered that this was one of the stages...but ADHD no time to stick to one thing till it's perfect lol. Ok I'm up to the 4 minute mark...my ADHD is kicking in...nice work though! Peace Ben
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Waltenstein Studios but I'll give it a read, should be interesting!
Haha! Walt, No pressure man I think I went a bit OTT there Planobilly Everyone who produces music form the small child to the most famous composers can only do what they know how to do no matter how much they would like it to be different. We can all get better and try new things. I am certainly not a vocalist but that never stopped me from trying to sing...well if you can call it singing...lol I think it is less important how one goes about expressing things musical that the fact that they just do it. I try to see things for what they are and not put too many pre conceived notions and judgemental attitudes in my way.
Wise words there Billy... cheers marcos69 Just listening again. I love this tune!
Haha! Thanks Mark... You are a glutten for punishment BenMMusTech Well I'm impressed with the mix...you understand how to carve out a place in the master for the kick drum...
Wow! Ben, thanks for that compliment dood... I'm still winging it much or the time, but yeah, I must be learning something along the way. I think if I shown you pictures of my EQ settings you would shudder with horror LOL. I'm so pleased you found time to listen and at least managed to get half way through M81 And thanks again to everyone who has listened, even if you haven't commented... M81 is up to 59 listens in just two days... That has never happened to me before LOL cheers andy
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Just love it Andy, great tune
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ohgrant Just love it Andy, great tune
Hi Grant I'm glad you like my new tune... Thanks for taking the time to listen cheers andy
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By the way peeps, if anyone finds it difficult to get through an eight minute electronic music toon, I've created a basic video to accompany it and you can watch it here:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvw83e9jKF8 Video was created from time lapse images taken in my back garden, looking up to the sky. All put together and using simple effects and titles in Windows Movie Maker. Funny thing is, every now and then, a jet airliner will pass across the sky
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Amine Belkhouche
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Hey Andy, The way the piece grew, amazing. I think you did a really good job at moving this piece along. I don't think what you accomplished is easy, by no means. You managed to introduce this complex texture from the beginning, with a number of parts fulfilling a number of relatively steady roles in the arrangement. I love how this texture exists for the duration of the piece, but you develop and work with this texture by carefully controlling dynamics, timbre, harmony and some very interesting passages of melodic activity. The contrast between the melodic parts in the brass and flute sounding patches and the other more pitched percussion/plucked parts was also a very nice touch, the way you worked with that throughout the piece really helped it move along. You used automation really well to also build some really nuanced points of tension and release, with the dynamics rising then backing off a bit, then doing the same but over different length of time and with different orchestration. I actually liked how the piece dies out, fading away. It shows that you pushed yourself musically, I'm sure it was rewarding to finish the track. Awesome job.
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Amazing Amine... I mean, all the comments above, and yours too, it's just amazing and I am so, well... lost for words right now. Thanks for listening Amine, and your comments. I'm grinning so much now
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beautifully executed. 8 minutes of evolving background music is something I would struggle to put together
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Well done - a great mix of synthetic textures constantly morphing across a beautiful sound space - good job!
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whack beautifully executed. 8 minutes of evolving background music is something I would struggle to put together
Hi Cian Thanks for listening dood... I hope you got through it okay... thegaltieribrothers Well done - a great mix of synthetic textures constantly morphing across a beautiful sound space - good job!
Hiya Thanks for taking the time to listen to M81 cheers andy
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Hi Andy - I enjoyed this. Clean mix, and especially liked the plucking sequences, nicely panned too. Interesting approach to the reverb - this cathedral preset, what's its decay time? It certainly doesn't come across as muddy through reverb, so you have not overdone it. Also thanks for all the info on how the song was constructed. So you are basically mixing and mastering all in one session? I might add a little mastering compression, just to tame a few peaks.
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Hi Steve, Thanks for listening to M81, and I'm glad you enjoyed it ULTRABRA Interesting approach to the reverb - this cathedral preset, what's its decay time?
Here's a screenshot of my Breverb VST:- It's almost an echo, with three second delay. This is as per the preset, I have not done anything at all with the preset except zero the dry mix. What I do then is reduced each send to -4.4dB for any bass instrument (because, as I understand it, reverb on bass can cause this muddiness, but I might be wrong there, so don't quote me LOL), and -2.9 dB on each other part, except for the drums, because I use a send to the reverb from the drum buss itself and that is set to -4.4 dB, and finally, the buss that I use to parallel compress the drums also goes to the reverb buss, but at -7.7dB. I have to say, this is all experimental and based totally on what I think I can hear, rather than solid knowledge and experience. Yes, I have been doing this a long time, but it is only recently that I have seriously get to grips with proper mixing and mastering. ULTRABRA So you are basically mixing and mastering all in one session?
Of a fashion, I suppose I am. I know you shouldn't master until you are happy with the mix, and that is how I used to work in the past. But I am currently adding basic mastering tools to the master buss straight away, although I may not actually start to tweak any of their settings until much of the composition and mixing is almost complete. Then I spend time sculpting individual EQ's while keeping an eye on SPAN on the master buss, and tweaking the overall EQ and limiter settings on the fly. ULTRABRA Also thanks for all the info on how the song was constructed.
Ha! Steve! Did you read it all?? Well done if you did LOL... Took me hours that did haha Thanks again for listening and reading cheers andy
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I think this is the best thing I've heard from you. I picture James Bond (Daniel Craig) driving up the M1. Thinking deep spy thoughts. In this Aston Martin: Definitely not Johnny English. The most interesting thing in the mix was the kick drum, which I thought stood out really well. Or is it a bass? Maybe you should provide a few details? :) cheers. really nice work! -Tom
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emeraldsoul I think this is the best thing I've heard from you.
Blimey! Tom, thanks a lot for that... I've got another one of those stupid grins on again. It does appear that I have sort of excelled myself with M81, given the comments above. emeraldsoul Maybe you should provide a few details?
Haha... You'll have to sift through that seven page dossier I wrote... It's up there somewhere Thanks again for listening Tom, and you comments cheers andy
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I briefly glanced at that post, and thought it's better to save that for my vacation.
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