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Beagle
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It's based on X1 and looks a lot like it. it includes the Heads Up Smart Tool, the skylight browser - some important inclusions (from my perspective) are the integrated per track EQ, inclusion fo Sonitus EQ (since it's a separate line in the chart, I'm assuming it's the DX version that can be placed into an FX bin), Full Soundcenter (no difference between boxed and download version this time), and the already mentioned Smart Tool (it's actually pretty cool when you learn to use it). I wonder if they've taken away some of the functionality like they did with sonar? for example, in sonar you can no longer right click on a wave form to get to the properties, you have to go to the Track Inspector. also, a lot of the keyboard hot keys were remapped - I suspect that will be the case for MC6 as well since Samara said it was based on X1 engine.
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Beagle
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oh - and they added the Matrix view - that wasn't in MC5, I don't think. I don't ever use it myself, but it's a good tool for someone who uses that type of editing.
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BJAMMIN1969
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Wow I was just going to start learning MC5 this weekend... Am I wasting my time now? Should I go ahead and fork out the $49 and upgrade or should I learn 5 first?
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If you plan to buy MC6 then I would not waste my time on MC5 because MC6 is designed like X1 (from what I've seen and read) and X1 is different from the previous workflow. they've changed functionality and hot key mapping so learning MC5 now would be a wasted effort if you upgrade to MC6 soon.
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oh - and they added the Matrix view - that wasn't in MC5, I don't think. To enable the Matrix view, do I take the red or the blue pill ???
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Since it's designed on X1, and they said X1 changed everything, does that mean this changes almost everything? The thing I noticed right away is that is it w7/64 compatible.
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Beagle
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Tap oh - and they added the Matrix view - that wasn't in MC5, I don't think. To enable the Matrix view, do I take the red or the blue pill ??? only YOU can decide that...
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You know if might have been nice if they had mentioned to me they were coming out with a new version when I bought MC 5 a few days ago. Has anyone heard whether it will be possible to purchase an upgrade to MC 6 from MC 5 ? Actually I'm pretty pissed off right now about this....... Anyway, my Avidinterface is supposed to arrive sometime tomorrow so hopefully I can see if I can get MC 5 to work with no latency. Peace, TED
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I'd give them a call... to the sales line and ask if you can return MC5 or get a reduced price on MC6. To me that does seem kind of "sudden". Most companies announce a pending release of a new product several weeks or months ahead. I haven't seen it, so I can't speak about it, but I do know that I don't like the way 5 looks. the layout to me is hard to deal with. So I have continued to use 4. Since 6 has W7/64 compatability, I might have to take a closer look if I decide I want or need the new OS on my DAW..... it would allow the machine to access more memory.
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+1 to what guitarhacker says. usually companies are sympathetic to users who just recently purchased the older version right before a release. The biggest gripe I have about MC5 GUI and now MC6 is that you can't resize the tracks vertical height lower than what you see in the screen shots on the website above. that makes for difficult editing/mixing when you have more than ~4 -5 tracks to process. track folders would help with that tremendously and I would probably not be nearly as critical of the minimum height of the tracks if folders were an option so that I could group them into folders. of course, I'd want the folders to be collapsable to the small size that MC4 and all of Sonar does as well (very small vertical height).
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Samara Krugman
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Beagle +1 to what guitarhacker says. usually companies are sympathetic to users who just recently purchased the older version right before a release. The biggest gripe I have about MC5 GUI and now MC6 is that you can't resize the tracks vertical height lower than what you see in the screen shots on the website above. that makes for difficult editing/mixing when you have more than ~4 -5 tracks to process. track folders would help with that tremendously and I would probably not be nearly as critical of the minimum height of the tracks if folders were an option so that I could group them into folders. of course, I'd want the folders to be collapsible to the small size that MC4 and all of Sonar does as well (very small vertical height). Hi all, @drumminfool - please do contact our customer service department. @Beagle - you can absolutely re-size the track vertical height in MC6 to whatever you want - same as you can in SONAR X1. We didn't change anything there. Track folders are also included in MC6 (and they are also in MC5). Let us know if you have any additional questions. Cheers,
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Beagle
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Samara - wooo hoo! that is awesome news! I did not like the MC5 and SHS7 minimum track height at all. it was a real pain in the...well. you know. I guess I didn't realize track folders were in MC5 (I don't use it much since I have SX1P as well) but that's a great bonus as well! thanks for the update!
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Mattstream
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!! WOW I just recently purchased SONAR X1 Studio for $150 USD because when I bought MC5 about a month ago it could only record 2 tracks simultaneously and now MC6 comes with an esscence of both? you have to be kidding me..i am going to rip all my hair out now
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
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Mattstream, Music Creator 6 still only records a maximum of 2 tracks simultaneously.
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Beagle
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Mattstream - Seth is correct - look at the comparison chart that Samara put up in the top of the forum with the announcement about MC6. here - this is the link to the comparison chart that Samara had in that thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/download.axd?file=0;2353369 it still shows MC6 only allows 2 simultaneous inputs - which is fine for a $50 program, IMO!
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Guitarhacker
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk ] Mattstream, Music Creator 6 still only records a maximum of 2 tracks simultaneously. What more do you need.... well.... if you're a one man band/songwriter like me anyway?
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Beagle
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This is AWESOME! It's almost exactly like X1, just limited. the skylight is limited, but still a very useful tool. the HU smart tool works just like X1, the tracks can be resized to be as small as the track name!!!! YAY!! that's SUCH a big deal to me!!! it has AIM assist!!! the control bar has a few icons on it that are not available in X1 - some that I thought were necessary and should not have been removed! it even has SCREENSETS!!!! very cool! if MC6 wasn't limited to 2 simultaneous inputs, limited tracks, buses, FX and synths and limited to 32bit audio engine then I'd use it instead of X1!
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Beagle
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what I don't like so far: I don't like that they hide the Master bus from most screensets and normal template. what are they thinking there? the master bus is extremely important, even for newbies. they need to know to route their signal thru the master bus or they might start using the soundcard as their output and will start summing at the soundcard. bad news. I don't like that you can't preview the waveform of the bus. I'm a track view person - I love to see the waveforms! OH - and the big thing - I can't register it! they don't have an option on the registration page for MC6 yet.
post edited by Beagle - 2011/07/30 09:11:09
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Guitarhacker
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Beagle... now you are getting me curious..... I might have to spring the jing.....($50 ain't bad) ... and upgrade... in a few weeks. It's backward compatible to my current DAW OS... so....... Just read the info...and it does look tempting. It would of course, be the box version.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2011/07/30 09:08:42
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Beagle
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the box version doesn't include anything the download does EXCEPT the DVD's, which of course is a big concern. I plan to make backup DVD's of the download I got. however - don't be fooled into thinking it's an update of MC4/MC5! MC6 is very much like X1, which is a big learning curve before you can really get into it. it's workflow and functionality is very different from previous versions. however, once you get into it, I think it's better with a few exceptions. I don't like that most of the one click icons are gone, I don't like that you can't right click on waveforms to change stuff (you do that in the track inspector only now). but the rest of the functionality makes it worthwhile IMO. the Smart tool is VERY powerful and once you learn it - it's very cool!
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From what i see if I were going to go that route, i would go for X1 essentials instead. Is it not $99 upgrade for cake users? Then you get everything in MC6 and more, plus a softer upgrade to producer in the future.
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X1 essentials.... man, you're trying to get me to spring for the full flagship DAW..... aren't you?
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Beagle
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he has a point. essentials is only $69 for MC5 customers. MC6 is $49. so for $20 more you get unlimited skylight 64 audio tracks instead of 32 unlimited midi tracks instead of 128 unlimited simultaneous I/O instead of 2 16 buses instead of 8 64 audio plugins instead of 24 32 softsynths instead of 8 max sampling rate 192kHz instead of 48kHz Studioware support CAL support OMF Support Integrated Track Arpeggiator FX Chains Clip FX Bins Side Chaining Dim Solo Exclusive Solo Destructive editing: Remove Silence Fade Envelope Reverse Scale velocity Retrograde deglitch fit to time fit improvisation video output to firewire Step sequencer that's a lot of difference for only $20 difference in price.
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Samara Krugman
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Beagle OH - and the big thing - I can't register it! they don't have an option on the registration page for MC6 yet. Beagle, I just checked the registration page and you can indeed select MC 6 from the drop down menu from the registration page. If you continue to have problems registering please contact customer service on Monday. Cheers,
Samara Krugman Product Manager Cakewalk
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Beagle
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Thanks, Samara - I had sent Willy an email and he said it was fixed earlier today.
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I will have a serious look at X1 essentials when I get back from vacation.... BTW...where is the link/page that says $69 for MC owners?
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Yeah... I went looking and found it.... I will have to do that early in the morning of the day I plan to DL it.. 4.6g will take a while. So when no one else is home to load down the bandwidth..... start it and fix a pot of coffee. I think I will do this upgrade.... before the end of August. X1 essentials is 32 bit so that will work. And the price is right.
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