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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/09 15:24:45
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I've added "Minor Success" to this thread, because I've managed to get Sonar 64 working, sort of. I wrote to Alesis explaining my problem. Here's the reply: "The IO|2 is a class compliant device meaning it uses the USB codec drivers which are built into the computer’s operating system. These same drivers have been present in every Windows OS since version 98SE. However Sonar prefers the use of ASIO based drivers for best performance. A good free ASIO driver to use with the IO|2 is ASIO4ALL from www.asio4all.com." OK, I admit confusion as to how drivers work. I thought the driver(s) that came with the unit were the ASIO drivers. The Alesis site says the iO|2 works with both 32 and 64 bit systems. - Why does the driver work in 32 bit Sonar but not the 64 bit Sonar? So I went through the ASIO4ALL thing. I had to dial down my recording bit depth so it would match. Once I did that--Sonar didn't crash. I could start a new project. My current project still won't open in it because it has the 32 bit version of Aria in it. A new copy of the project with the 64 bit Aria fixed that. At least I was able to see how the CPU performance would compare.---I have no idea why, but it sure wasn't spectacular. Here are the figures for this particular project: In 32 bit - CPU-averages at 43. Disc-averages at 32. In 64 bit - CPU-averages at 38. Disc-averages at 33. Hmmmm. Not very exciting. Meanwhile, too many plug-ins don't appear in 64's menu. They're listed in the plug-in manager, but aren't available when using the insert dialogue. I guess this means that the ones that don't show up can't even be bridged by Bitbridge. Clarifications, other notes, and more questions: Billy ba_midi - I'd forgotten that I'm Always logged in as the Administrator. That's part of my user profile. I did the Shift re-set thing - No change. That was before I set up ASIO4ALL. Shane - I tried to run that RAM test program you posted, but couldn't find the download link on any page I went to--? - But, I'm using a laptop. If my RAM is kablooey - what could I do about it? The "ntdll.dll" fault message doesn't come up, even when Sonar crashes. I Will get a crash if I try to open the current version of my project that has the 32 bit Aria in it. Aud.ini file--WHAT is the deal? The two versions are sharing the same one. I've asked before but I don't think there's been an answer. They're supposed to share the same one?? How's that possible? Conclusion for now - Totally not interested in trying to use the 64 bit version even though I got it to come to life. There was only a tiny difference in CPU usage, Disc usage was 1 point higher. I want all my plug-ins. I'd say it's been a waste of time, these many hours struggling with this, but it's not been a total waste. At least I know for sure now that 64 bit the way it's working with my sound card and computer makes it a Zero. Thanks for all the replies. Out of curiosity, any more answers to my questions would of course be appreciated. Randy B.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/09 15:39:51
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Thanks for all the replies. Out of curiosity, any more answers to my questions would of course be appreciated. Randy B. Randy, There are those who will jump all over me for saying this -- but ... I've stuck with 32 bit because of the problems I see too many people suffer through. I know some do well with it, and it's apparent that they use a select set of plugins/devices. So good for them. I personally don't have the time to spend debugging the world lol. But, that being said ... it should be obvious to you now that the 'devices/drivers' and the plugins one uses make a BIG difference in the success ratio. I think as long as you are this far in, you might as well go full bust. I personally wouldn't want to use Asio4All as my main driver, but that's just me. Maybe it really does a good job for some. I would continue discussions with your audio device's manufacturer to see what is in development. We all know that a solid audio device with solid drivers is paramount for successful DAW environments. But the other solution is really easy: stay with 32bit for now. I have XP Pro SP3 with 4G Ram (using the /3 switch of course) and just last night was doing a project with: Kontakt 4, Play, Omnisphere, BFD2 and more -- all in one project without freezing. And, without crashing! So is 64bit better? Maybe. More RAM< sure. But headaches -- MORE. If you've got the time to deal with it, great. If not, go back to 32 bit and GET SOME WORK DONE lol
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/09 16:43:21
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Well, Billy, I've said quite a few times on the Forum that I wasn't interested in going to 64 bit, especially after seeing how problems people have with it is one of the most popular topics here. Now I've satisfied my curiosity. I can't be in the market for a new interface, I haven't had this one all that long. Alesis has no other solution except to use ASIO4ALL, something I'd rather not use. I was extremely under-whelmed by the results I got today with 64 bit, I've already RUN back to my good ol' 32 bit Sonar, and I'm happily working on a project. Jerry, thanks for the link. I was there yesterday, and it's just a come-on to buy a program. It looks like it's specifically for replacing this .dll, but it isn't. But that's how I was attacking this problem for most of yesterday - trying to fix that .dll. All I found were come-ons for registry cleaners - I have a bunch of 'em now!--none fixed that. It's just one big boring dud, trying to make it work. Enough of that for now! Randy B.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/09 17:06:52
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It's just one big boring dud, trying to make it work. Enough of that for now! Randy B. Heh, well as you know, there are those who say: 64 BIT ROCKS! And I say: 32 bit works! Work on :) Ps - I strongly doubt your nt dll is the problem.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 13:48:55
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rbowser Shane - I tried to run that RAM test program you posted, but couldn't find the download link on any page I went to--? - But, I'm using a laptop. If my RAM is kablooey - what could I do about it? Randy B. Laptop RAM can be a pita. It is replaceable but there are a lot of variables and you have to replace it with identicle spec chips. Memtest 86 is what a lot of people recommend to test your RAM. You have to download an ISO and burn a special bootable CD-ROM and it takes forever and a day. Windows 7 has a built in memory diagnostics test that is an option if you hold F8 while booting up and it told me in 3 minutes that I had bad RAM. I had run Memtest 86 for 1.5 hours and it found nothing wrong and it wasn't even half done. I let it keep running until it was finished and it never did find anything. I don't know if the diagnostics in Windows 7 is available in Vista ... I've never used Vista. Everyone says Windows 7 is Vista repackaged so I would assume it's in Vista. Can't say for sure. I'm glad at least 32bit is working for you. Maybe this whole x64 thing will be fixed just in time for x128 to come out and then we can be paying guinea pigs for it too. ;) Shane
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 14:10:21
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Hi, Shane - As I said, I could never find a download link for the Memtest you posted. But my whole issue boils down to Asio driver - lack thereof. I find ASIO4ALL a funky solution I wouldn't want to stick with. At least I was able to get Sonar 64 running with it without crashing quite All the time. But my CPU and Disc usage weren't really an improvement - and that was the only thing I was interested in, seeing how much more efficiently I could get projects to run. I'm surprised that Alesis says this interface is for both 32 and 64 bits when their Asio driver only works in the 32 bit version. I wrote to them again saying how funky I think that is - they replied saying if I called they could help me with ASIO4ALL settings that could make things work better than I have it. - No plans to have their own Asio driver for 64 bit apparently. No, I'm perfectly happy with 32 bits. My Sonar's not broken, don't want to fix it. Randy B.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 14:42:46
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What about WDM for the Alesis? Wont that work? If not what is it that is supposed to work in 64 bits?
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 14:49:19
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John What about WDM for the Alesis? Wont that work? If not what is it that is supposed to work in 64 bits? Hi, John - The Alesis won't even show up as an audio option in Sonar 64 until there's some kind of Asio option available for it. So I didn't have the iO|2 showing up on the audio tab until I'd installed ASIO4ALL. And that's a wrapper which accesses the unit's through WDM, not a real Asio driver, as I'm sure you know. What's supposed to work in 64 bits with this unit? According to the two emails I've now gotten from Alesis support, ASIO4ALL is the only option. - That's a "minor" detail they fail to list on their website which says this interface is for both 32 and 64 bits. I've never realized before that people actually buy Asio drivers separately for their units? Yesterday when I was aggravated with ASIO4ALL, I started Googling and saw that if I want to pay $50 I can get an Asio driver that works with this - ? Randy B.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 14:54:16
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I've never realized before that people actually buy Asio drivers separately for their units? Yesterday when I was aggravated with ASIO4ALL, I started Googling and saw that if I want to pay $50 I can get an Asio driver that works with this - ? Hmm, I wouldn't trust those non-branded drivers. If your device doesn't have its own, that is a big problem, but 3rd party drivers may be trojans.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:00:02
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ba_midi I've never realized before that people actually buy Asio drivers separately for their units? Yesterday when I was aggravated with ASIO4ALL, I started Googling and saw that if I want to pay $50 I can get an Asio driver that works with this - ? Hmm, I wouldn't trust those non-branded drivers. If your device doesn't have its own, that is a big problem, but 3rd party drivers may be trojans. Thanks for that, Billy - I wasn't even tempted to buy the driver, but I was surprised to see it available, and at a price I didn't find very attractive. OK, so people Don't buy 3rd party Asio drivers, generally. I was so surprised when I did that experimenting with Sonar 64 bit, to find that there's only one driver for this Alesis unit, and that it's never been updated. The only one available is still version 1.0. And with the info on the site saying the interface is for 32 and 64 bit, it wasn't unreasonable for me to think all this time that this one driver was somehow all I needed for both bits. I've always liked Alesis, solid, American company and all that - But this is nothing but cheesy for them to now say, "Yeeeah, well you gotta use ASIO4ALL if you wanna go 64 bit." Sheesh. Studio budget-wise, I am a Long way from being ready to spend money on yet another interface. Randy
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:18:09
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Thanks for that, Billy - I wasn't even tempted to buy the driver, but I was surprised to see it available, and at a price I didn't find very attractive. OK, so people Don't buy 3rd party Asio drivers, generally. One thing I absolutely hate about the Internet, and I think is extremely dangerous and should be dealt with more forcefully, is this phenonema of "searching" for something (like on Google, Yahoo, etc) and the results blatantly show pirating sites, trojan sites, etc. Almost anything you search for will come up with some of those. This has always disturbed me. While the rush was on to have the greatest "search engines" out there, there was NO rush to protect the public - AT ALL (except when it hits the press when there's a big problem). MANY people have been infected with viruses/trojans/bots, etc. from those kinds of sites. But there's very little public outrage - and NO governmental oversight at all. Everyone is at some risk, always. Be careful out there ;)
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:19:28
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Well in this case I would sue. This is beyond bad behavior.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:20:10
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I've always liked Alesis, solid, American company and all that - But this is nothing but cheesy for them to now say, "Yeeeah, well you gotta use ASIO4ALL if you wanna go 64 bit." Sheesh. PS- that's one reason I stay away from Alesis these days. Yeah, they WERE a good company, but are they now? Debatable.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:27:17
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Thanks for the new posts, Billy and John. You're probably right that the $50 Asio driver I saw was on a BS site, potentially dangerous. And I agree that it's Weird the way all sorts of creepy results can come up during a Google search. That didn't used to happen so much as now. Alesis - For years I used their old hardware sequencer MMT-8. Can you imagine? I had to be dragged kicking and screaming away from it and to a computer. It was so fast and easy to use with hardware synths. TEENy memory, so I was constantly being extremely careful about how much controller data I recorded. YEAH JOHn--I should sue them back to the stone age - or whatever you do when you sue. In those two support emails from them this week, they've pointedly not answered me when I've twice now pointed out how they still advertise this interface as being ready for 64 bit. I guess they could say, "Well, yeah, it's ready if you can find a driver to make it work!" It's a big seller, this iO|2, and the newer slim-line version of it, whatever that's called. Guess I'll have to get on a band wagon to warn people about buying this particular unit. Thanks again. Randy B.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:36:59
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In those two support emails from them this week, they've pointedly not answered me when I've twice now pointed out how they still advertise this interface as being ready for 64 bit. I guess they could say, "Well, yeah, it's ready if you can find a driver to make it work!" I must say you show a great deal of restraint here with a nice sense of humor. I do recommend the CW and Edirol audio interfaces if you need a solid true 64 bit device. I had to give up on an interface I have had for years for the lack of 64 bit drivers. I do not miss it.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:37:04
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It's a big seller, this iO|2, and the newer slim-line version of it, whatever that's called. Guess I'll have to get on a band wagon to warn people about buying this particular unit. Maybe it really does or can work with 64bit, but there might be a specific setup procedure to do so. For example (and I don't know this for a fact, though): if you install BOTH the 32 and 64 bit versions, does it matter in which order they are installed?
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:38:07
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Billy you can't install 32 bit drivers in a 64 bit OS.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 15:59:44
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John Billy you can't install 32 bit drivers in a 64 bit OS. John, yes, I know - what I meant was the order in which SONAR is installed. As I said, I don't know how that would matter or not, but I thought I'd throw it out there ;)
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 16:02:13
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Oh. I am so glad I don't have that problem. I only use Sonar 64 bit. I figure if something wont work in it its not worth the trouble to me to get it to work. LOL
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 16:07:21
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John Oh. I am so glad I don't have that problem. I only use Sonar 64 bit. I figure if something wont work in it its not worth the trouble to me to get it to work. LOL Ha, and that's *exactly* why I haven't gone 64bit *yet* hehe
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2010/06/11 16:36:11
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John, Billy - Thanks for the new posts. Interesting thought, that maybe I should try installing Sonar in the reverse order than I've done so far. I don't relish sitting here being able to not work while testing the theory, but maybe I could try it while I sit here with a book or something. But the emails from Alesis seem to imply that they know the unit has a problem specifically with Sonar. I'm doubting that there's any real fix, just the ASIO4ALL "solution." "...Ha, and that's *exactly* why I haven't gone 64bit *yet* hehe..."----I'm with you on that, Billy. Like I've said before, I want ALL MY STUFF!--I have things because I use them. Depressing to think of not having them. When I have the heart for it later on, I'm sure I'll try to make this work again, and then eventually I'll get a spiffy new interface, sticking with a CW product appeals to me. LAAater. Thanks. Randy
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 17:14:16
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rbowser John, Billy - Thanks for the new posts. Interesting thought, that maybe I should try installing Sonar in the reverse order than I've done so far. I don't relish sitting here being able to not work while testing the theory, but maybe I could try it while I sit here with a book or something. But the emails from Alesis seem to imply that they know the unit has a problem specifically with Sonar. I'm doubting that there's any real fix, just the ASIO4ALL "solution." "...Ha, and that's *exactly* why I haven't gone 64bit *yet* hehe..."----I'm with you on that, Billy. Like I've said before, I want ALL MY STUFF!--I have things because I use them. Depressing to think of not having them. When I have the heart for it later on, I'm sure I'll try to make this work again, and then eventually I'll get a spiffy new interface, sticking with a CW product appeals to me. LAAater. Thanks. Randy Randy, Unless you FEEL like being an explorer/adventurer -- what drives you to want to go 64bit at this time? If you get your work done easily/well in 32bit, why not just wait till the dust settles a little more. I don't understand this rush to 64bit - other than for those who have the time/patience to do so, and who don't care about the bumps in the road to get there.
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2010/06/11 17:19:53
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ba_midi rbowser John, Billy - Thanks for the new posts. Interesting thought, that maybe I should try installing Sonar in the reverse order than I've done so far. I don't relish sitting here being able to not work while testing the theory, but maybe I could try it while I sit here with a book or something. But the emails from Alesis seem to imply that they know the unit has a problem specifically with Sonar. I'm doubting that there's any real fix, just the ASIO4ALL "solution." "...Ha, and that's *exactly* why I haven't gone 64bit *yet* hehe..."----I'm with you on that, Billy. Like I've said before, I want ALL MY STUFF!--I have things because I use them. Depressing to think of not having them. When I have the heart for it later on, I'm sure I'll try to make this work again, and then eventually I'll get a spiffy new interface, sticking with a CW product appeals to me. LAAater. Thanks. Randy Randy, Unless you FEEL like being an explorer/adventurer -- what drives you to want to go 64bit at this time? If you get your work done easily/well in 32bit, why not just wait till the dust settles a little more. I don't understand this rush to 64bit - other than for those who have the time/patience to do so, and who don't care about the bumps in the road to get there. Hi, Billy - I don't understand the rush to 64bit either. I've consistently had the same attitude as you - "Later, mon--I'm too busy makin' music." I do get my work done well in 32bit, and that's why this isn't a disaster for me, this failed attempt at using 64bit. It was just curiosity, after being on the Forum again for these past months. I one decided to run an experiment to see if a project I've been working on would go any more smoothly in 64bit. The track count is mounting up, and I'm at about at my limit with 32 bit, so wanted to see what would happen. Well - I couldn't get past that point. The plug-ins I had in the project wouldn't work, the Aria instances would have to be completed re-done in the 64 bit version of Aria - And then when I finally got 64bit to limp into life with ASIO4ALL, the CPU usage was almost identical, and the Disc usage was worse. End of experiment! Back to work! Randy
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 18:09:18
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Randy I forgot to tell you that there is a tried and true method to get 64 bits working. First you must bow to the west followed by a counter clockwise rotation and bow to the north unless you are in the north which will require you to reverse the procedure above. Then you need to goto the manual and find page 666 where you will subtract 6 from ever third word it the third chapter on that page. If the number is negative you must add 30 and divide by 2. Then assemble the resulting letters into descending order and say the words so produced. Then as you stand over your system with burning incense in your left hand you must hum in a low voice the beginning to the Benny Hill theme song. But only the very first 3 notes. After which you must have a good supply of concentrated fairy dust bought at an authorized retailer. warning; failure to do so could result in destroying any hope of ever going 64 bits with Sonar. Then install the DVDs of the movie Sound of Music on your system to be sure the Julie Andrews is not watching you and frowning down on you. With all this done you should have a working 64 bit Sonar on your system. If not try this in its entirety 3 times in a row. It should work then. Best of luck. Oh most important, all the above must be done in the presents of at least 3 witnesses. More is better.
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2010/06/11 18:11:19
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John Randy I forgot to tell you that there is a tried and true method to get 64 bits working. First you must bow to the west followed by a counter clockwise rotation and bow to the north unless you are in the north which will require you to reverse the procedure above. Then you need to goto the manual and find page 666 where you will subtract 6 from ever third word it the third chapter on that page. If the number is negative you must add 30 and divide by 2. Then assemble the resulting letters into descending order and say the words so produced. Then as you stand over your system with burning incense in your left hand you must hum in a low voice the beginning to the Benny Hill theme song. But only the very first 3 notes. After which you must have a good supply of concentrated fairy dust bought at an authorized retailer. warning; failure to do so could result in destroying any hope of ever going 64 bits with Sonar. Then install the DVDs of the movie Sound of Music on your system to be sure the Julie Andrews is not watching you and frowning down on you. With all this done you should have a working 64 bit Sonar on your system. If not try this in its entirety 3 times in a row. It should work then. Best of luck. Oh most important, all the above must be done in the presents of at least 3 witnesses. More is better. LOL! That was histerical John!
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 18:17:09
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Hey Randy, Just thought I would follow up with you on my "issues" - By the way...as a side note ..I completely agree with you and Billy about the rush to 64 bit...I too did it out of curiosity but what I found was a lot of unrealized potential, many bumpy roads, and too much jumping through hoops to get performance that to my early findings did not justify the efforts at all... however - I consulted with the guys at ADK about the issues I was having - They told me that whenever you load the 64 bit app first it takes over all the registry associations regarding sound and video card drivers..easy to confirm as went I went back and opened Sonar x64 the issue I stated above went away... off course.. I still had all the other little "quips" that 8.5.3 x64 has to offer (by the way - I think Sonar will be great when x64 is ready for primetime..translation - everybody else gets onboard).. so unless I want to uninstall both and then reload just x32 I am going to have to live with it ..small price to pay as like you..I want all my tools available to me and I don't want to be "cringing" every time I open a plug or VSTI that is wrapped in a bridge hoping I don't get an error that forces me to shut down the program.. anyway ..that's the story..I am back to x32 on Win 7 64 bit - very, very nice - I'll just sit tight for a while on Sonar x64... but I am hoping it wont be too long a wait cause it will be cool...just not yet...for me anyway
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2010/06/11 19:41:11
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Ha! This has been a busy thread while I was out. ROFL, John - THANKs for the initiation into the secret X64 ritual--NOW I understand what to do. D K - I knew it before, but once again, I can see I'm not alone in this. Like you, I'm happily working away in my fully functioning Sonar 32bit. Happy. Randy B.
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Re:Sonar 8.3.1 64 bit crash - faulty ntdll.dll
2012/05/10 23:49:40
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What? CPU fan? HD Cable? Memory? All of these have nothing to do with .dll files and their contribution to your operating system. What these users are experiencing are run time errors, and they are most likely due to a windows update of Microsoft Visual C versions. This can happen if the program was based around an earlier Visual C version, and it gets updated to a modern one. This can be fixed if Cakewalk would release a patch, but we all know how that goes. I have had nothing but problems with Sonar 8.5.3 PE, both 64-Bit and 32-Bit versions. I have a very high end PC, with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit, and with Sonar 64 bit I get hangs and crashes several times a day, and they always lead to one final crash that starts as a hang and never comes back. It also always hesitates for 3-4 second leaving me sweating every time I hit play because I don't know if it's going to crash or not. Sonar also leaks ridiculous amounts of RAM until you have to close it and restart it. This is NOT VST related! I ran several tracks RAW, and still got significant leakage, up to 5GB. In 32 bit mode, I get fatal errors usually pointing to one .dll file or another. That is how I know it's not my system. These are shared .dll files that the system uses as well as other programs. Sonar is the only program that does this out of the 30 or so programs at my disposal. My processes are bare bones and it still happens. I am a very experienced computer technician and network administrator, and I've done everything possible to make my PC custom tailored to Sonar's quirkiness. I am NOT looking to bash Sonar at all. It's a real shame, I'm a life long Cakewalk\Sonar user, and I've always put their slight instability aside because I cherished their ingenuity and workflow. But now I'm working on serious projects where I absolutely CANNOT have issues like these happening. Issues like corrupted projects out of nowhere, VST failures randomly out of nowhere, application crashing when hitting play on certain projects out of nowhere with .dll references, then the project is permanently corrupted and I have to re-paste the .wav files into a brand new project and rearrange them, add VSTs again, and mix all over again. VST preset settings resetting every time the project is loaded. Midi controllers refusing to be loaded when there is no other programs locking them up. Including Totalmix, I know all about their background MIDI grabbing. The list goes on and on. I have an 8-core CPU, 16GB of RAM with RAMdisk, 5 hard drives, an RME Fireface UFX, and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX580 3GB Graphics card. My Boot drive is an OCZ Revodrive 3 X2. My recording drive is a WD Velociraptor 600GB 10,000 RPM SATA III. My sample drive is a Samsung SSD with an 860MB\Sec Transfer rate and 85,000 IOPS 4k Random write. If even I have problems, Sonar has a problem, and Cakewalk needs to own up to it and stop passing the buck to everyone else. You guys have the potential to be the best company out there, and you are squandering it by not supporting your product. Your coming out with new versions too soon, instead of making the current one more stable. You could charge more money and release every 3-6 years and people would still flock to you if you have the stability and compatibility. I will work for you and beta test I work cheap I don't care how long it takes. I have enough knowledge of both recording and computer systems to be a valuable consumer asset to you guys. I work at home and have all the time in the world on my hands. I'm not a programmer but I can and will find your issues I have many PC's of all different types and operating systems. And I would also encourage a release on Linux next time. It's the most stable OS out there. Linux programmers would be glad to help you.
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