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2016/01/15 19:40:40 (permalink)

Midi Guitar

 
Midi Guitar 2 Beta 11 has been released. Just downloaded but no time to play right now.   Dan
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/15 20:49:17 (permalink)
Thanks Dan......I just downloaded and will play with it tonight.
 
Here's more info on version 11:


WHATS NEW:
* Tracking: Pitch bend accuracy improvements
* Tracking: Small CPU improvements
* New: Cabinet Mining – truly custom tone
* New: A few preset patches
* Fixed: Plugin scanner should be faster and more reliable
* Fixed: Compatibility issue with some ASIO drivers on Windows
* Fixed: Issue with sustain pedal and bends
* Fixed: Avoid using MIDI CC123 for all-notes-off
* Fixed: Program change using numbered patches
* Fixed: Dropdowns/selectors is more touch-screen friendly and visible in all DAWs





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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 00:05:53 (permalink)
Holy Chalumbas...
 
What Presonus Studio One ver 3 did to wipe out competition in the DAW world, Midi Guitar did in the audio to midi software world. Even if in the beta mode, this update broke the mold. Almost there with the best hardware alternatives. Real celebration for us that can't justify 2000 dollars getting Roland working.
 
First friggin' software on the planet that responds expressively to subtle vibrato. Critical advance.
 
With my rig (and Midi Guitar out of the box), the pitch bend has to be enabled. Somewhat counter intuitive, but the pitch bend by default is set to a lower numerical number on the 1 to 12 scale. Too excess by default, and I roll it back all the way to 12 on the other end, being the least responsive. (More equals less)
 
The program will not exactly duplicate the actual real world range of bend, but close enough. Resolution to integral half steps in a bend are accurate, if getting there is a minor bit off. No jagged steps and artifacts however. This opposed to the super sensitive settings (lower number resolution) where your guitar is flying all over the place out of tune and out of control.
 
The ability to have the guitar running a string synth and getting real vibrato control is a joy. Never been able to pull this off before.
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 10:40:58 (permalink)
I downloaded the trail version and was suitably impressed once my GAS gland (Wallet) has recovered from the current SONAR update I might just need to scratch it again. 

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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 14:04:47 (permalink)
Yes, that's a big +100 on the pitch bend!!
That just enabled a lot of feeling/emotion in playing MG synth's.......excellent update this is......and this is from just the initial playing with version 11.

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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 14:52:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/01/16 16:41:17
Really nice...
 
Ole said he can now add "nice vibrato" to the features list.
 
Worth to note that so far, the new tracking features are not public, but downloadable to those who have purchased the product in the past.
 
Means that the demo available doesn't have these significant improvements. Means that if you are downloading a demo and like the program, the next release version will take control of your credit card.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 15:27:18 (permalink)
 
I have not had too much time to try it out but can agree that the improved pitch bend is great.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 15:50:33 (permalink)
I've owned the darn thing for over a year now and I just installed it. 
 
No time to play with it though. 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 16:37:08 (permalink)
I had never heard of this before. It looks very interesting. I didn't see any price on the website. Anyone know what they charge for a new customer?

Looks like version 2 is only in beta presently?

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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 16:41:57 (permalink)
$99.95 near the bottom of http://www.jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar/
Purchasing now gets v1, v2 (currently a beta) and I believe the bass version is thrown in too.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 17:51:28 (permalink)
Just checked their website and it's correct... If you add Midi Guitar to you basket, you'll find you get Midi Bass free.

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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 20:19:21 (permalink)
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I had never heard of this before. It looks very interesting. I didn't see any price on the website. Anyone know what they charge for a new customer?

Looks like version 2 is only in beta presently?

Lawa, this is truly great for us "non-keyboardists" and just being able to play our favourite ax to get synth sounds.....simply fantastic!! The response and tracking is excellent and the developer has been very good in updating the software. 
It's $99 and IMO.....totally worth every penny!!
 
Here's an thread about it from earlier this year: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Jam-Origin-MIDI-Guitar-m3189073.aspx
 

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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 21:17:32 (permalink)
Mesh, +1   worth every penny...
 
Been putting this brutal thru the ropes and it shines.
 
First time this ability has been available. Tracks even fast vibrato without flipping in to some quarter tone an octave above. Previous versions, as good as they were, was like playing thru molasses. Cool software previously, but forget trying to fit it into a mix. Either it blasted unacceptable volume spikes or did not track. Getting close to the real thing now. Latency also within irritating but acceptable bounds.
 
Response is limited by the vsti. Found that even Kontakt libraries vary in their response within a library. Example, vintage organs. Some respond to pitch and some samples do not. Likely something that can be scripted out if a life and death concern.
 
Guitar bangers advised to follow up on this gem, because enough kinks have been worked out that the program is almost real.
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/16 22:40:04 (permalink)
Must agree that this is a very nice piece of innovative software.  I have had it for a couple of years, and while it has limitations, it has improved with every release.  The tracking has improved and is functional as long as you play cleanly. In fact, while I own two Axons and one Roland midi guitar interfaces, I have not used anything but Jam Origin's Midi Guitar for well over a year now.  I am not going to sell my AXons (not yet at least), but Jam Origin is my goto for midi guitar for DAWs and being able to use all my soft synths is great. 
 
Also, the upgrades are free, and we get the Midi Bass Guitar free as well.  My advice, try the demo, buy the product.




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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 04:17:07 (permalink)
This is excellent News ...
 
Hey Mesh buddy looking good
 
Here's mine ,
 

 
I have been playing with Midi Guitar  2.0 Beta 11 for the past hour ....
OMG ....the pitch bending really works great
 
EDIT ,  I sent Ole an e mail to thank him and tell him how much I'm impressed with the New Beta Midi Guitar ....
He mentioned in his reply e mail back to me that they found a couple of bugs and that there will be a new release later today
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 07:42:16 (permalink)
They don't even have a basket now...it just says DOWNLOAD


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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 12:20:43 (permalink)
That's only for the v2 beta trial. If you want the v11 beta, you'll have to pay. Which I won't. Not paying for beta.
Edith says: right on, never pay for beta, better wait for the finalized version.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 13:17:45 (permalink)
Pretty sure I am not the only one here who purchased MG during the early adopter sale.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 13:22:29 (permalink)
Ahh Scook, here's hoping Ole will do another one, as long as it's in beta.

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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 14:20:39 (permalink)
Debating picking this up while you can get Bass for free...
 
Any idea how well this works with some of the popular plugins like OrangeTreeSamples Evolution series or Trilian?
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 15:49:00 (permalink)
Terra,
 
Don't have these units, but have used Kontakt 5 with their libraries without problem. Any synth should work as well. Have found that some are set to accept pitch bend and others not.
 
Ole said that the same license file for MidiGuitar will work to authorize MidiBass, so I assume that the offer is open ended. I bought the program as soon as it was out and can evidently unlock MidiBass as well.
 
In my ignorance, said that those demoing the release version couldn't audition the midi improvements in the beta.  Wrong...
 
Vst version is for those with a license, but the standalone version of the beta is available to demo.
 
Looking at the GAS syndrome, this software does not qualify. It's not another reverb or eq, but something completely different and vital to the arsenal now that it really works. This line of reasoning may even go over with the wives. I successfully convinced my better half and didn't even have to sleep on the porch again for buying redundant plugins. One should in theory be able to fire up the plastic card and go into debt with little or no guilt.
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 15:55:48 (permalink)
What I mean is a lot of these libraries use things like key switches or multiple patches for different articulations. I'm wondering how this would work with those to promote a more "freeplay" style of playing that works with plugins without having to spend a lot of time editing. If I have to record a track then spend 3 hours editing the midi to fit each individual articulation on the instrument, it's not worth it.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 15:56:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/01/17 20:29:07
 
TerraSin,
   I have just spent some time with Midi Guitar (not bass) and Trillian. I works well. With some of the velocity sensitive patches you can adjust the velocity gain to match your playing style and the sound you want. I have never used any of the Orange Tree stuff but imagine it will also work well. As with any synth in Midi Guitar time spent developing a clean playing style pays off. Hope this helps.    Dan
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/17 21:24:20 (permalink)
Best advice from King.
 
Clean playing style...
 
Midi Guitar revolutionary, but can't just plug in your axe and flail without coming to grips with what we are required to do to make it work.
 
Requires progressing beyond a lot of the indiscretions we are used to getting by with.
Not like another flanger plug. Requires relearning playing style if and when going thru the device.
 
Tough, but think it makes us better musicians for the minor struggle.
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/18 03:21:05 (permalink)
Oh my Goodness ,
 
I just found out for myself that The Jam Origin Midi Bass plug ( licensed Beta ) is absolutely something I have needed for a real long time and didn't even know it  
I've  been experimenting with it for a couple of hours in SONAR .
SO far  I think it is a really cool plug ..
I only own one Bass , a 4 string and this Midi Bass plug just opened up the door and made me feel like I just grabbed a few hundred new bass's for my Bass sounds ....
Meaning  all the VST instruments I never got to use for bass  I can now use because I like to play a real bass
(keys just ain't my thing ...)
 
I find it interesting that I can take my bass , play a bass part and blend that in with the midi bass part at the same time ...
a lot of real cool possibility's have just opened up for me ...
 
I effing Love this thing The Midi Bass plug tracks very good and It is Kicking Out Some Serious Bottom End   
 
anyway thanks for listening ,
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/18 06:30:06 (permalink)
Have you been able to update MIDI Bass to Beta 2 ? When I fire up MID Bass the window pops up telling there is an update, but the links say and take you to MIDI Guitar 2.0.4 Beta, which is exactly the same as the file of the same name that I downloaded back in July (according to the date in Windows) and contains the same files, 32 and 64bit Midi Guitar standalone and WhatsNew and EULA text files, no .dll's, scratching my head as how to get the latest Beta 2 for MIDI Bass.
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/18 06:56:00 (permalink)
Never mind, it is all sorted, it appears I neglected to install Beta 1.0.1 of MIDI bass, and thus replacing Beta 0.1.0 which would have solved the issue. In the meantime I sent a quick message to Ole and received a reply not 5 minutes later, that's when I realized that I had missed installing 1.0.1.
 
Oh, and new updates tonight (probably)
 
Hi Jeff,

 
Oh, sorry for the confusion. There is a bug in that old MB version.
 
I just tried the process, and worked:
1. Get MB BETA1 here (scroll down a bit): http://www.jamorigin.com/download/
2. You get the notification at startup, and a link to your email.
 
Btw. new updates with fixes coming tonight, probably.
 
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/18 08:29:46 (permalink)
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Have you been able to update MIDI Bass to Beta 2 ?




 Yes I'm on Midi Bass 1.0 Beta 2  ...w license and dll's
 
Jeff , I'm glad you sorted it out ...Ole sure is fast with them e mails
 
Yeah , it looks like maybe today or tomorrow we may get the most recent updated Beta's ......
Whew the tracking is lightning fast on the  current ones ...I look forward to seeing what got fixed .
 
all the best, 
 
Kenny
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/18 08:41:36 (permalink)
 
No surprise that you had a reply in 5 min. Jam Origin support is excellent. Ole is always quick to respond. I had a problem early on with the stand alone 64 bit not working and Ole was right on top of it.   Dan
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Re: Midi Guitar 2016/01/18 20:17:43 (permalink)
Bit more latency it seems in Midi Bass than Midi Guitar. Still about like a slap back echo and if necessary, a track can be dragged a few millisec to synchronize. Clean playing style, and Midi Bass tracks accurately. More of a challenge for me, but maybe because I'm not a bass player.
 
License for Midi Guitar does indeed activate Midi Bass.
 
John
 
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