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Microphone Recommendations?

Hi all. I'm looking to pick up a new mic for recording. I want something of high quality, but would like to keep the price under $300 or so. I need something for both musical vocals as well as speaking for dialogue-centric multimedia projects. For music, I do hard rock/metal, so I need something good for clean vocals AND screaming.

Any suggestions, fellow recordists?

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/25 19:47:42 (permalink)
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    Hi all. I'm looking to pick up a new mic for recording. I want something of high quality, but would like to keep the price under $300 or so. I need something for both musical vocals as well as speaking for dialogue-centric multimedia projects. For music, I do hard rock/metal, so I need something good for clean vocals AND screaming.

    Any suggestions, fellow recordists?

    Thanks!


    Under $300 I'd go with a good Shure.  Beta 57a comes to mind.  A Shure SM7 would be great but they are just over $300 even on e-bay.
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/25 19:51:56 (permalink)
    the rode nt100 there 229.00 on sweetwater..the best metal/dialog/aucoustic/everything mic in the bizz..very warm..you need phantom..i use it on my tracks...have a listen..in my sig

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/25 20:07:09 (permalink)
    hi dime,
    my next purchase will hopefully be an sm7b.
    it is designed for broadcast use, so for voice-overs and stuff like it, you'd be set. it so happens to be a great power vocal mic as well. a clean, hi gain preamp is essential though. they run about  $350 msrp, but if you shop around good enough, you can do better but not a lot better.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/25 21:49:37 (permalink)
    SM7B or SM27.  I have the predecessor to the SM27 - the KSM-27 and I love it.  but I wouldn't mind having an SM7B either.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/25 22:24:03 (permalink)
    Check out a Senheiser MK4


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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 00:43:55 (permalink)
    Electro voice has the new 320.  Supposedly an RE-20 but with a switch for kick drum usage or vocals.  And cheaper - about your price range.  Haven't tried it but if it is as good as the 20 that is pretty much a voice over/screamer rapper standard dynamic (like the sm7).

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 02:51:43 (permalink)
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 05:06:36 (permalink)
    Im very interested in the EV RE320 for a general purpose dynamic. But I haven't found anything on how it compares to the RE20 for vocals. I think someone mentioned on GS that (judging from the data sheets) the 320 has a certain proximity effect, unlike the RE20.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 09:00:58 (permalink)
    Try the Rode NT2-A Bundle.  The price is a little over $300 if you search around for it online.  It's a good mic and well worth the investment.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 10:37:27 (permalink)
    i don't think any of the mics mentioned would rank as 'high quality'.

    that said, most are proven workhorses. the sm7b really shines. especially for screaming.
    it's a dynamic, the condensers can overload if they don't have good pads, and most of the cheap ones ($500 and down) have pads, but i wouldn't call them highly effective)

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 10:42:11 (permalink)
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    i don't think any of the mics mentioned would rank as 'high quality'.

    that said, most are proven workhorses. the sm7b really shines. especially for screaming.
    it's a dynamic, the condensers can overload if they don't have good pads, and most of the cheap ones ($500 and down) have pads, but i wouldn't call them highly effective)

    while you are correct, high quality is relative in the terms of the OP's budget.
     
    the real high quality mics are not going to be $300, and actually your $500 limit is kind of low as well.
     
    but for $300 the mics which have been mentioned are excellent.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 12:28:09 (permalink)
    i consider high quality to start around the $1500-2000 range....

    the only reason i stated a $500 dollar mark, is that seems to be where the low range starts to separate itself from the mid range, in my experience.

    "excellent" is a strong word to toss around....

    it's all relevant to what kinds of mics you've gotten to work with.

    for example, i have an 'excellent' AT4033 i love, $600 mic i paid $400 for, but i wouldn't compare it against a U87 or a manley reference...



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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 13:11:27 (permalink)
    is price the only determining factor for quality?
    how do the facts that anthony kiedis, james hettfield and micheal jackson sing/have sung on an sm7 play into that determination? especially considering the fact that m.j's "thriller" is the biggest selling record in history? i would have to say it's capable of being rather "high quality."

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 13:40:24 (permalink)
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    i consider high quality to start around the $1500-2000 range....

    the only reason i stated a $500 dollar mark, is that seems to be where the low range starts to separate itself from the mid range, in my experience.

    "excellent" is a strong word to toss around....

    it's all relevant to what kinds of mics you've gotten to work with.

    for example, i have an 'excellent' AT4033 i love, $600 mic i paid $400 for, but i wouldn't compare it against a U87 or a manley reference...


    agreed.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 13:41:43 (permalink)
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    is price the only determining factor for quality?
    how do the facts that anthony kiedis, james hettfield and micheal jackson sing/have sung on an sm7 play into that determination? especially considering the fact that m.j's "thriller" is the biggest selling record in history? i would have to say it's capable of being rather "high quality."


    The rumor I heard was that it was an SM57.  regardless, what that really states is that the quality from that recording came from the the performance and the recording, mixing and mastering engineers and producers.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 13:52:58 (permalink)
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    it's all relevant to what kinds of mics you've gotten to work with.

    for example, i have an 'excellent' AT4033 i love, $600 mic i paid $400 for, but i wouldn't compare it against a U87 or a manley reference...


    quincy jones could have put up any mic in existence during the thriller sessions.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 14:25:10 (permalink)
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    quincy jones could have put up any mic in existence during the thriller sessions.
    Bruce Swedien, the famous engineer, was responlible for tecnical stuff like mics. Quincy was more of the sesesion leader/arranger type of producer.
     
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 15:23:22 (permalink)
    not saying you can't catch an EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE with a less than 'high quality' mic.

    there's a big difference, in a quality performance captured by a mid-grade mic, versus a crappy performance captured by an expensive stellar mic.

    both of these instances have occurred, i'm sure you've heard them.

    that's not what we're talking about.


    the Quality of a mic, can be scientifically measured.

    the WORTH of a mic, is entirely subjective.


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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 16:35:29 (permalink)
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    not saying you can't catch an EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE with a less than 'high quality' mic.

    there's a big difference, in a quality performance captured by a mid-grade mic, versus a crappy performance captured by an expensive stellar mic.

    both of these instances have occurred, i'm sure you've heard them.

    that's not what we're talking about.


    the Quality of a mic, can be scientifically measured.

    the WORTH of a mic, is entirely subjective.


    what i'm trying to say is that a microphone's usefulness or quality is not necessarily a function of it's price and is not restricted to what the o'scope says. 

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 16:50:11 (permalink)
    yes.
    we're saying the same thing.


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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 20:16:32 (permalink)
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    is price the only determining factor for quality?
    how do the facts that anthony kiedis, james hettfield and micheal jackson sing/have sung on an sm7 play into that determination? especially considering the fact that m.j's "thriller" is the biggest selling record in history? i would have to say it's capable of being rather "high quality."


    The rumor I heard was that it was an SM57.  regardless, what that really states is that the quality from that recording came from the the performance and the recording, mixing and mastering engineers and producers.


    Hey I just got a Martin D-35 (brag brag brag) what mic would you use on that ?
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 20:37:57 (permalink)
    Seriously for your budget I would check out the Sennheiser MK 4, it's basically Neumann engineering made in Germany under the Sennheiser brand, a basic side address mic, no pad or anything. 

    If you're looking for a great all round mic around that range I'd look at the Sennheiser MK 4 or a Shure SM7b 


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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 21:37:07 (permalink)
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    is price the only determining factor for quality?
    how do the facts that anthony kiedis, james hettfield and micheal jackson sing/have sung on an sm7 play into that determination? especially considering the fact that m.j's "thriller" is the biggest selling record in history? i would have to say it's capable of being rather "high quality."


    The rumor I heard was that it was an SM57.  regardless, what that really states is that the quality from that recording came from the the performance and the recording, mixing and mastering engineers and producers.


    Hey I just got a Martin D-35 (brag brag brag) what mic would you use on that ?


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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 22:01:01 (permalink)
    There is one place, a "Photo and Audio" online store that has the MXO Genesis tube condenser for 495 and from what I read it is really a LOT of mic for the price. Comes with a Mullard 12AX7, a dedicated power supply, screen, and cable... and it looks AWESOME gold/red capsule.
     
    Here is the MXL link. I found one review but I forget where it is, maybe Amazon...
     
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/26 22:18:37 (permalink)
    Thank you, everyone, for your suggestions. I have checked all of them out and am looking over the details with much care.

    I've been leaning toward the Rode NT1:
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NT1AAnniv/

    After reading into the matter more, I believe I need a large diaphragm condenser mic, I've seen Rode recommended elsewhere, the reviews are all positive, it comes with the full shabang package including a shockmount and pop shield, and the price is right.

    But I can't ignore all the suggestions of a mic like the Shure SM27. But with the higher price and fewer reviews, I'm not sure that this would be the wiser choice.

    Objective thoughts?


    (Again, I will be using the mic only for recording hard rock vocals and speech dialogue, and possibly guitar amps and a touch of acoustic guitar in the future. No plans for recording drums, live audio, etc.)
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/27 01:22:03 (permalink)
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    is price the only determining factor for quality?
    how do the facts that anthony kiedis, james hettfield and micheal jackson sing/have sung on an sm7 play into that determination? especially considering the fact that m.j's "thriller" is the biggest selling record in history? i would have to say it's capable of being rather "high quality."


    The rumor I heard was that it was an SM57.  regardless, what that really states is that the quality from that recording came from the the performance and the recording, mixing and mastering engineers and producers.


    Hey I just got a Martin D-35 (brag brag brag) what mic would you use on that ?


    audio technica 4021


    Wow.. you could be right it worked great on this guy's Martin.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/27 10:15:00 (permalink)
    This one looks sweet too and it handles pretty high SPLs... I was looking at it last night in the SW print catalog.
     
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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/27 11:23:48 (permalink)
    Bruce Swedien used an SM7B on Thriller. There are numerous statements by him on the internet and in his book "Make Mine Music". Just last week Dave Pensado did an interview with him, which is on Youtube, where he calls this out as well. Keep in mind however it was plugged into a Neve 1084.

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    Re:Microphone Recommendations? 2011/04/27 11:32:33 (permalink)
    "plugged into a Neve 1084"


    Does that mean they didn't use the custom built Harrison 3240?


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