MIdi bounce to Audio

....lookin for the best [most effective] way to bounce MIDI track to Audio, there seems to be a few ways and the issues that are presenting themselves are I/O issues with the receivnig Audio track  ,,,,thanks in advance for you help Frazzel

Please give some info to make answering possible. Soft synth or hardware? If hardware what kind of audio inteface (for MIDI-out to synth and back as audio)?
Bouncing and freezing of soft synths are so straightforward tasks that I don't understand the question "Which is the best way?".

......MIDI out to synth and back as Audio....why ? all we want to do is bounce the MIDI track already recorded straight down onto the new audio track but when I set up the input to allow the audio track to pick up the MIDI track in stereo the friggin record button goes !!!! so its not that simple or rther it is not 'intuitive' thats all you would do in a recording studio  :  ) appreciate you getting back to us so wots the simple way without going out to synths ?

..Hi Brian.....perhaps it's me but I can;t see how to 'bounce' the track...? sorry if we're being the daftest animals in the zoo ....can you advise the actual mechanics because we seemto be missing something !! Thanks

If using a soft synth:

In Track View, select the MIDI track and the soft synth track using the control key and left mouse button simultaneously.  Click the Track drop down menu near the top and select Bounce To Track (or something similar as I am not at my DAW right now).

Don't forget to feed the some of the zoo animals.

Please tell which part of the bouncing function is unclear to you, and you will be adviced. You're expecting people to start copypasting the manual for you.

You still haven't answered the basic question: Hardware or a soft synth? If you're talking about the GS Wavetable synth that's another story. You should understand it's a very essential info. We can't answer if you can't give the info we need.

I've written this at least once to you already: Do the tutorials and read the manual. You've been all around these forums for several days now expecting to be spoonfed. It's not fair.

Your post #4 and #5 above shows you've not even launched the help files not to mention the tutorials. As said above, you don't  record anything when you bounce soft synths to audio.

Try the search word "bounce" in the Help files. That's how you solve problems. People help the ones who show some effort of trying to help themselves.

.....set up is as follows


data contoller...n2 PC (USB) UA 25 Edirol ...PC Sonar X! Essential (with patches 1a - 1b) softsynth Cakewalk. hope this helps we seem to have not got the Bounce to Tracks availbale to us ,,,mmmmmm

Select all tracks associated with the soft synths. this includes MIDI tracks, audio tracks, track folders and instrument tracks. Then click the track button and select bounce to tracks.

Its a few easy steps. The help file has step by step instructions on this also. if you follow them, it will work. I just checked and followed what it said in the help file and it works as expected

..if you're looking inon the Cakewa;k dev team BIG RED BUTTON push ......dialogue appears

track to bounce selection 3  To track 8  .....as Audio Y/N   BIG GREEN BUTTON....GO ..now thats what I would call simple :  )

Hmm... but of unwarranted hostility in this here thread, I reckon. If it's not for people to ask for help in, then what is it for?

Anyway...

Are you trying to select multiple tracks in the Track view or the Console view? You're better off in the Track view for this task.

Keebo's reply is really all you should need to know.

..John T...dead right...so here's the 'proper'(I we say 'the proper' God knows how many ways this package has)

....detail is what some of these folks need to learn

MIDI to Audio
Bounce:
All sliders down except on track you want to copy
Export..Audio [dialogue appears with your file tree directory]
Save in file (any file will do) we saved as .wav
Open new Audio track in project and select
Go to Import Audio (eg go to the file location you saved the wave file and open)
It down loads into the audio track

Play track as audio........it's not EASY...but that's how it does it an it took us four goes as sometimes it did;t want to download !!!! 

Let's try once more (please, don' answer explaining this and that, just answer the questions) :
1) What soft synth are you using?
2) Are you using simple instrument tracks or separate MIDI- and audiotracks?
3) Are you in the Track View when selecting tracks to be  bounced (not in Console view)?
4) Are you clicking the track numbers when selecting the tracks (not the clip)?

The main problem here is that days have passed and you still haven't given us a clear description of what is your workflow (=what you are doing).

I've never tried bouncing in the Console View, but at this point the only thing I can think of here is that you're in the Console view, and that's what's the problem. Or...you're using the Wavetable synth.

If you are in the Track View and can not select more than one track and can not open "Bounce to track" dialogue, then I haven't got a clue what's going on. But you should really concentrate a little and try to give accurate answers.

we can't find a way to select more than one track the ctrl click does not work so .......

Get a new keyboard with working buttons.
Or you may not be holding the CTL while your clicking each track.
Or your clickin gin the wrong spot.
 
CTL / left mouse click works. If its not, your mouse or keyboard is defective in most cases

Patience please "Our" dear fellows and drop the attitude or help diminishes rather rapidly from those most able to provide assistance. 

It appears your understanding of the use of VST is not quite there yet so that is likely compounding your problems.  The best advice I can give you is to create a new test project and step yourself(ves) through the primary steps to get a better understanding of what needs to be done.  It would appear to me that you have use a "Simple Instrument track" which is likely the most confusing way to start out as it is not simple and can definitely add to the confusion of separation of Midi and Audio.

Try the following: 
1. Create a new test project (normal template is fine)
2. Insert - Softsynth - Cakewalk TTS1
    When the insert box comes up select following boxes: Midi Source, FIrst synth Audio output, and both boxes at the right (Property page, rack view) Leave the ask everytime box checked at the bottom)
3. You now have added a Midi input track and an audio output track. Under the track view menu there is a clock/measure display and to the right of it is a drop down menu  that says all, custom, mix etc. Select all.
4. Expand the track header of the midi track(it will say Cakewalk TTS -1 with the midi plug symbol) with the double up arrow. Adjust the width of the header for this process I am stepping you through so you are seeing exactly what I am describing in the same way. To adjust the header width hover your mouse on the left side of the divider piano keyboard and drag to left so all the boxes(input/output/channel etc are all in 1 vertical column. (drag down the bottom of the  track/bus divider if you are unable to see all the boxes. Then double click in some blank grey area of the header to expand the header to maximum size.
5.  a. In the first box under the volume, pan and velocity slider is the input box.  Insert your midi keyboard/controller. 
    b. The next box is the output.  It will say Ckwk tt11.  (this is where the input from your  midi keyboard(or an importedmanually created midi track) is being sent for interpretation by the VST from midi data  to audio.
    c. Next box is your channel select. Enter 1.Cakewalk tts from drop down menu. (With the TTS1 you have 16 channels you can select from)
    d. Bank is the next box.  With the TTS you can leave it at  ---.(The various bank options  listed affect what instruments are available in the next box.  Each VST has different paramaters/methods for accessing instruments and this box and next may be irrelevant for many VST)
    e. Next box is patch.  You will have a drop down of instruments available.  Select  Acoustic bass from the top of the middle column.  The first column in the TTS GUI should now say Acoustic Bass.
6.  Turn Echo on ))))  (right next to the red record button) This is what allows your Keyboard to be heard through Sonar via the TTS VST when you play  notes on the keyboard.
7  Arm the track(The red button)
8.  Hit the record button in the control bar and record something.  You should be seeing midi notes being entered and hearing what you are playing and it should be an acoustic bass if everything was followed correctly.


So you now have recorded some Midi data.  Rewind hit play and it should play for you.

Let us assume now that you have completed editing and you want to create an audio rendering of what you are hearing, which is really at the center of your question. 
1. In the second row in the Midi track header between the W and A is a *. Hit that and it will convert your Midi data to Audio via the CW TTS and write it to the other track that was created initially.  This is what is referred to as "freezing the synth" , "Bouncing down to audio" and is the simplest way to achieve it.  It can also be accessed via the synth rack.  This instance of the VST will no longer play as it is "Frozen" and converted to audio.

2. Now take a look at the other track you created at the outset, from the "First Synth Audio output" box, and now called Cakewalk TTS with an audio symbol on the track.  There should now be audio data written in the audio track. 


If you got this to work then you now need to apply this to the project you are working on. 
    if you have existing midi data (that in not simple instrument track) then insert a new synth but do no check the midi source box as you already have the midi track.  The rest of the process is based on the above.