Zlartibartfast
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/19 10:18:12
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it's that zipper noise we have spoken of. It can only be heard when recoding very quiet tracks. I did not hear it for a long time, since I record fairly loud and bombastic music. In the case of my laptop, I it is much worse - using the track-pad, it's unbearable - using an external mouse, it's about the same as the desktop, and using the little G-spot controller in the center of the keyboard, it is almost inaudible. As a rule I only use keyboard commands when I'm tracking, so I'm not concerned about it
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Guitarmech111
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RE: M-Audio audio card owners: No joy for SATA audio
2005/01/19 10:33:20
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Count me in if you need concerned users. This is stopping me from going SATA.
I have a delta1010.
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Zlartibartfast
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RE: M-Audio audio card owners: No joy for SATA audio
2005/01/19 11:09:23
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so Conley, have you tried SATA and had problems, or have you stayed away from it becuse other folks had problems? I'm trying to get details from people who are now or have in the past been unable to get it working properly, to give M-Audio enough info so they can work on the issue
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/19 20:41:40
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ORIGINAL: losguy
That's the way the ball bounces. But hey, by then, you'll get even better technology. What a deal. I'm not complaining. I like Sonar 1. I think it's very cool. I agree, the longer I wait, the better the program gets. What's this about MME drivers? You can't get WDM working with the FW410? Or am I missing something about SONAR 1.3.1? I either get no sound or profoundly terrible sound with WDM. It's been quite some time, but I plyed with latencies, buffers, etc... Sonar 1 and my FW410 just don't party nicely when WDM is involved. Sonar 3 had no such hang ups, however.
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Thomas Campitelli
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/19 20:44:33
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ORIGINAL: Zlartibartfast
it's that zipper noise we have spoken of.
Someone else suffers from this? That's great! I mean, it's not great, but I thought that my speakers weren't properly shielded or something. Perhaps there is another reason. I no longer feel so alone.  Zlart, thanks for your efforts on the M-Audio front.
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RE: M-Audio audio card owners: No joy for SATA audio
2005/01/20 08:59:10
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have you stayed away from it becuse other folks had problems? This one... I read about the horror stories so I haven't upgraded. I am seriously thinking about it now though because the 64-bit Athlon combos are getting much cheaper.
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Zlartibartfast
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RE: M-Audio audio card owners: No joy for SATA audio
2005/01/20 13:04:08
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I believe you have good results if you select a chipset with the SATA controller truly integrated into it, rather than a bridged design like I have. More folks are getting great performance from SATA than those that are not (such as myself)
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/20 16:21:36
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FWIW: I'm a Delta 44 owner. I had some problems with SATA when I first got my MOBO but nothing for over a year now. As I recall I acted on Losguy's advice and made sure that the Delta and SATA PCI's were not sharing INT's with any other devices.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/20 17:37:58
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ORIGINAL: Jay Stephen
FWIW: I'm a Delta 44 owner. I had some problems with SATA when I first got my MOBO but nothing for over a year now. As I recall I acted on Losguy's advice and made sure that the Delta and SATA PCI's were not sharing INT's with any other devices.
That's because you were fortunate enough to get a MOBO with a SATA controller built directly into the i875 chipset.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/22 08:09:16
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I have an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe on my personal DAW Against good advice I am using this board, even though you cant disable the SATA in the bios, there is a jumper on the motherboard that can be set to disable it.(that's what I did and don't have any real problems now) Doug
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/22 16:25:27
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Thanks Losguy! I'm grateful for the "unmerited favour" <><
SLAGDUMP2003 - I'm guessing Sudbury...............?!
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losguy
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/22 20:03:44
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ORIGINAL: Jay Stephen
Thanks Losguy! I'm grateful for the "unmerited favour" <><
Duh, I must have missed the part back there where you said you acted on my advice. Well then, well done sir, and now I'm doubly glad that it worked out for you!
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/22 20:54:05
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My only problems with Delta1010 and SATA are rare, random dropouts with error messages that say "The entire audio file could not be saved. This could be due to a full hard disk." or something of the sort. However, I have 150 GB free!
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/01/25 08:03:59
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ORIGINAL: slagdump2003
there is a jumper on the motherboard that can be set to disable it.(that's what I did and don't have any real problems now)
Doug
I'm going to check that out in the owner's manual. That might be the answer to my problems.
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Freakwitch
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/02 20:46:02
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My long, sad story: Abit AN7 mobo, athlon 2800. MAudio Delta 1010LT. Sonar 3.1.1 producer. Everything worked fine with my one IDE disc. I added a SATA150 disc, using the onboard SATA controller, and got the pops and clicks. Interestingly, the pops and clicks were still there, even when I was recording onto the original IDE drive. When I uninstalled the SATA drive, the pops and clicks went away. I tried messing with the IRQs (thanks WindozeXP for being idiotic about this). My problem, I think, is that my mobo wants my soundcard to go into PCI slot 4, but the soundcard won't physically fit into that slot, because there are capacitors mounted on the mobo that prevent me from sliding the 1010LT all the way in. So I removed the SATA drive and ordered this external enclosure in which to install the SATA drive, and connect it via firewire or USB2. That enclosure should be here tomorrow, and I will be happy. He said hopefully. The thing that pisses me off is that this pops and clicks issue with SATA brought my studio to a grinding halt for over a month while I tried to figure it out. What a pain.
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RE: M-Audio audio card owners: No joy for SATA audio
2005/02/03 15:17:43
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chipset with the SATA controller truly integrated into it, Which would be what??
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losguy
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RE: M-Audio audio card owners: No joy for SATA audio
2005/02/03 15:47:49
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ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
chipset with the SATA controller truly integrated into it,
Which would be what??
Some that come to mind: Intel i865 or i875, or for Athlon64, nVidia nForce3 or nForce4. But there could possibly be others...
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/03 20:59:38
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ORIGINAL: Freakwitch
My long, sad story:
Abit AN7 mobo, athlon 2800. MAudio Delta 1010LT. Sonar 3.1.1 producer. Everything worked fine with my one IDE disc.
I added a SATA150 disc, using the onboard SATA controller, and got the pops and clicks. Interestingly, the pops and clicks were still there, even when I was recording onto the original IDE drive. When I uninstalled the SATA drive, the pops and clicks went away.
Hi Freak, that is indeed a sad story, but for the good or the bad of it, you are not alone. I checked the manual for the AN7 and yes indeed, it has an nForce2 chipset with a Silicon Image SiI3112 SATA controller. That, coupled with your M-Audio card and SATA woes, makes you an ideal candidate for this thread. Could you possibly send Zlart a text dump from running msinfo32.exe on your system? It would of course be best if you could put the SATA drive back in, at least temporarily, so that it's configured exactly the way it was when the trouble occurred. But even just snapping an image of your system the way it is now (with some explanation to go with it) would be very helpful. I tried messing with the IRQs (thanks WindozeXP for being idiotic about this). My problem, I think, is that my mobo wants my soundcard to go into PCI slot 4, but the soundcard won't physically fit into that slot, because there are capacitors mounted on the mobo that prevent me from sliding the 1010LT all the way in. Now that really stinks. Why do they do this? Bad combination of circumstances. So I removed the SATA drive and ordered this external enclosure in which to install the SATA drive, and connect it via firewire or USB2. That enclosure should be here tomorrow, and I will be happy. ... He said hopefully.
I'd be interested in knowing how this works out. Could come in handy sometime. Please report back if you get a chance.
post edited by losguy - 2005/02/03 21:07:23
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Freakwitch
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/03 23:52:54
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Hasn't come in yet. But tracking it on UPS's website indicates it should be here tomorrow. I don't think I'll be able to get you that text dump, sadly. My studio is 20 miles away from my home (good thing I got a laptop recently) and I don't get enough recording time as it is. I don't want to spend time messing with hardware that does not work. I've already lost weeks of recording time to this problem, now that I've discovered a workaround, I want to get back to recording. Not that I'm bitter....  I may be able to get you a text dump of how things are now, though. How do you get a text dump in Windoze? In Linux you just run the command piped into a text file (ie, 'foo | output.txt'). I will definitely let you know how the portable enclosure works out, though. Did I mention I have a new laptop? So this enclosure is an improvement on 2 folds, 1) no pops and clicks (hopefully) and 2) portable data.
post edited by Freakwitch - 2005/02/04 00:08:14
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losguy
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/04 00:05:23
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ORIGINAL: Freakwitch
I don't think I'll be able to get you that text dump, sadly. My studio is 20 miles away from my home (good thing I got a laptop recently) and I don't get enough recording time as it is. I don't want to spend time messing with hardware that does not work. I've already lost weeks of recording time to this problem, now that I've discovered a workaround, I want to get back to recording.
Not that I'm bitter....
Yeah, I can tell.  Seriously, once you get things working and you're happy, it'll take a few seconds to do it. Just msinfo and paste it in an email to Zlart: O K @ austinpowerplant DOT com I will definitely let you know how the portable enclosure works out, though.
That would definitely be cool. Again, hope that it works out.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/08 15:48:34
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OK, just a quick update.
The portable HD enclosure mentioned above came in, and I installed my Western Digital 160GB SATA drive into it. I used USB 2.0, and my laptop recognizes it, and can read and write freely to the drive. Cool!
I haven't yet tried it with Firewire, nor have I tried running sonar from the external drive in real time. But at the very least, I can use this drive as a backup, and work from the internal drives I have on the studio box and on my laptop.
So for now, I'm happy, and it can only get better from here.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/09 00:46:29
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Another update. I have now successfully used this Addonics enclosure with Sonar. I hooked it up to the laptop via USB2.0, and ran Sonar in real-time reading directly from this SATA drive mounted in the enclosure. The project I was using had 1 DXi, several instances of sonitus:fx compressor, 2 MIDI tracks, and 10 audio tracks, 2 of which were recording and monitoring in real time. My disk meter never went above 7%. Then, for the big test. I hooked it up to the studio computer -- the one that didn't like the SATA driver -- via Firewire. Worked Just Fine. Looks like this enclosure is a workaround solution to the SATA problem of pops and clicks. Cool! Definitely worth another $90!
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losguy
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/09 10:10:39
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ORIGINAL: Freakwitch
Then, for the big test. I hooked it up to the studio computer -- the one that didn't like the SATA driver -- via Firewire. Worked Just Fine.
Looks like this enclosure is a workaround solution to the SATA problem of pops and clicks. Cool! Definitely worth another $90!
And for that ingenious workaroud, you will now receive what really matters... ..\D an illustrious hat-tip from the losguy. You have earned it, sir.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/09 10:14:38
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Zlart, while I'm passing out awards, I thought I'd recognize your efforts with SATA and M-Audio. I mean, if you can tilt at windmills and not lose heart, the least that I can do is: ..\D tip my hat for your honorable work here, advancing the awareness of important hardware and driver issues for SATA-based DAW users. Congratulations! [Edited for typo]
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Freakwitch
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/02/09 10:30:54
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While we're tipping our hats, losguy, anyone with a SATA drive for audio should be tipping their brim your way, starting with your 'reclaiming SATA for audio' thread. Thank YOU for all your work, and for sharing it with all of us.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/11/08 18:59:59
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I have a delta 44 and the sil3112 running two sata hdds and have huge problems with clicking etc. I already made a post in the reclaiming SATA thread but i'll post my msinfo thing to Zlartibartfast ASAP. Just tell me if i should write m-audio myself aswell.
/Georg
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/11/11 18:51:46
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I 've been running a DAW on the Ga7N400 Pro motherboard for a couple years. This has the oft maligned sil3112 chip, but the real culprit is the gigraid ide raid chip. I had to get a modded bios to get both raid controllers to work. Ironically, the firewire on this board is useless to me. Ironically, because that is why I bought it. It has the Via firewire chip which MOTU hates and apparently, Maudio likes.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/11/12 10:08:23
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I just added a SATA drive to my DAW fitting all the problems here...
A7N8X Deluxe... M-Audio Delta 1010...
Except I'm not planning on using it for audio tracking, even though it's quite a bit faster than my WD800JB PATA audio drive. First, I've never come close to being disk bandwidth limited, and second, with all this noise about problems, I just don't want to find out it doesn't work.
The bastard SATA controller popped up sharing the same IRQ as my 1010 of course. I'm not sure which PCI slot my 1010 is in but I've got no motivation to tear open the DAW at the moment. So for now, the SATA controller is disabled in my DAW OS and used only in my general purpose OS for file storage and such.
So far so good.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/11/12 11:40:05
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A happy Saturday morning to you, Mr. Wogg (and I suppose, happy 2-year anniversary on the ol' forum, too). The bastard SATA controller popped up sharing the same IRQ as my 1010 of course. I'm not sure which PCI slot my 1010 is in but I've got no motivation to tear open the DAW at the moment. So for now, the SATA controller is disabled in my DAW OS and used only in my general purpose OS for file storage and such. Yes... you went for the software-level solution. The 1010's probably in slot 3 (if I remember the PCI IRQ map right...) so if you ever even want to bother, just move it over by one, to either slot 2 or slot 4. Beyond that, you could try your luck with ASIO4ALL... someone with the dreaded SiI-MAudio glitch did have some success with it over on the Reclaiming SATA thread. But unfortunately, the only real workaround (so far) for SATA audio in this case is to put the SATA drive on USB2 or FW.
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RE: Delta Owners Unite!
2005/11/12 12:53:37
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A happy Saturday morning to you, Mr. Wogg (and I suppose, happy 2-year anniversary on the ol' forum, too). Why thank you kind sir It's been two years?!?! My HDD cage fan is starting to make noise on me so I may tear it down today to replace that... in which case I'll move the Delta a slot over. I'm still planning on sticking with the PATA drive for tracking. You suppose enabling the SATA device won't cause a problem when I get it off the same IRQ?
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