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2011/02/12 13:41:30 (permalink)

Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments

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Having bought an MCU Pro today and experimenting for many hours, I was wondering if someone could tell me how on earth you get it to see/interact with vst instruments in Sonar X1?
 
Thanks very much!
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/12 13:48:22 (permalink)
Steve, I got nothin for you so sorry - but did you know there are now 3 feline synth avatars. Wow.

And Fast Biker Boy has an MCU control maybe he can help?

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/12 14:22:52 (permalink)
I think, you have to out it into plugin, mode. However it will only control some plugins. As Larry said FBB is your man. I have a MCU emulation called AC7 core on my iPAD. If I put it into plugin mode it will allow me to control the pro channel EQ, but not compressor, via the rotary knobs. HTH ...a little?

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/12 14:30:54 (permalink)
Ps..... If you open the control surface options menu, then hit f1 it will bring up the Mackie control help in the manual. It's not available any other way I have found..... Is rather hidden!!!!! It's how I learned to use the AC7 and also BCF 2000. HTH

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/12 20:34:31 (permalink)
now i know this isnt what u want to hear but, the mcu by itself isnt that useful as a plugin controller.
i use mine in conjunction with the C4 which is designed for controlling vst and vsti.
 with the mcu you can control four bands of eq, pan, input, output, send levels, pre, post, phase, etc.
it has great transport controls and lots of useful buttons with the sonar overlay.
if u want to control your plugins and soft synths, the C4 is THE BEST because the display shows the current parameters and values.  it automatically maps all vsts.

i love it.  if the prochannel could be controlled with it, i would achieve ZEN.

hope this helps, even if its not great news.
also, i hope someone smarter chimes in and proves me wrong!
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/13 05:28:38 (permalink)
Ok well thanks for all your replies. Looks liken the C4 is the way to go! It will definitely control vst instruments? With X1 under Win7 x64?

STinGA, I love the idea of using MCU emultion on an iPad! I have an iPhone so will be paying a visit to the app store later today!

Humblenoise, will be checking out those new avatars. Watch this space!

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/13 06:18:22 (permalink)
As pointed out you can use the MCU for plugins but the C4 is better.

To get into plugin mode press the 'plugin' button. Once puts you in multichannel mode. In that mode you are seeing the V-Pots control one parameter from 8 different tracks. Of course if there are no plugins on a channel you won't see anything.

Having said that the Prochannel EQ is always plugin number 1 so you'll see that on all audio channels at least, whether it's switched on or not.

Press the plugin button a second time and you are in 'single channel mode'. The P# displayed in the mode window on the MCU will show a period to reflect that you are in single channel mode. (That's true for all modes EQ, Dynamics, etc. etc.)

Once in that mode each of the V-Pots controls a different parameter of a plugin on one track only. A more useful mode IMHO.

To switch through the plugins make sure the 'Edit' light is lit and then press M1 & the channel change button. That will step you through the plugins on that track P1(=EQ). P2 P3 etc..... although of course unless you have a plugin on the track you won't see anything.

The parameters are displayed in the order that they are exposed to ACT (even though it's technically not using ACT) and if you want to change that order you can change the mackiecontrol.ini file see my post here for more details

There are several MCU users here so there's always plenty of help available, just ask.

EDITED: mistake on description of how to step through plugins. M1 key is needed not just channel button.
post edited by FastBikerBoy - 2011/02/13 13:46:48
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 07:41:44 (permalink)
Thanks very much FastBikerBoy. I spent two whole days learning everything the MCU can do and am loving it. Already planning to order an XT, and maybe a C4 if  my savings allow it! I saw your other post to which you referred before seeing this one. That was spectacular! You worked really hard on that one. It will be great when/if Cake expose the compressor and tube saturation parameters. (X1b please!)

Based on your post, I had one small bit of inspiration which I'll try to resolve tonight. I've noticed the MCU's default volume setting is 100, whereas Sonar's default is 101. Small and trivial I know, but would make more sense if the two would match. It must me stored in the ini file somewhere...
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 08:25:21 (permalink)
I have a feeling the C4 is discontinued.... can't find it anywhere...

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 08:44:47 (permalink)
I would not recommend a C4 for controlling VST/VSTis. I would look for a good MIDI keyboard with a lot of buttons and pots and sliders for ACT. CW has a few and so does M-Audio. I have a MC and an M-Audio Keystation Pro 88.

Here is a link for the CW A-800

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 10:46:37 (permalink)
[link=http://www.novationmusic.com/products/midi_controllers/remote_sl_compact]http://www.novationmusic....lers/remote_sl_compact[/link]

I own a Korg Kontrol49. It's awesome in controlling VST instruments....  For both (VST instruments & VST plugins) I'd choose above mentioned Novation Remote SL.

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 14:39:42 (permalink)
Some interesting ideas there. I've already got a collection of nice keyboards (I'm mainly a keyboard player) but I appreciate the suggestions anyway.

If I could take the liberty of asking just a couple more MCU questions:

    1) What does the touch-sensitive abilitles of the faders enable you to do? Mine seem to to nothing in this regard. For example, the Alphatrack, as soon as you put your finger on its fader, updates the display to show the value of the current parameter being edited (usually gain) and I thought the MCU would do the same, but mine does nothing and in fact, in multi-channel mode, there only seems to be one way to display the gain. Is  this how it should be?

Which leads me onto:

    2) How can you get the display to show track gain in multi-channel mode, other than by assigning the v-pots to volume?
post edited by stevenpanter - 2011/02/14 14:41:37

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 16:19:20 (permalink)
1. They make the track the active one when you touch that channels fader without having to actually move it, and also allow you to over ride automation. If you ever use something that isn't touch sensitive and try fighting the automation you'll see what I mean.

2. You can't but you can turn on the channel meters. Not the same I know but better than nothing I guess. Er...... now you're going to ask how to turn on the meters, and I'm not at my DAW and can't remember. I think it's one of the M keys with the value button, but I could be way off. My memory isn't quite what it used to be....... my age I think.

Check the help file - there's a sort of function summary page in it somewhere. Open the MCU properties and press F1.
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/02/14 16:37:52 (permalink)
1) What does the touch-sensitive abilitles of the faders enable you to do? Mine seem to to nothing in this regard. For example, the Alphatrack, as soon as you put your finger on its fader, updates the display to show the value of the current parameter being edited (usually gain) and I thought the MCU would do the same, but mine does nothing and in fact, in multi-channel mode, there only seems to be one way to display the gain. Is this how it should be?
FBB gave the answer as to what they do but in Sonar XXXX you need to tell it to use them in the MC surface dialog. They are not on by default.


With question 2 you need to think of the faders themselves as where the gain is for that channel relative to the others. One good reason to have motorized faders. The meters in the MC are for very gross measurement, if that. A control surface is meant to with a glance tell you what is what, at least the MC is.

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/07/14 11:45:34 (permalink)
This is very late. But for those who read this and don't know. fadersensitivity can be ON or OFF. Not everybody likes it when they touch a fader that the channel is selected. So it is usually an option wich can be ON or OFF.

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2011/07/14 11:45:38 (permalink)
This is very late. But for those who read this and don't know. fadersensitivity can be ON or OFF. Not everybody likes it when they touch a fader that the channel is selected. So it is usually an option wich can be ON or OFF.

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2013/05/17 17:05:36 (permalink)
Hi STinGA or anyone,
 
I just bought a new MCU Pro and downloaded the Quick Start Guide which is useless.
You mentioned opening the control surface options menu, then hitting F1 to get into the help menu.
How do you access the options menu on the Mackie?   I don't see any button for it on the Mackie on the Sonar overlay?
Is this help menu available online somewhere so I can print it out? 
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2013/05/18 02:07:49 (permalink)
The options dialogue is called up by selecting the surface from the Sonar----->Utilities menu.
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2013/05/18 20:38:30 (permalink)
Many thanks Karl!!! 
 
BTW, are you using X-2 with your MCU?
What problems are you experiencing?
Are you able to control all plugins that came with X-2?
 
 
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2013/05/19 01:00:45 (permalink)
Yes I am and there are a few problems since the X series. The main pain for me is no control over the ProChannel modules except for the first one in the chain.

Anything in the FX bin is okay. There is a list of the main ones HERE #3 has now changed from EQ to first in the chain which for me is actually worse.

Hopefully it'll get sorted at some point but i think the Mackie Control for Sonar was written by a third party so who knows.
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2013/05/19 01:23:55 (permalink)
Since we're talking about the MCU, can you use the MCU to trim regions? Like let's say I want to chop down a region from 4 bars to two by editing the start & end points, then turning the new region into a groove clip.

Preferably faster than it would take to do it with the mouse.

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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2014/01/25 20:34:03 (permalink)
Hi to all. i've read the entire post and i didn't find how to control the vst instruments that Steve asked in first place. only vst. Maybe bikerboy can explain how to use it with vstinstruments. i have mcu pro and c4 pro recently adquired. There's nothing about it on manual and on sonar online help manual. Thankx in advance.
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2014/01/26 06:22:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby musicrazy 2014/01/27 17:03:37
I don't think you can control VSTi with it. AFAIK that would need to be done via ACT which you can't do with an MCU. I don't know about the C4 as I don't have one. You'd need to use it in a different mode to Mackie emulation.
 
I use other (ACT) surfaces for VSTi control. Sorry that's probably not much help. Maybe another C4 owner will know different.
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2014/01/27 17:14:28 (permalink)
Hi FastBikerBoy. Thankx for your answer. I really can't understand why cakwalk doesn't develop mackie control at full extension on sonar because it really works well on cubase protools, etc. And why we just have control on plugins and not on instruments? So i have to buy another controller to do automation on instruments when i could controll all with mackie? I have that Controller (novation remote zero) and it's very good, but all i wanted was one controller for all. I thought i could sell my novation, it seems i was wrong. When you read mackie site info about mcu you get the ideia that you could do it.... I guess it's misleading advertising. 
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Re:Mackie MCU Pro / Sonar X1a / VST Instruments 2016/04/11 13:55:01 (permalink)
Excitement!
To control ProChannel EQ, simply drag it to the top of the ProChannel. You get access to EVERY parameter when you do that.  :-O
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