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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/21 23:42:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/04/21 23:47:31
Like 10 years too late
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/22 17:12:34 (permalink)
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Like 10 years too late



AP 7 still working fine. Too bad they don't have a separate midi editing window.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/22 17:29:09 (permalink)
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Like 10 years too late



AP 7 still working fine. Too bad they don't have a separate midi editing window.


Unless they included some ableton killer features, not worth the money. My old acid works fine
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/23 07:16:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry2 2018/12/11 20:19:10
I'd upgrade for $50 for 64bit. Can't justify any more than that personally.

 
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/23 11:16:10 (permalink)
I guess it's live now, but this seems really weak:
 
VST3 support coming soon in a free update

 
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/23 16:44:16 (permalink)
Supposedly Magix reckon we can "experience unparalleled midi sequencing."???

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/24 01:14:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2018/04/24 12:37:56
So I bought the upgrade, more for old times sake than need.  I still love ACID and how it worked and what doors it opened for me.  The new UI isn't all that new or good, it's at best a bad coat of paint.  They seemed to have made little or no changes to how it all works.  If it was awkward or bad in Pro 7.0, it's still awkward and bad in 8. 
 
None of the new plugins seem to work outside of it (though I didn't even try the effects just the VSTis).  There aren't really that many included plugins to be honest, they have a "rompler" and a set of sounds for it, based on Yellow Tools Independence.  It's not very impressive.  A weak synth and a slice player without a lot of features.
 
Video support is limited to AVI and WMV files.
 
The MIDI editor appears to be the same as it was (though my memory isn't that good on the details).
 
It seemed to have a lot of trouble scanning all my Native Instrument plugins.  Had to kill the scanner a few times to get it to go through, but I was able to select each one in the Failed list and rescan it and get them added.  I suspect the problem has to do with Visual C++ Runtimes and or shared libraries.  Oddly enough their own plugins didn't make it through the scan and had to be rescaned.  But again I suspect it's one or more of my other plugins that caused the problem.  The sfvstserver app runs two processes, the first one uses less memory and starts another as the actual scanner.  If that one hangs (it hanged for every NI plugin I have, which is a lot) you can kill it and it will continue on.  Pretty much the same thing I saw with SF12 trial.
 
To get the instruments and loops you have to use a menu item under Help menu, "Download instruments and Loop Collections"  The loops they include aren't very impressive compared to what Sonic Foundry/Sony used to ship.  MAGIX isn't exactly artist friendly with their licensing either.  I'm not even sure I can use any of the loops they include.  They do send you a code to purchase one of five packages on their store, it appears the code works with buying the commercial unlimited use version, which I guess is something.
 
It doesn't really scale to my 4k monitor very well. But then most DAWs don't so I'm not sure I should give them that hard a time over it.  Most of the dialogs and non-main screen are still using classic Windows UI.  It's not really fully themed.
 
The upgrade should have been $49.99 at most.  It is 64bit which I guess is something, but not much more than that.  I'm hoping to find some other minor improvements but so far its all about the 64bit and the bad UI make over.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/24 12:37:51 (permalink)
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The upgrade should have been $49.99 at most.  It is 64bit which I guess is something, but not much more than that.  I'm hoping to find some other minor improvements but so far its all about the 64bit and the bad UI make over.




How this translates to me is: "wait for a Humble Bundle deal".
 
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/24 18:58:55 (permalink)
Matt, thanks.  sorta what I expected.  
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/24 19:56:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/04/26 13:24:34
Well I've played with a bit more and my initial thoughts are pretty much unchanged.  They just recompiled it and shoe horned in some color changes and new icons (that aren't what I'd call pro or high quality).  They didn't actually address any of the issues nor did they improve or modernize anything.  It's still ACID, but then so was 7.0.  The 64bitness is a win, but they had 10 years.
 
It no longer has Quicktime support (since there is no 64bit Quicktime) and thus it can't load MP4s or MOV files.  I had thought they would do what they did with Vegas but no.  There is a Quicktime IO provider DLL (in a format Sony/SF never documented publicly, so you can't write your own) but it doesn't seem to work/do anything.  Perhaps it is 32bit only (yes the 32bit version is still selectable when you install).  So compared to 7.0 there is actually less video support.  They could have added ffmpeg support and gotten a ton of video support, but again, no.
 
Oddly enough in the directory it installs is the old 7.0 ACID_readme.htm file.  They didn't even bother making one for 8.0
 
It still has commands to publish to Acid Planet, which I guess is still running.  Odd they didn't try and funnel stuff to MAGIX offerings.
 
I still love the paint loops UI mechanism and have often wished SONAR, Cubase, Repear or Abelton would have some option to work that way.
 
They could have done so much more.  If I had done the trial I wouldn't have bothered buying the upgrade.  I would recommend that they quit offering/remove the trial, all it will do is convince people not to buy this.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/24 20:37:56 (permalink)
Thanks Matt.  I'll just fire up Acid Pro 6 if I get the urge to paint loops. 

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/25 02:01:25 (permalink)
I used to fire up Acid every now and then because for years it did a few unique things quickly.  At this point though, damn near every program does what Acid does, but better and faster. other programs actually handle acidized loops better than Acid now. I'll pass.  I'm not even sure i would upgrade at $49
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/26 00:45:15 (permalink)
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So I bought the upgrade, more for old times sake than need.  I still love ACID and how it worked and what doors it opened for me.  The new UI isn't all that new or good, it's at best a bad coat of paint.  They seemed to have made little or no changes to how it all works.  If it was awkward or bad in Pro 7.0, it's still awkward and bad in 8. 
 
None of the new plugins seem to work outside of it (though I didn't even try the effects just the VSTis).  There aren't really that many included plugins to be honest, they have a "rompler" and a set of sounds for it, based on Yellow Tools Independence.  It's not very impressive.  A weak synth and a slice player without a lot of features.
 
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The MIDI editor appears to be the same as it was (though my memory isn't that good on the details).
 
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To get the instruments and loops you have to use a menu item under Help menu, "Download instruments and Loop Collections"  The loops they include aren't very impressive compared to what Sonic Foundry/Sony used to ship.  MAGIX isn't exactly artist friendly with their licensing either.  I'm not even sure I can use any of the loops they include.  They do send you a code to purchase one of five packages on their store, it appears the code works with buying the commercial unlimited use version, which I guess is something.
 
It doesn't really scale to my 4k monitor very well. But then most DAWs don't so I'm not sure I should give them that hard a time over it.  Most of the dialogs and non-main screen are still using classic Windows UI.  It's not really fully themed.
 
The upgrade should have been $49.99 at most.  It is 64bit which I guess is something, but not much more than that.  I'm hoping to find some other minor improvements but so far its all about the 64bit and the bad UI make over.




 So did you install all of the bloat? Seems like the loops are not worth it.  There's supposedly some included instruments. Do they have options to install the bloat off the C drive?

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/26 02:02:44 (permalink)
I installed everything.  It installed all the "content" to my MAGIX Content dir which is off my C: drive.  I don't remember it asking me where the MAGIX content drive was though, I think that got set way back when I installed the MAGIX Music Maker app.
 
The "instruments" are just sample sets for the Rompler (Vita) they include.  Here's the top level directories of the loops (9gigs worth):
  • EDM - Discharge
  • HipHop - Official
  • Metal - Heaven's Call
  • Pop Rock - New World
  • Rhythm and SFX Collection
  • Trap - Future Bass Anthem
 
Here's the instruments:
  • Analog Synths
  • Choir
  • Church Organ
  • Cinematic Synth
  • Concert Grand
  • Concert Grand LE
  • Drum Engine
  • Electric Bass
  • Electric Piano
  • Jazz Drums
  • Pop Drums
  • Rock Drums
  • Urban Drums
  • Vintage Organ
  • Vita
 
None of it is worth keeping really.  And the plugins only work in it, so no general usefulness.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/26 05:06:27 (permalink)
I bought the Humble Bundle Sound of Music and only installed Acid Pro 7 & SOUND FORGE Pro 11.
Am I missing anything of value in the rest?

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/04/26 11:05:07 (permalink)
MAGIX Music Maker isn't really worth installing.  I wanted to see what it was like, but given the license on their soundpacks (non-commercial) I don't think it's really worth using in general. 
 
I skipped the Sound Of Music bundle though so I'm not sure what it has.  I picked up the video one which is how I got Music Maker.  I suspect the next time I go through and purge things that aren't worth keeping, I'll uninstall it.
 

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/09 18:03:01 (permalink)
 Still on the fence about getting the upgrade.
 
 I know some prefer the original color scheme.
 
 The major difference is 64bit support.  I don't think I would use Acid to where it exceeds the 4gb limit. Major developers still install 32bit by default (Waves, Melda).  Most modern softsynths still install 32bit like Sylenth, NI, Image Line. 

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 12:33:46 (permalink)
       
 
 
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 14:00:34 (permalink)
Does ACID 7 still work on your computer?  If it does I'd say it all boils down to how much you want to use 64bit plugins without jBridge in ACID.  They still haven't added VST3 support.  They have done a couple of updates but none that added anything (or maybe I can't remember and I can't seem to find a detailed change log).
 
It's not bad really, it is pretty much ACID 7 recompiled for 64bits with some bad color changes.  And I do love ACID a lot, still even today.  And no Cakewalk/SONAR/Cubase/Ableton/REAPER none of them even come close to the workflow ACID has.  They all can do the same basic things with loops sure, but not quite the way ACID does it.
 
They appear to be bundling it with other products now, most likely because it's not selling all that well.  At one point SF/Sony considered ACID Pro a professional level DAW.  I don't think Magix thinks of it that way.
 
I think you could spend the money on other things and be just as happy.  I'm certainly not using it myself even though I love how it works.
 
 

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 15:59:57 (permalink)
I had their video NLE years ago. It was horrible. So many bugs it was ridiculous. Everybody complained to them about it but they kept coming out with new releases that never addressed the old problems. I was very upset when I heard they bought Sony Vegas. (Don't really care about Acid.) No way I'll ever buy another Magix product.
 
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 16:05:41 (permalink)
I keep getting their sale emails to upgrade my old copy for 99.00. I think I have Acid Pro 7 on my old DAW I haven't booted up in 4 years.
I haven't jumped on that sale yet, mainly because I bought Mixcraft 8 Pro which has  programmers from Sonic Foundry on the staff. It does everything Acid does and a lot more. Doesn't seem to have a problem with formats and plugins. Mixcraft just recieved an update that was free to current users. Has great movie capability and is simple to use. 
I would still probably buy ACID for old times sake if they offered it to me of 49.95. I liked Acid. I have similar in Mixcraft. CbB  accepts  both REx and Acid loops. You can use loops and stay in Cakewalk. TBH I don't work with loops very often any more. Msorrels I am a bit deflated that the included loops in ACID aren't that great. 
 
Recently I needed a fast song and I didn't have much time so I decided to try building the basics of it from loops.
I had a very nice sounding 12 bar blues song in Mixcraft in less than 30 minutes. Drums, bass and rhythm guitar.
I didn't try very hard either. It was actually fun and easy to do. Same concept as ACID.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 17:09:14 (permalink)
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Does ACID 7 still work on your computer?  If it does I'd say it all boils down to how much you want to use 64bit plugins without jBridge in ACID.  They still haven't added VST3 support.  They have done a couple of updates but none that added anything (or maybe I can't remember and I can't seem to find a detailed change log).
 
It's not bad really, it is pretty much ACID 7 recompiled for 64bits with some bad color changes.  And I do love ACID a lot, still even today.  And no Cakewalk/SONAR/Cubase/Ableton/REAPER none of them even come close to the workflow ACID has.  They all can do the same basic things with loops sure, but not quite the way ACID does it.
 
They appear to be bundling it with other products now, most likely because it's not selling all that well.  At one point SF/Sony considered ACID Pro a professional level DAW.  I don't think Magix thinks of it that way.
 
I think you could spend the money on other things and be just as happy.  I'm certainly not using it myself even though I love how it works.
 
 




  Yes it does.  If they developed a full separate piano roll this was going to be my DAW.  Acid is the only reason why I keep 32 bit plugins.  They all seem to work.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 17:14:28 (permalink)

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 19:28:45 (permalink)
Acid was my first DAW. I was using it long before Sony bought it.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/10 23:40:31 (permalink)
I still have Acid Pro 6 on my computer, although it is stuck in 32-bit, just like my Cakewalk Project5.  Bummer.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/11 05:21:39 (permalink)
I still use their CD Architect 5.2 on my Windows 10 Pro computer.

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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/11 05:26:04 (permalink)
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I still have Acid Pro 6 on my computer, although it is stuck in 32-bit, just like my Cakewalk Project5.  Bummer.




How is Project 5 working out for you and are you still able to work with it or is it too out dated for Win 10 Pro?
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/11 16:14:56 (permalink)
I'm pretty happy so far with my experiences using Acid Pro 8 .
IMHO , The added plugs and instruments from Magix are a welcome addition to Acid Pro .
Yeah so What ...they are locked to the program ..
As far as my thoughts go , a great deal of the standard Magix plugs and instruments are much better than what people give them credit for
When I want to use them outside of Acid Pro 8 I will fire up Samplitude X 3 Suite or Samplitude X2 Standard ..
 
The darker GUI has some folks a little miffed . I happen to like it . It is not too far off from Cakewak by BandLab , Studio 1 Pro , Harrison Mixbus 3, 4, , 5 or Reaper ( stock GUI ) . Maybe at some point in the future it may get a few newer skins .
If that don't happen I'm still Cool w it .
 
Like many , I waited 10 flipping years   During that time " I let it be " .
 
I started with  Acid Pro 4 . Then went to Acid Music Studio 6 ,  Acid Music Studio 10 , and then to Acid Pro 7 .
When I got Acid Pro 8 I was pleasantly surprised . Even after having it for 6 months or so I'm still happy with it 
 
I'm more of a here and now type of guy so when I factor in all the cool stuff I have spent money on , you know all the CC Larry deals on plugins, VST  instruments , and when you also factor in and add whatever deals I have managed to scrounge the money to snag  . I have found they have a place in Acid Pro 8 .
IMHO,   The 3 rd part stuff filled in a few holes and gaps .
We all know the program itself has the potential to be pretty cool .
When you factor in the "Acid Pro workflow " and the ease of getting a new musical idea started , Acid Pro 8 may win over a few reluctant people that are on the fence ...
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 

                   
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Re: Magix Announces ACID Pro 8 2018/12/11 21:55:08 (permalink)
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I still have Acid Pro 6 on my computer, although it is stuck in 32-bit, just like my Cakewalk Project5.  Bummer.




How is Project 5 working out for you and are you still able to work with it or is it too out dated for Win 10 Pro?
I still have my Project 5 Box with the DVD.  I though about pulling the DVD out and installing it but was too afraid of the outcome. 




P5 v2 still runs on Win 10, but...
 
1. you can only use 32-bit plugins. 
2. it is single threaded only, so even if you have 10 cores, it will only run on one of them. 
3. you are stuck with the 2GB RAM limitations of a 32-bit app
 
Other than that it still works on Win 10.  But I really haven't used it that much because of the 32-bitness.  It is something I would like to see BandLab update to 64-bit.
 
When you open it up, it is really hard to understand why Cake threw in the towel on it.  It was ahead of it's time.
 
P5 was probably better with MIDI back in those days than the competition, because it was primarily designed to be a soft synth workstation, but V2 added audio recording and the Groove Matrix.  The Groove Matrix is way better than the Matrix view in Sonar.  Something more along the lines of the Ableton Live Session View for clip launching.

DAW: CbB; Sonar Platinum, and others ... 
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