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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/03 00:26:49 (permalink)
Yes, It is working for me again. I am glad is has resolved.

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/03 00:43:45 (permalink)
Can anyone confirm Replika 1.2.2 working now?

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/03 06:03:11 (permalink)
Fabio Rubato
Can anyone confirm Replika 1.2.2 working now?


Nope they haven't updated it. I'd put money on it's that it's exactly the same bug as Machine.

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/03 06:03:36 (permalink)
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Yes I got confirmation from NI that it is fixed. I sent them a dump file that I was able to generate by running Maschine under some debugging tools and that helped them narrow it down. Memory related crashes can be very hard to find since they only show up under very specific circumstances and can sometimes crash in completely unrelated code. In this case I was lucky to be able to capture a dump file that helped pinpoint the problem.
NI was very diligent in following up with us on this issue and I am glad that there is a resolution.
 


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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/11 10:22:22 (permalink)
Hello again
 
I thought Maschine 2.4 64-bit worked as planned but I am afraid it wasn't...
 
Well, I don't know why really, but Maschine 2.4 seem so slow inside Sonar Platinum. I thought that it was going well, but realize that it just do funny stuff. The "time indicator" in Maschine software is about 0.5-1 second late from the actual sound (e g a kick). when using it inside the DAW. I also got sudden sounds when not playing at all. 
 
What I liked with the latest update of Sonar is the ability to record audio on different tracks. This is great for Multi-Out of Maschine, for separate tracks for drums. Well, maybe have to go back to 2.2.3, since 2.3 also had its flaws..

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/11 16:13:07 (permalink)
Unrelated I suspect, I doubt it is Maschine. Try rolling back a Sonar version or await next Sonar update.
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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/12 16:24:38 (permalink)
I experienced a similar issue and Cakewalk Tech support confirmed it.  Roll back to Ipswitch for now.
 

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/14 17:31:16 (permalink)
Same for me with latest Sonar and Maschine vst: i hit a pad, sometimes it works and sometimes i can go shopping before hearing the sound... It is unusable.
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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/14 23:04:11 (permalink)
Did you try rolling back a sonar version?

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/15 02:50:52 (permalink)
Thank you for the flag Doktor Avalanche! Very sad times here...
 
I didn't because I use functions of the latest Sonar's version in this project. I'll better wait next one hoping Cakewalk will fix this very annoying problem. 
Unfortunatly I haven't tried the previous Maschine VST with this Jamaica version.
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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/15 12:46:38 (permalink)
I think there is confusion here...

Previously..

Maschine was broken and Sonar was fine.

Now..

Sonar is broken and Maschine is fixed. It isn't just Maschine having issues with JP either.

So...

Run latest Maschine (2.4) with previous version of Sonar, or wait for next Sonar release.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/15 13:26:08

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 13:18:26 (permalink)
I just got around to updating Maschine to 2.4 and Sonar (JP) doesn't detect the plugin.  The standalone version works fine, and my other DAWs detect the Maschine 2.4 plugin (all set to scan the Cakewalk VST folder).

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 16:07:17 (permalink)
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I just got around to updating Maschine to 2.4 and Sonar (JP) doesn't detect the plugin.  The standalone version works fine, and my other DAWs detect the Maschine 2.4 plugin (all set to scan the Cakewalk VST folder).


I have no problems so it's some issue at your end. In preferences make sure your vst paths aren't overlapping and within one of them make sure the maschine 2.4 64 bit dll is contained within. Remove any 32 bit version.

Attempt a VST reset and also scan failed plugins.

You might need to reinstall machine from the 2.4 package (check the NI download folder). Make sure you check the vst paths during install. Make sure the 32 bit vst path is out of Sonar's file vst path (assuming you want 64 bit version). You won't be needing that.
You aren't using waves by any chance?
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post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/18 16:19:27

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 21:43:14 (permalink)
Doktor Avalanche
I have no problems so it's some issue at your end. In preferences make sure your vst paths aren't overlapping and within one of them make sure the maschine 2.4 64 bit dll is contained within. Remove any 32 bit version.

Attempt a VST reset and also scan failed plugins.

You might need to reinstall machine from the 2.4 package (check the NI download folder). Make sure you check the vst paths during install. Make sure the 32 bit vst path is out of Sonar's file vst path (assuming you want 64 bit version). You won't be needing that.
You aren't using waves by any chance?
Ta



I've already tried all of those and I don't install any 32-bit plugins, so that's not the problem.  I have a lot of Waves plugins, but they've never given me any problems and I've used them alongside Maschine 1/2 for years.  Why do you ask?

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 21:50:47 (permalink)
Doktor Avalanche
I have no problems so it's some issue at your end. In preferences make sure your vst paths aren't overlapping and within one of them make sure the maschine 2.4 64 bit dll is contained within. Remove any 32 bit version.

Attempt a VST reset and also scan failed plugins.

You might need to reinstall machine from the 2.4 package (check the NI download folder). Make sure you check the vst paths during install. Make sure the 32 bit vst path is out of Sonar's file vst path (assuming you want 64 bit version). You won't be needing that.
You aren't using waves by any chance?
Ta



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I've already tried all of those and I don't install any 32-bit plugins, so that's not the problem.  I have a lot of Waves plugins, but they've never given me any problems and I've used them alongside Maschine 1/2 for years.  Why do you ask?





You say you don't install any 32 bit plugins, but if you are installing Maschine you will be installing the 32 bit plugin, there is no option not to (hence you need to throw it out of Sonar's path). You would have seen that if you had reinstalled Maschine recently as well.
 
There have been a lot of issues with JP and Waves plugins, I'm tempted to think this is related. Clear the Waves cache and check the forums for waves related issues and JP, plenty of threads to google. Are you sure you didn't scan for failed plugins?

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 21:53:13 (permalink)
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There have been a lot of issues with JP and Waves plugins.



I use JP and the Diamond collection of Waves plug-ins. No issues.

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 21:57:44 (permalink)
Doktor Avalanche
There have been a lot of issues with JP and Waves plugins.



 
Anderton
I use JP and the Diamond collection of Waves plug-ins. No issues.



Yup but as soon as JP came out we had a tidal wave of complaint threads/posts about Waves plugins. Actually pretty much all of the issues (if not all of them) were not Sonar's fault at all, what appeared to be happening in that Sonar's new VST scanning mechanism exposed issues with old plugins laying around or some stuff laying around in waves cache, or plugins not being up to date... which Sonar had ignored up until now for some reason... One by one they all managed to resolve their issues (well mostly anyway).
 
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/18 22:12:18

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 22:55:24 (permalink)
To clarify, obviously many installers for many plugins do not give you the option to skip 32-bit installations.  I am meticulous about installing them to a dedicated folder under my x86 path, when possible (e.g., NI installations).  I typically delete those dll's after installation anyway, and Sonar does not ever scan them, nor does Sonar even know that the folder exists because it's not one of the VST scan paths.  I just double-checked to ensure that it is gone (after my third reinstallation) and indeed it was.  So, the 32-bit plugin is not the issue here.
 
 
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There have been a lot of issues with JP and Waves plugins.



I use JP and the Diamond collection of Waves plug-ins. No issues.




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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/18 23:14:25 (permalink)
Update: problem solved.  After re-scanning my plugins for the zillionth time, the scanner crashed, then crashed again, both on the same plugins (Fracture and Hysteresis by Glitchmachines).  So, I uninstalled those two, rescanned, and Sonar is now recognizing and loading Maschine 2 just fine.  

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/19 06:16:29 (permalink)
So I assume you got round to rescanning the failed plugins because that's the issue. Ta.

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/19 12:37:23 (permalink)
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So I assume you got round to rescanning the failed plugins because that's the issue. Ta.



Re-read my posts above.  Yes, I went through all of the obvious troubleshooting steps.  I rescanned the plugins, including the failed plugins and permanently excluded plugin options, numerous times.  The scanner went through the process, while I watched each time, and it did not detect Maschine 2.4 (instrument version), but detected every other NI VST in my VST folder.  The odd thing, though, which I forgot to mention, is that it detected and loaded the Maschine 2.4 FX version all along, just not the instrument version.  It wasn't until the "zillionth" time (probably the 20th time) rescanning that it crashed when scanning the Glitchmachines plugins.  I uninstalled them, rescanned again, and it then finally detected the Maschine 2.4 instrument version.  So, the problem was obviously not as simple as rescanning a failed plugin - the plugin scanner was simply not detecting the Maschine 2.4 instrument DLL.  I have no idea why the Glitchmachines plugins crashed the scanner after successfully scanning them probably 20 times in a row, or why it didn't detect Maschine 2.4 prior to those plugins crashing the scanner, but whatever was going on under the hood seems to be resolved now.  Incidentally, I reinstalled the Glitchmachines plugins afterward and they *seem* to be working fine now, too, but I didn't spend much time testing them.

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/19 12:55:03 (permalink)
Well that's very odd, if all you are doing is rescanning over and over again, you should not see any change in behavior whatsoever unless you've made some changes in between those scans, or you have some process away from Sonar occasionally locking something such as a virus scanner.
 
Anyway, never seen that one nor have I read about any scenario like that in the forums. glad you have it resolved.
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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/19 13:27:35 (permalink)
These problems are exactly what I was experiencing previously-- tardiness between pad and sound, sluggishness in UI,  instability, etc. (scroll back in this thread) and it was fixed by changing the USB port the Maschine controller was plugged into. Yes, I know that sounds absurd.
 
If you are having problems with the Maschine VSTi, I suggest unplugging the hardware, restarting Sonar, and trying again. If performance improves, this may be the culprit.
 
I use Win10, Sonar (now up to JP), Maschine day in and day out with no issues whatsoever.

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Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/19 14:12:16 (permalink)
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These problems are exactly what I was experiencing previously-- tardiness between pad and sound, sluggishness in UI,  instability, etc. (scroll back in this thread) and it was fixed by changing the USB port the Maschine controller was plugged into. Yes, I know that sounds absurd.
 
If you are having problems with the Maschine VSTi, I suggest unplugging the hardware, restarting Sonar, and trying again. If performance improves, this may be the culprit.
 
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Makes sense if we are going back to the OP's topic now with Maschine 2.4/JP...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/19 14:23:46

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