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Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
Hey Guys:
I've had X2 for a quite a while, but had always only used the 32 bit version since it did everything I wanted. Tonight I started a project on 64 bit to see if there really was a difference and I was STUNNED!!!! I dropped my ASIO interface to 128 and was able to run 10 VSTi's with out the first pop, click or dropout. I guess I could have run more, but I didn't try. Everybody on this forum kept saying that 64 bit opened up more of the computer's power and now I am totally convinced. So if there is anyone out there still using 32 bit let me join the others and encourage you to take the leap into the 21st century!! You be delighted!!!
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 22:46:38
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Hey! I have wondered myself, I thought there were problems with 64 bit, problem might be that I have a few hundred Plugins and Kontakt 5.3 what exactly does it entail step by step to change over and is there a trade off?
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 22:56:36
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:44:42
The first step is install the 64bit version of SONAR. Both the 32bit and 64bit will run on the same machine. Then install the 64bit versions of third party plug-ins where possible. The integrate the 32bit plug-ins as needed. The biggest problem with the transition are old 32bit plug-ins. Even then, the 32bit host is still available.
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mysticgroove
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:10:23
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So do I have to re install everything from scratch?
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:16:32
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:44:32
Well you may have to install 64 bit third party plugins.
There is not much to if you are on Win 8 or 7 64 bit. Drivers will already be 64 bit.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:27:12
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:44:23
It depends. Most installers allow installation of either 32bit, 64bit or both versions of the software. Some have separate installers for each version. Of course, this assumes the PC is already running a 64bit OS.
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mysticgroove
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:27:31
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Thanks,
do you know of instances where it is advantageous to switch from the 64 bit to the 32bit,
I have accumulated so many 3rd party plugins,
what about WAVES, are they OK in 64 bit?
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:41:44
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:44:12
I use a lot of Waves plugins, the 64-bit VST3 versions, and they work just fine.
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:50:29
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 00:14:01
The biggest advantage for 64 bit DAW is you can have access to more than 4 Gig of RAM. Make sure you have plenty of RAM (at least 8 Gig). Especially if you use Kontakt with lots of samples.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:51:52
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:45:16
mysticgroove: Your specification does not include the complete info on your OS. If you are running Win7 32 then yes a complete re-install of everything will be required after upgrading your OS to 64 bit.
Otherwise the above comments are all correct
Regards,
Mike Win8(64), Sonar X3e(64) w/ RME Fireface UFX.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:53:44
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Thanks,
so do I run the X3 download again and just choose 64 bit, and run both versions on my Laptop, how much extra HDD space will it take if I reload it and all/ most / some of my 3rd Party Plugins? P.S. Yes 64bit Windows, I have 8gigs of RAM, so, as I am using 32bit Sonar on 64bit Windows does that mean that I have NOT been accessing my 8gigs, but only 4???
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/25 23:55:01
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:43:44
Once you get use to 64 bits you will not want to use 32 bit plugins. There will be a transition time as you decide to forgo non 64 bit plugins because 64 bit ones seem happier in a 64 bit host.
None the less most 32 bit plugins will work just fine in Sonar 64 bit. DX 32 bit plugins wont.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 00:48:26
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Thanks, so do I run the X3 download again and just choose 64 bit, and run both versions on my Laptop, how much extra HDD space will it take if I reload it and all/ most / some of my 3rd Party Plugins? P.S. Yes 64bit Windows, I have 8gigs of RAM, so, as I am using 32bit Sonar on 64bit Windows does that mean that I have NOT been accessing my 8 gigs, but only 4???
post edited by mysticgroove - 2014/03/26 01:34:30
DAW. Sonar X3e Producer 32 bit
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 00:56:38
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☄ Helpfulby mysticgroove 2014/03/26 01:43:26
Yes, that is how to install 64bit SONAR. The best way to estimate the disk required is add up the current 32bit installation. Make sure not to include the sample libraries for synths such as DimPro, Rapture, Session Drummer and Loops and One Shots, they are shared between the 32bit and 64bit versions. Yes, a 32bit application will only address something less than 4GB of RAM regardless of how much is installed.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 02:01:08
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The only way you can get around the 4GM RAM limit in 32-bit Sonar is if you ReWire another DAW into it. Using this method, you can host some of your VSTi's in something like Reaper and ReWire the audio back into Sonar. I used to do this with ProTools and Reaper. I'd host a bunch of synths in Reaper. Then ReWire the MIDI from ProTools into the Reaper synths, then ReWire the resultant audio from Reaper back into ProTools. Took me a while to get my head around it and set it up but once it was up and running it worked perfectly, and I was able to use a lot more synths. Previously, ProTools had been crashing a lot because of the lack of memory available. The only drawback was having to load both DAW's in a particular order, then close them in a particular order. It was great to switch to 64-bit Sonar and use all of my RAM.
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 02:23:18
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Some 32 bit vst just don't play nice in my X1/X2 64bit. I have much less problem in X3 64bit thank goodness. You have to try which one 32bit vst works in X3 64bit. The 32 bit vst will be bridged into 64 bit Sonar by bitbridge. Recently Cakewalk bought over the rights to bitbridge and I guess Cakewalk might have done something to make bitbridge more stable. (I am just guessing that because X3 now is a lot more happier working with my 32bit vst).
I still prefer to use 64 bit vst exclusively in 64 bit Sonar because the use of bitbridge would cause more delay/latency. When I have to use sampletank and miroslav(both only in 32bit) i would use the 32bit Sonar X3.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 02:36:00
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I use lots of 32bit plugs with minimal issues. 64bit Sonar is a MASSIVE improvement performance-wise. Provided you're running Windows 64bit of course..
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 04:16:38
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Thanks again guys.
Do any of you have a list of known Soft Synths and Plugins/Brands, that are inappropriate/problematic in 64 bit Sonar. And I presume that the term 'Running Windows 64bit' means that the OS itself is 64 bit?
Also, what Third Party Synths and Plugins do I not need to install again in 64 Bit Sonar, or do I have to install all again?
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Interface. Roland Quad Capture Software. Kontakt 5. - Engine 2 - Garritan Aria - Native Instruments - Izotope - Musiclab - Nugen Audio - Sonnox - Waves- PSP - Fab Filter OS. Windows 7. 64 bit Home Premium - Notebook CPU. Intel core i7 26302QM @ 2.00 GHz RAM. 8.00GB Dual channel DDR3 @ 665MHz Graphics. Intel HD Graphics 3000 Hard Drive. Seagate 750GB Momentus XT( SATA/SDD Hybrid) 7200 RPM Optical Drives. Pioneer DVD-RW DVRTD10RS SCSI CD Rom Device
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 04:16:35
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Thanks again guys.
Do any of you have a list of known Soft Synths and Plugins/Brands, that are inappropriate/problematic in 64 bit Sonar. And I presume that the term 'Running Windows 64bit' means that the OS itself is 64 bit?
Also, what Third Party Synths and Plugins do I not need to install again in 64 Bit Sonar, or do I have to install all again?
DAW. Sonar X3e Producer 32 bit
Interface. Roland Quad Capture Software. Kontakt 5. - Engine 2 - Garritan Aria - Native Instruments - Izotope - Musiclab - Nugen Audio - Sonnox - Waves- PSP - Fab Filter OS. Windows 7. 64 bit Home Premium - Notebook CPU. Intel core i7 26302QM @ 2.00 GHz RAM. 8.00GB Dual channel DDR3 @ 665MHz Graphics. Intel HD Graphics 3000 Hard Drive. Seagate 750GB Momentus XT( SATA/SDD Hybrid) 7200 RPM Optical Drives. Pioneer DVD-RW DVRTD10RS SCSI CD Rom Device
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 04:16:29
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Thanks again guys.
Do any of you have a list of known Soft Synths and Plugins/Brands, that are inappropriate/problematic in 64 bit Sonar. And I presume that the term 'Running Windows 64bit' means that the OS itself is 64 bit?
Also, what Third Party Synths and Plugins do I not need to install again in 64 Bit Sonar, or do I have to install all again?
DAW. Sonar X3e Producer 32 bit
Interface. Roland Quad Capture Software. Kontakt 5. - Engine 2 - Garritan Aria - Native Instruments - Izotope - Musiclab - Nugen Audio - Sonnox - Waves- PSP - Fab Filter OS. Windows 7. 64 bit Home Premium - Notebook CPU. Intel core i7 26302QM @ 2.00 GHz RAM. 8.00GB Dual channel DDR3 @ 665MHz Graphics. Intel HD Graphics 3000 Hard Drive. Seagate 750GB Momentus XT( SATA/SDD Hybrid) 7200 RPM Optical Drives. Pioneer DVD-RW DVRTD10RS SCSI CD Rom Device
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 04:16:20
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Thanks again guys.
Do any of you have a list of known Soft Synths and Plugins/Brands, that are inappropriate/problematic in 64 bit Sonar. And I presume that the term 'Running Windows 64bit' means that the OS itself is 64 bit?
Also, what Third Party Synths and Plugins do I not need to install again in 64 Bit Sonar, or do I have to install all again?
DAW. Sonar X3e Producer 32 bit
Interface. Roland Quad Capture Software. Kontakt 5. - Engine 2 - Garritan Aria - Native Instruments - Izotope - Musiclab - Nugen Audio - Sonnox - Waves- PSP - Fab Filter OS. Windows 7. 64 bit Home Premium - Notebook CPU. Intel core i7 26302QM @ 2.00 GHz RAM. 8.00GB Dual channel DDR3 @ 665MHz Graphics. Intel HD Graphics 3000 Hard Drive. Seagate 750GB Momentus XT( SATA/SDD Hybrid) 7200 RPM Optical Drives. Pioneer DVD-RW DVRTD10RS SCSI CD Rom Device
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 10:41:35
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Most of the plugins that were problematic in Sonar 64 bit have been updated and or CW has made adjustments to Sonar. Overall its fair to say that the vast majority of VSTs VSTis are working great in Sonar X3 64 bit.
One could say its a moving target and no list would be accurate for very long. Generally if its a 64 bit VST/VSTi it will work in Sonar.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 11:33:43
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Does anyone know if some of Sonar's bundled plug in's don't install if you do the 64 bit installation? I think some of the bundled plug-ins are 32-bit only. Do they still get installed and then get run with bitbridge, or do they just get skipped by the installer?
Dan
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 11:45:40
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mysticgroove
Thanks again guys.
Do any of you have a list of known Soft Synths and Plugins/Brands, that are inappropriate/problematic in 64 bit Sonar.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/VSTs-compatable-with-85-64-bit-m1829581.aspxThe thread is a bit old now, but its a guide. Recently I got Kitcore running wit X3 and Win 8 when it had been a problem with 8.5 on Vista 64. You will lose some of the 32 bit DXis like Dream station but most 32 bit VSts will be OK. You will probably find that there are 64 bit verions available for many of them. I went 64 bit with version 8.5 so I dont really have a appreciation of what does not work today. Edit - I just realised that thread was 2009!!! 64 bit was bleeding edge then, its pretty mainstream these days.
post edited by Glyn Barnes - 2014/03/26 12:50:51
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 12:45:55
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One thing mentioned that needs correction is you don't need to re download Sonar.
The files you originally downloaded contain both the 32 and 64 bit versions. I also just noticed while installing the X3e update on my laptop that the 32 or 64 bit options are in the install process. I almost proceeded with a 32 bit by mistake as it was the one highlighted by default.
There's no reason to worry about proceeding with a 64 bit install. Just do it and get to work. Then if something doesn't work, you just use a different plug in or as last resort open the project in the 32 bit version. For me I lost nothing in the process but I'm using mostly Sonars plug ins. The few 32 bit , 3rd party plug ins all seem to run fine I guess using Bit Bridge.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/26 14:39:35
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Where is FREDDIE?
this is his big thing. I hope he is OK.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/27 03:05:01
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Jimbo 88
Where is FREDDIE?
this is his big thing. I hope he is OK.
He has moved on. 64 Bit was so 2009.
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Re: Make the jump to 64 bit if you haven't already!!
2014/03/27 03:15:38
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Freddy is ok, he just has jumped ship to Cubase, and is a regular visitor on the Cubase forum..
And yes - he STILL uses BIG FONTS over there ;-).
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