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MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
I'd appreciate if somebody could verify this from your end. I decided to go for 246 to address the Staff view note duration issue, now the MIDI In/Out are totally messed up. Issue- -Project containing several VST's instruments, and a few separate MIDI tracks controlling external keyboards/sound modules. MIDI interface is Cakewalk's UM-3G (x2). -On one of the individual MIDI tracks, I select input to "None" and it incorrectly showns as "Omni". Click on "IN" again, it actually shows the pop-up menu as "None" selected, as supposed to be. Furthermore, the input is in actuality assigned to "Omni", on my external keyboard controller. - Now, go to pick MIDI channel 1 on the external controller, and SONAR shows "None" assigned. - Tried next input instrument in the list, pick Ch. 1 for that instrument, and it seems to point to Ch.1 for the previous instrument. It seems somebody messed up an list index in the programming code... Cannot formally report as Issue Reporting is off-line until Apr 29.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/24 18:35:27
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you're thinking that this worked differently before the 246 quickfix?
AFAIK it's always worked this way. I just double checked Sonar 8.5 before I posted and it does it there.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/24 20:44:30
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Just went back to 242 and it does works slightly differently. But you're right Beagle, it was already faulty to begin with, I had not noticed. Every channel assignment follows what you select on 242, as opposed to 246 which is more like selection+1. However, it is the "None" option that gets incorrectly assigned to "Omni", on both 242 and 246.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/24 21:02:02
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Did you fill out a "bug report" on this? I hope so.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/24 21:06:38
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Noticed this yesterday. Today went to create a Problem Report and as I said above, there is a message saying: "...is temporarily closed while we get caught up and improve things a bit - we are anticipating service to be fully restored by April 29, 2011.
The Cakewalk Team."
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/24 22:10:59
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I think this has been going on since the b patch?
I did submit a problem report but they said I was the only report.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/25 00:30:34
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The X1 manual for the midi input widget says: • None. This option actually sets the Input field to Omni. With this setting the track will respond to any MIDI input coming in on any port (MIDI interface input driver) on any channel.
That should be no excuse for the other behavior you're seeing.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/25 01:15:27
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I've been having problems like this since x1. At times especially DimPro will lose it's ability to respond on any channel or omni. Setting input to all chan omni results in positive midi messages but nothing from Dimpro. Setting input to Remote SL 1 shows omni in input field but no sound. Setting input to None shows Omni and everything sounds ok...!!!!
Most of the time Rapture is ok. It is a little less random in 246 but DimPro still acts out.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 11:43:20
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The X1 manual for the midi input widget says:
• None. This option actually sets the Input field to Omni. With this setting the track will respond to any MIDI input coming in on any port (MIDI interface input driver) on any channel.
That should be no excuse for the other behavior you're seeing.
BVideo, That's a great catch, I did not realize that was explicitly mentioned on the manual. Much appreciated. It does not make sense to me at all though. I need MIDI tracks w/ not input at all as I write the music (or try to) directly on Staff View. Its been a few days away from the PC, will have to recheck what happens right when you create a brand new MIDI track, I get the impression the input is not automatically assigned or defaulted to anything (OMNI). Which would make a lot of sense. Or am I missing something?
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 12:14:03
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Gusfmm
bvideo
The X1 manual for the midi input widget says:
• None. This option actually sets the Input field to Omni. With this setting the track will respond to any MIDI input coming in on any port (MIDI interface input driver) on any channel.
That should be no excuse for the other behavior you're seeing.
BVideo,
That's a great catch, I did not realize that was explicitly mentioned on the manual. Much appreciated.
It does not make sense to me at all though. I need MIDI tracks w/ not input at all as I write the music (or try to) directly on Staff View. Its been a few days away from the PC, will have to recheck what happens right when you create a brand new MIDI track, I get the impression the input is not automatically assigned or defaulted to anything (OMNI). Which would make a lot of sense. Or am I missing something?
They should have clarified in the Reference Guide that this is a side-effect of having Always Echo Current MIDI Track enabled. If you disable that setting in MIDI Preferences, you can set MIDI track inputs to None, but you'll have to manually enable Input Echo on tracks you want to hear while rehearsing/recording.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 14:08:24
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Trying to set up some templates and running into this problem of not always being able to set midi inputs and outputs to the settings I want. Seems especially troublesome with using a synth's midi output. Trying to select an instance of Kontakt for midi out and I get a random assignment from the available options, lol. Tried it with force midi echo both enabled and disabled. Just when I was set on dedicating myself to using a Sonar product for awhile instead of Reaper...
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 14:33:33
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TechLo
Trying to set up some templates and running into this problem of not always being able to set midi inputs and outputs to the settings I want. Seems especially troublesome with using a synth's midi output. Trying to select an instance of Kontakt for midi out and I get a random assignment from the available options, lol. Tried it with force midi echo both enabled and disabled. Just when I was set on dedicating myself to using a Sonar product for awhile instead of Reaper...
TechLo- Did you run QuickFix 246? I rolled back to the original 242 and things seem back to "normal" for me.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 14:34:05
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I'm seeing this peculiar behaviour too and didn't see it before 246. We need a 247 very soon to put it right!
Sometimes I can't select certain midi inputs in my list (I have a fair few) so I'll go into preferences/midi devices, deselect the troublesome ones and attempt to re-enable them, and then either it won't re-select them (clicking apply deselects them again) or the whole program freezes and has to be exited. Sometimes I can get away with simply restarting Sonar which resolves things briefly, other times I have to shut down & restart Windows.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 15:33:10
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I should point out I was using build 245 before and everything was fine then.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/28 18:20:54
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Yeah, 246. :( Spending the afternoon setting up some templates in Reaper now. Oh, the back and forth...
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/29 17:52:52
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stevenpanter
I'm seeing this peculiar behaviour too and didn't see it before 246. We need a 247 very soon to put it right!
Sometimes I can't select certain midi inputs in my list (I have a fair few) so I'll
I have the same problem. And all off a sudden I suffer MIDI latency too!! 247..250.. something .. Please K
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/30 11:40:56
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Same here. After reverting to the 244 Quick Fix MIDI input assignment works again. Filed a problem report.
<Rant on>: I'm glad I don't have to work as a cakewalk dev. This must be some mess of code they have to cope with... <Rant of>
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/30 12:12:33
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KlangboldFiled a problem report. Can you share your recipe for reproducing this? I'm only running two IN ports right now, and they're on the same interface, but I'm not seeing a problem.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/30 15:44:30
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I could not select the last midi device in the list. To get this working again, I had to go back as far as 242 ..
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/30 16:07:50
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Klangbold
Filed a problem report. haoo
Can you share your recipe for reproducing this? I'm only running two IN ports right now, and they're on the same interface, but I'm not seeing a problem.
You don't have to do anything! Just try to select the last midi device on your list and... you can't! I think it's only a problem for those of us who have a lot of devices though. Doesn't happen to me with build 245; I've just reverted back to it to prove the point.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/30 16:43:15
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Running several VIs and an M-Audio 4x4 MIDI interface. The goal is simple: select a MIDI track (either VI or external), record the part, and move on to a new track, using the same MIDI keyboard as a controller each time.
Problem: Multiple MIDI/VI tracks sound when I am recording unless I mute everything but the target track. I never had o do this in Sonar before.
Example: Trying to record an Ivory II part using a Tyros 2 as controller. Unless I solo the Ivory track, I hear all kinds of other instruments sounding.
This may be related to the problem described in this thread, but I am not sure.
I have "Always echo current MIDI track" selected in preferences. Should I turn Omni/All Inputs off on each track, and, if so, how do I do that since what I see in the box is different than what I see when I open up the list of drop-downs?
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/04/30 19:08:19
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I have "Always echo current MIDI track" selected in preferences. Should I turn Omni/All Inputs off on each track, and, if so, how do I do that since what I see in the box is different than what I see when I open up the list of drop-downs? Sounds to me like you also have Input Echo forced on on all those tracks. If this all-tracks-echo problem were a bug, there would be many posts about it.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 02:01:02
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Klangbold
Filed a problem report. haoo
Can you share your recipe for reproducing this? I'm only running two IN ports right now, and they're on the same interface, but I'm not seeing a problem.
You don't have to do anything! Just try to select the last midi device on your list and... you can't! I think it's only a problem for those of us who have a lot of devices though. Doesn't happen to me with build 245; I've just reverted back to it to prove the point.
Okay. I fired up my old MOTU MIDI Express XT, and could only select the last 5 of the 8 input ports (the first three would revert back to None). There seemed to be some port numbering discrepancy, too. The, after rebooting, the MIDI Devices changed order so the MOTU was first, and then I could select any of the MOTU ports, but not the two ports on my 1820m. I didn't try backing out 246, but I did check that 8.5 has no trouble using any of the ports.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 02:30:13
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This is what you get for complaining about midi cross talk. 
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 06:39:52
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Okay. I fired up my old MOTU MIDI Express XT, and could only select the last 5 of the 8 input ports (the first three would revert back to None). There seemed to be some port numbering discrepancy, too. The, after rebooting, the MIDI Devices changed order so the MOTU was first, and then I could select any of the MOTU ports, but not the two ports on my 1820m. I didn't try backing out 246, but I did check that 8.5 has no trouble using any of the ports.
Thx, brundlefly. I have allmost the same setup: 1820 (without the M) and MOTU micro express. This means that I'm not totally lost.. and loking forward to 1c ... d ... f ?? where this problem will be fixed :) K
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 12:18:02
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This is what you get for complaining about midi cross talk. I was thinking the same thing, initially, but crosstalk was fixed in X1b before any QFs. Could still be related, though.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 14:40:13
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Had the same problem...posted about it somewhere else here...definitely only happened after I installed the last couple of quickfixes...my original post:
Just wondering if anyone is having problems selecting midi inputs after installing the new quickfixes? I installed the first two over X1b and when I go to select my alesis io2 as a midi input for any softsynth, it puts a check mark in the 'none' box...I have to go further down the list and select the first option in the 'preset' rollout which then puts a check in the io2's 'omni' box...does that make sense?
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 16:19:54
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Had the same problem...posted about it somewhere else here...definitely only happened after I installed the last couple of quickfixes...my original post:
One 'workaround' is that if you select "All Inputs" the midisignal from any non selectable but installed MIDI device can be used and recorded. You just have to mute everything else coming in by midi. K
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/01 17:27:07
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brundlefly, About being only able to select only 5 of 8 ports: this may not apply, but Windows can only recognize 10 MIDI devices, and I think it counts each port as a device, even when in the same physical box. 5 ports plus the console and anything else running as a MIDI device could get you to 10 pretty quickly. Just a thought.
Regarding my previous comment, I am not claiming a bug--just trying to understand the most logical way to set things up. I am up and running but having to be careful since some functions work like older versions and some do not.
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Re:MIDI In/Out assignment messed up after 246
2011/05/02 04:59:30
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brundlefly, About being only able to select only 5 of 8 ports: this may not apply, but Windows can only recognize 10 MIDI devices, and I think it counts each port as a device, even when in the same physical box. 5 ports plus the console and anything else running as a MIDI device could get you to 10 pretty quickly. Just a thought.
Regarding my previous comment, I am not claiming a bug--just trying to understand the most logical way to set things up. I am up and running but having to be careful since some functions work like older versions and some do not.
This was true of XP, but in Vista they updated it to 64 devices and in Win7 they upgraded it even further, so it's a case of which OS you're using.
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