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2015/08/16 12:34:15 (permalink)

Maschine 2.4 update appears to work now in Sonar

Maschine 2.3 crashes Sonar, and, when it doesn't completely crash, it has screwy midi issues. I'm not looking for a fix or tech help my friends, just giving a bit of info and a warning to my fellow Maschine users. I rolled back 2 updates to 2.2.3 and Maschine is working as advertised. Some of your expansion packs may not work after the roll back only because their update requirement is 2.3. To roll back your Maschine update just install an earlier update. If you want to remove the subsequent non working expansion packs just uninstall in Windows Programs and features like you would with any other program.
post edited by twisted6s - 2015/11/02 17:12:59

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/17 07:19:20 (permalink)
    i have had the same problem & i have contacted NI about it.  word has it, they are working on this issue for a future release. in the meantime, i bounce all my Maschine tracks & then import them into Sonar

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/17 13:10:10 (permalink)
    I'm taking delivery of a used Maschine Mikro in the next couple of days and was planning to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.3 immediately.  Getting Maschine working within Sonar already looked like a bit of a pain, so my plan was to export from Maschine and import into Sonar.  Therefore, presumably I shouldn't have the problems highlighted by the OP?  Wetdentist - would you mind elaborating on the process when you say:-
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     i bounce all my Maschine tracks & then import them into Sonar

    Also, are there disadvantages to working this way?

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 07:04:53 (permalink)
    my process is the same as your plans to export/import.  the disadvantage is that i can't have the Maschine opened up as a plugin in Sonar for if i want to make changes to my Maschine beats while working in Sonar.  it's kind of a pain in the neck

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 09:19:36 (permalink)
    I use Maschine as a plugin like any other multitimbral synth in Sonar. I assign different midi channels to groups as well as individual sounds in Machine and use Sonar to record and edit the midi and audio.
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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 10:07:41 (permalink)
    @twisted6s i would like to do that as well, but Maschine 2.3 crashes all Sonars without fail.  hope that is fixed in 2.5 (or even 2.3.1)

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 11:49:26 (permalink)
    A fellow Sonar user (Mystic38) also experienced this issue and had me check my system (following his youtube instructions) on using Maschine 2.3 as a plugin. I suppose I was lucky as mine didn't crash.
     
    He basically had me open a new project, added Maschine 2.3 plugin, (played with a few samples), saved it, and closed Plat. Reopened Plat with that project and everything worked as normal. His one just crashed on reopening.
     
    Hopefully, NI will have this resolved soon.    

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 11:50:42 (permalink)
    Wetdentist, Read my first post to fix it for the time being.

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 15:08:18 (permalink)
    twisted6s, at this point it would be pointless for me to roll back out of 2.3 because almost all my current projects require it, so i am just hanging tight until the fix comes out by NI

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/18 17:26:51 (permalink)
    Fair enough, when it's fixed pm me and I'll send you a template I use with Maschine as a vst.

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/19 12:06:05 (permalink)
    cool. thanks

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/20 15:19:41 (permalink)
    Strangeness:
    Maschine 2.3 crashes my home computer on Win10, while it runs fine on my laptop--- also Win10 and Maschine2.3

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/20 19:40:11 (permalink)
    Slight update: maschine 2.3 in stand-alone mode works FINE with all my other audio drivers EXCEPT RME-FF UFX.
    Chasing down a firewire card/driver now. ugh

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/21 14:38:40 (permalink)
    Further info: after replacing a firewire card = same behavior.
     
    On a whim, I pulled the usb cable going into the maschine hardware and presto... everything works (stand alone and in Sonar).
     
    So this is either a NI controller compatibility issue with Win 10 (on my system) or something else.
    Anyone else want to try it without the controller attached?

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/21 15:53:26 (permalink)
    Were you running a VIA FireWire chipset?

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/08/21 16:29:51 (permalink)
    nope. it was some Dell rebrand.
     
    turns out I moved the maschine cable to a new USB port (on the motherboard) and its working normally again.
    must have been a frigging IRQ conflict. ugh. hope this helps someone.
     
    but happy to report I'm up and running win10/mashine 2.3/sonar platinum without issues.

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/01 18:28:40 (permalink)
    I run Maschine MK1 with 2.3 on Windows 10. Work most of the time...
    Don't know if this helps, but I've always start Maschine in Standalone mode before I run it in Sonar after I install an update. NI recommends this to scan all plugins etc. 

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/02 13:13:08 (permalink)
    Just saw that Maschine 2.3.1 is out today: https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/maschine-2-3-1-out-now.261154/

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/02 13:22:47 (permalink)
    Cool. Anybody tried it? Solved your problems?

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/02 22:58:18 (permalink)
    I tried it and the problem still exists. :(

    In addition, on the NI forums I asked NI to acknowledge the problem (politely) and today they issued the 2.3.1 update and locked several thread including mine! I have no idea why.

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/03 07:06:46 (permalink)
    my thread got closed at the NI forums for being "complaining" and "speculative".  pretty irritated w/ NI right now

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/03 08:04:01 (permalink)
    NI have woken up and are apparently in touch with Cakewalk.

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/03 08:17:39 (permalink)
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    NI have woken up and are apparently in touch with Cakewalk.



    yes i just saw that.  so now i feel a bit better, but still . . .

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/03 08:29:47 (permalink)
    Doktor, is there info that I missed saying NI is in touch with Cakewalk?

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/03 09:05:04 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/09/03 09:23:01 (permalink)
    post #77 in this thread https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/sonar-x3e-projects-crashing-sonar-since-maschine-2-3-update.257727/

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/02 14:12:40 (permalink)
    2.4. now out apparently fixes it.

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/02 16:51:45 (permalink)
    I can confirm it's working for me now
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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/02 17:00:58 (permalink)
    2.4 is working for me too!
     

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    Re: Sonar X3e crashes with Maschine 2.3 update 2015/11/02 23:11:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wetdentist 2015/11/03 07:12:42
    Yes I got confirmation from NI that it is fixed. I sent them a dump file that I was able to generate by running Maschine under some debugging tools and that helped them narrow it down. Memory related crashes can be very hard to find since they only show up under very specific circumstances and can sometimes crash in completely unrelated code. In this case I was lucky to be able to capture a dump file that helped pinpoint the problem.
    NI was very diligent in following up with us on this issue and I am glad that there is a resolution.
     

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