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Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
I have a song that I'm currently working on. It's not finished, but I wanted a rough mix to give to the client. So far we have about 9 audio tracks, one instance of Superior Drummer consisting of about 6 drum tracks, and one bass track using Virtual Instruments bass.
I go to mix down a rough mix...and it takes about 15 minutes. I have already froze the drum and bass tracks, so why does say..."processing audio files" about 8 times before it mixes the song...?
I could see it, if I had not already froze the soft synths, but doesn't freezing the soft synths supposedly to take care of this?
When mixing audio tracks in Vegas Pro...it takes roughly 15 seconds to mix a complete song. I realize that Vegas doesn't have any soft synths....but....shouldn't Sonar be just mixing audio IF I have already froze all of the soft synths?
Then on top of that...I changed the level of the bass track....did a remix....and it went through "processing audio" on ALL of those tracks AGAIN.
I must be doing something wrong....it shouldn't take near this long to mix down a simple stereo track...and have to go through all this "processing" each time I try to do a mix.
Any pointers on what I'm doing wrong?
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 00:12:45
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Don't mixdown using all the tracks use your master buss.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 00:44:05
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John...I've tried just choosing the master bus...but get the message "no audio is present" or something to that affect.
It seems as though if I don't choose tracks, I get this message...even if I choose "what you hear" from the drop down list.
I will experiment with it tomorrow when I get to the studio. I know that this has got to be something simple...and just the fact that I am doing it wrong. That's why I wanted to ask here.
Thanks for the quick response...!
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 00:47:22
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By the way.... I am suppose to use "export audio"....correct?
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 00:56:34
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Select the tracks you want to export, ctrl-a will select them all, then export.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 00:56:37
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Teds_Studio
By the way.... I am suppose to use "export audio"....correct?
Yes. John...I've tried just choosing the master bus...but get the message "no audio is present" or something to that affect.
It seems as though if I don't choose tracks, I get this message...even if I choose "what you hear" from the drop down list.
I will experiment with it tomorrow when I get to the studio. I know that this has got to be something simple...and just the fact that I am doing it wrong. That's why I wanted to ask here.
Thanks for the quick response...!
This is the way I do it all the time. I do make sure that all audio is using my master buss. Don't use a preset. Select the master buss directly in the selection dialog window.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 01:15:03
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I'll have to try this tomorrow. I thought I had tried this, (choosing the master bus) but obviously I have not been doing it right. I knew there must be a simple way to get a mix besides having to wait for all of the soft synths tracks to render out every single time I try to do a mix.
I did notice that after it went through all the "processing audio data" for all those synth tracks...it would finally say "mixing audio". Then I would have my mix.
Thanks again.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 03:00:48
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- All tracks output to Master Bus
- Master Bus as the export source
Selecting the tracks is not necessary. If no tracks are selected, all tracks get exported.
Then again, in such a case you must mute the tracks you don't want to export.
I wonder if frozen synth tracks behave differently from bounced ones? Freezing, after all, is a different procedure from bouncing.
I've never experienced this "multiple rendering".
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 03:41:16
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Do you perhaps have any Audiosnap or time stretching of clips engaged in the song? That's the thing that takes so long to render in my experoence. Better to bounce those down to new tracks and archive the raw ones.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 04:12:18
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Try increasing the BounceBufSizeMsec variable in the ini file. (Prefs-->Audio--->Configuration File)
If it's set at zero it is using your audio card buffer size which may not be the most efficient for export. Try increasing it to 100 but anything up to about 350 may well help.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 04:57:56
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Make sure you don't have any 'clips' selected. Also make sure you don't have any region 'looped' or even just highlighted. Move the cursor / navigator to the beginning of the project.
Sometimes I get that error message and these steps have always fixed it.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 05:13:52
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Adji
Make sure you don't have any 'clips' selected. Also make sure you don't have any region 'looped' or even just highlighted. Move the cursor / navigator to the beginning of the project.
Sometimes I get that error message and these steps have always fixed it.
+1 to that
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 05:48:47
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I have already froze the drum and bass tracks, so why does say..."processing audio files" about 8 times before it mixes the song...? I could see it, if I had not already froze the soft synths, but doesn't freezing the soft synths supposedly to take care of this? So , which one is it? Have you frozen the tracks or have you frozen the synths? These are 2 completely different commands with equally different results, and the bigger question is, why are you freezing in the first place?
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 07:51:37
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I think, I thought I read somewhere to unfreeze tracks before exporting. Just thinkin' out loud.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 08:14:22
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When you do a mix...or an export , it is necessary for Sonar to render all the tracks that are not audio ...one by one..... into audio form first.....even if they are frozen. (as I understand it)
It has to be done one way or the other.... freezing a synth track is a temporary rendering to audio. If you bounce the tracks to audio and then archive the tracks I don't think you will have that long wait. It will simply process the project audio tracks to the export.
Since I mostly work in audio these days, I'm not 100% sure the info above is technically correct...... but close.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 08:34:51
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When I do an export, it usually consists of audio tracks (guitar/vocals) and unfrozen soft synth patches (Drums/Keys)
Sonar will only make one "pass" after which everything is rendered into a stereo .wav
Bouncing is different! If I was to bounce, say a dozen tracks from BFD2 - Sonar will make one pass for each track.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 08:42:59
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That's the behavior I see and I believe that is normal and I have to pray that it doesn't crash while its processing the audio data.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 08:43:48
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After you have recorded, edited, and mixed your song, you need to export it so it can be turned into a single stereo wave file. Either for putting it ip on the web or for sending for mastering
Here is how you do it:
1. Press CTL-A: This selects all tracks and clips in your project.
2. Selecting CTL-A should highlight your time-line, but if you want to only export part of the project, you go to the time ruler with your mouse and left click and drag all the area's you want exported.
3. Then you select File / Export / Audio. (contnue below)
Its just that easy cheasy.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 08:46:56
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I usually take any track I have frozen and bounce it to clip almost immediately.
I'm not even sure why I freeze it.
If I wish to re address the synth, sampler performance I just throw away the clip in the bounced track and do it all over again.
It seems like things act more streamlined and predictable that way.
I never thought about it much. Now I will :-)
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 09:01:41
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As LJB said above, the only time you just the multiple processing audio files message is when you have time stretched clips. They have to be independently run through the Izotope radius stretching at high quality before being rendered hence the extra process. I've been meaning to enhance that and do it in parallel to speed things up a bit. Sometime...
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 09:14:26
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Every time I stretch a clip I bounce to clip almost immediately after wards. Sometimes I immediately follow that by turning it int a Groove clip (again).
It seems like things act more streamlined and predictable that way.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 09:25:00
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As LJB said above, the only time you just the multiple processing audio files message is when you have time stretched clips. That's not true, Noel. I've never use time stretched clips and when I File-Export my projects, it goes through multiple iterations of Processing Audio before it does the actual mix. I do have one or two tracks with V-Vocal clips on them. This is where it crashes most of the time.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 12:34:18
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Friendly people !
Your answers have got me thinking that I may be doing something wrong, but to mix down I do NOT use "export", but "bounce to tracks", choosing just the Master as output. This gives me a new (single) stereo track of the mix, which I can then either throw away or keep as archive, export, or even further MASTER using tools etc.
But I generally only export when I have a finished product. Is this wrong ? Thx (sorry for the hijack)
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 12:59:19
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Not only is it unnecessary to freeze tracks, it is even unnecessary to record all the input. With external synths that have MIDI data in the project, I can select to include live input when exporting and the sounds from the external synths get included. (For finished products, of course, I record the synths so I will have the tracks if the synths ever stop working.) Naturally, you can't fast bounce this way.
When I freeze a synth track, I usually freeze the synth itself in the browser rather than the track.
Whether frozen or not, live input or not, my export seldom takes more than the length of the song plus a minute or so—and this is with 60+ tracks. I hope the other suggestions help.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 13:17:12
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I never see this type of thing and I export all the time. I use the same method CJ mentioned...
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 13:48:45
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Friendly people !
Your answers have got me thinking that I may be doing something wrong, but to mix down I do NOT use "export", but "bounce to tracks", choosing just the Master as output. This gives me a new (single) stereo track of the mix, which I can then either throw away or keep as archive, export, or even further MASTER using tools etc.
But I generally only export when I have a finished product. Is this wrong ? Thx (sorry for the hijack)
I use EXPORT after selecting ALL the tracks and then use the WHAT YOU HEAR preset (which is available in most cake products)... this gives me an exact replica of the project I have been working on with all FX and envelopes applied. It's easy enough to delete it if I have a new version tomorrow.... but yeah.. that's how I do it.
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 14:01:23
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I never use export.
I always bounce to track. That way, I have the mix in the project.
Then, to get it outside of Sonar for whatever, I just drag it out to where I want it (drag takes like 2 seconds).
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 14:05:40
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+1 on that. It keeps it all nicely together and is quicker by at least 5 seconds!
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 22:58:43
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OK....I thought that soft synths needed froze once you had them the way you wanted them...my first mistake. I did mess around with audio snap on a couple of the tracks (experimenting to seeing just how cool the feature is) ...my second mistake, or at least explains why I'm getting the "processing audio data".
Up until I purchased X1 back last winter, I had never had any experience with soft synths. I've always just used my hardware synths and drum modules.
Thanks for all the help and info guys. This really eases my mind knowing it was indeed something that I was doing wrong. And it REALLY helps knowing what that is...!
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Re:Mixing a song...is it really this complicated...?
2012/09/19 23:04:00
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BTW....what is the reason for freezing if you need to unfreeze before mixing down? Is it to free up processing power of the DAW? I have a fairly powerful PC especially for doing audio....it works fine for working on HD video which I also do on this same PC, so I would think it would handle audio with ease. So if I understand this right...I really have no need to freeze anything unless my PC is getting bogged down? edited to fix typo
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