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Mods, Rockers, Punks, Rude Boys, Skins, Teddy Boys, Greasers, Goths, New Romantics...
Where have they all gone?
Where are the musical 'tribes' these days?
What happened to the Zeitgeist?
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2014/10/03 14:41:29
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Most of those subcultures are still around and some are even thriving. Hip hop and electronica are less expensive to produce en masse though and it's easier to control the message coming out of them so that's what's top of the pops.
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2014/10/03 14:57:01
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Yes, I know you can still find all the ones I mentioned, but their original 'moment' has long gone. What I'm getting at is that there doesn't appear to be any new melding of music-fashion-politics as in the past.
When I started going to pubs and clubs it was the tail end of punk, heading into 'Two-Tone' - sharp dressed kids into Madness, The Specials, The Selector, The Beat etc. Of course they were harking back to reggae and ska music and mod fashion for inspiration, but there was an identity that kids latched onto. I don't see anything like that now.
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2014/10/03 15:10:36
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Yes, I know you can still find all the ones I mentioned, but their original 'moment' has long gone.
Consider this: You are but the moment. You are gone from that place and time. It still exists if you will it to. Or........ there is no spoon. Ask Bubba.
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2014/10/03 15:24:02
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2014/10/03 15:34:27
The underground hip hop and various dance sub genres seem to be the counterculture gathering points these days. I've been to some of those events and around the people so as somewhat of a foreigner to all that had some of the divisions explained and afterwards could tell the nuances when presented with them. It's kind of like how the parents of purveyors of the genres you mentioned or people on the outside of the movements may not appreciate the distinctions or culture behind them ("it all sounds/looks the same to me, sonny!!!") but those in that environment could (and can) definitely tell.
Then there are all the flavors of the popular "indie rock" styles (indie rock being such a ludicrous term when referencing some very mainstream acts... yurgh) of which I got thrust into on occasion due to hipsterish acquaintances thinking it would be humorous to have their crazy punk buddy come to the show and freak out the skinny jeans crowd (which of course I played up because lulzity).
The other thing is music is so varied, accessible and in many cases homogenized these days that individual movements can't gain the traction they once did. There are fads and scenes but they aren't quite as isolated or unique due to fusions of styles, tastes that cross larger spectrums without fear of persecution (like a metal fan having some Hank Williams in his collection in the old days) and much easier access to that spectrum (internet/itunes vs. bootlegs, college radio or dropping serious coin on releases).
I think the really special things that happen these days musically are in extreme microcosms comprised of tight knit local groups of musicians and their fanbases. The smaller movements are sharp and edgy like the older ones but once they gain any real traction they drowned out or dulled by the rest of the noise. No more aggressive and catastrophic tidal waves. Just the ebb and flow of a more general tide in a much larger ocean.
Also... we all got old. lulz
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2014/10/03 15:25:15
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A lot of the original punks are still around and still dressed exactly the same as they were 35 years ago, only with a bit less hair and a lot more wrinkles. I was in a band with some older punks when I was 16 and am still in touch on Facebook. You have to hand it to them - into their 50's and they're still living the lifestyle. A lot of them said they were "punks for life" back then and they clearly meant it.
I see youngsters dressed as punks today and it just looks like they're on their way to a fancy dress party. They do not have the attitude. It's hard to look punk when you're snapping Instagram selfies.
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2014/10/03 15:30:02
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I think the really special things that happen these days musically are in extreme microcosms comprised of tight knit local groups of musicians and their fanbases. The smaller movements are sharp and edgy like the older ones but once they gain any real traction they drowned out or dulled by the rest of the noise. No more aggressive and catastrophic tidal waves. Just the ebb and flow of a more general tide in a much larger ocean.
Beepster, you talk a lot of sense. Very well put.
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2014/10/03 15:34:30
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I got tired very quickly of the younger "punks". The fancy froo froo suburban kids were always a joke but the new gen of crustoids who look like they get it seem to mostly be just using it as an excuse to smell bad, do crappy drugs, beg for free money and create a nuisance of themselves without all the actual thinking and purpose behind the original movement. Basically they took the crap parts and ignore what made it an important movement. Many also choose to ignore the life lessons of the older dudes who managed to survive the first wave(s).
There are however some extremely awesome kids walking the walk and fighting the fight. They will be the survivors of this current crop of weirdos and they have my full respect and support.
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2014/10/03 15:37:55
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The underground hip hop and various dance sub genres seem to be the counterculture gathering points these days. I've been to some of those events and around the people so as somewhat of a foreigner to all that had some of the divisions explained and afterwards could tell the nuances when presented with them.
The problem with the dance scene now is that it's nothing new or revolutionary, so it's missing that whole vibe. I was there at some of those early acid raves and it was a wonderful atmosphere, something genuinely new. We'd see older guys of 30-40 at those parties who would tell us that it was like nothing they'd experienced back in "their" day. But if I went to a rave now as an older guy, could I say the same thing? Hardly - we've done it all before. To be honest if someone was to go back in time and play some of today's "hottest" EDM to us in the early 90's, we wouldn't have batted an eyelid. In fact much of it has that commercial pop tinge that we hated back then because it signified the rise of the cheesy superclubs and the egocentric big name DJ's toward the mid 90's. I'd like to think that kids these days were experiencing something underground and revolutionary, but with the advent of the Internet and social media I'm not sure that's possible any more.
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Where have they all gone?
Where are the musical 'tribes' these days?
What happened to the Zeitgeist?
They all got a mention in here... Everything is pretty much the same these days, I know exactly what you mean mate. First it was Stock, Aitken & Waterman, and now it's Simon Cowell who decides what gets recorded. And part of the problem with sh1te like Pop Idol and X-Factor is that everyone wants to famous yesterday, without having to go through the 'sleeping in the back of a Transit and playing every night trying to build up a fanbase' right of passage. I could almost watch X-Factor and its ilk if the contestants actually wrote their own tunes. Let's be honest, it's nothing more than Karaoke on TV. Lyrics for Last Gang In Town: Everybody's looking for last gang in town You better watch out for they're all comin' around The sport of today is exciting The in crowd are into infighting When some punk sees some rock-olla It's rock and roll all over In every street and every station Kids fight like different nations And it's brawn against brain And it's knife against chain But it's all young blood Flowing down the drain The Crops hit the Stiffs An' the Spikes whipped the Quiffs They're all looking 'roundFor the last gang in townMeanwhile down in black town Those old soul rebels are haingin' around An' when some punk come alooking for sound Rastaferi goes to ground The white heart flipped his pocket dipped 'Cos a black sharp knife never slips And they never say to one antoher That tomorrow we might kill our brothers Down from the edge of London The rockabily rebels came From another edge of London Skinhead gangs call out their name But not the Zydeco kids From the high rise Though they can't be recognized When you hear a cajun fiddle Then you're nearly in the middle Of the last gang in town
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2014/10/03 15:40:43
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Beepster, you talk a lot of sense. Very well put.
Uh oh... when I start making sense something is very wrong. Please contact your nearest medical center or psychiatric facility. ;-p But, yeah... I didn't realize it for many years but I almost exclusively went to and played shows in those microcosms. Whenever I'd venture out to a big show or play one it rubbed me completely the wrong way and I did not have any fun at all. I do hate overly large crowds though and I think there is a maximum size a venue can be before the sound starts to suck complete pickle shafts.
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2014/10/03 15:43:48
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David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
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2014/10/03 15:47:51
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jamesg1213
Where have they all gone?
Where are the musical 'tribes' these days?
What happened to the Zeitgeist?
They all got a mention in here...
Everything is pretty much the same these days, I know exactly what you mean mate.
First it was Stock, Aitken & Waterman, and now it's Simon Cowell who decides what gets recorded.
And part of the problem with sh1te like Pop Idol and X-Factor is that everyone wants to famous yesterday, without having to go through the 'sleeping in the back of a Transit and playing every night trying to build up a fanbase' right of passage.
I could almost watch X-Factor and its ilk if the contestants actually wrote their own tunes. Let's be honest, it's nothing more than Karaoke on TV.
To a certain extent, it was always thus (Chinn-Chapman cornered the market in the '70's, Holland-Dozier-Holland before them)..except things would burst through occasionally, and capture the youth imagination. I know it's probably a middle-aged bloke thing, but I'm looking for any kind of 'movement' here where music defines the time, and I'm coming up short. The last time seems to me to have been Brit-Pop or Rave culture in the '90's.
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Beepster
The underground hip hop and various dance sub genres seem to be the counterculture gathering points these days. I've been to some of those events and around the people so as somewhat of a foreigner to all that had some of the divisions explained and afterwards could tell the nuances when presented with them.
The problem with the dance scene now is that it's nothing new or revolutionary, so it's missing that whole vibe. I was there at some of those early acid raves and it was a wonderful atmosphere, something genuinely new. We'd see older guys of 30-40 at those parties who would tell us that it was like nothing they'd experienced back in "their" day. But if I went to a rave now as an older guy, could I say the same thing? Hardly - we've done it all before. To be honest if someone was to go back in time and play some of today's "hottest" EDM to us in the early 90's, we wouldn't have batted an eyelid. In fact much of it has that commercial pop tinge that we hated back then because it signified the rise of the cheesy superclubs and the egocentric big name DJ's toward the mid 90's.
I'd like to think that kids these days were experiencing something underground and revolutionary, but with the advent of the Internet and social media I'm not sure that's possible any more.
I bet if you poked around Manhattan you could find some creme de la creme in the back alley spots and warehouses. If it ain't there it likely ain't anywhere.
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2014/10/03 15:51:03
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David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
Thanks for the reminder Sharke, you've mentioned that book before, and I'm going to order a copy.
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2014/10/03 15:58:52
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sharke
David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
Thanks for the reminder Sharke, you've mentioned that book before, and I'm going to order a copy.
Oh bugger, that's £10.49 about to be vacuumed out of my bank account 
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sharke
David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
Thanks for the reminder Sharke, you've mentioned that book before, and I'm going to order a copy.
Oh bugger, that's £10.49 about to be vacuumed out of my bank account
mine too, just had the confirmation email...
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sharke
David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
Thanks for the reminder Sharke, you've mentioned that book before, and I'm going to order a copy.
Oh bugger, that's £10.49 about to be vacuumed out of my bank account
mine too, just had the confirmation email...
Even though it wasn't a direct recommendation from you, it's still your fault. Your thread, your fault. If I was in any position to do so, I would administer you a sound rebuking.
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2014/10/03 16:08:11
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Sorry, but I can't help pissing myself every time I see, hear, read, or even think about the work "rebuke" And yes, I know - 'see' and 'read' amount to pretty much the same thang.
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2014/10/03 16:10:30
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A lot of the original punks are still around and still dressed exactly the same as they were 35 years ago, only with a bit less hair and a lot more wrinkles. I was in a band with some older punks when I was 16 and am still in touch on Facebook. You have to hand it to them - into their 50's and they're still living the lifestyle. A lot of them said they were "punks for life" back then and they clearly meant it.
When I read this, the smell of stale beer, mold, concrete, iron, leather and weed came to me.
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sharke
A lot of the original punks are still around and still dressed exactly the same as they were 35 years ago, only with a bit less hair and a lot more wrinkles. I was in a band with some older punks when I was 16 and am still in touch on Facebook. You have to hand it to them - into their 50's and they're still living the lifestyle. A lot of them said they were "punks for life" back then and they clearly meant it.
When I read this, the smell of stale beer, mold, concrete, leather and weed came to me.
You should move.
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sharke
A lot of the original punks are still around and still dressed exactly the same as they were 35 years ago, only with a bit less hair and a lot more wrinkles. I was in a band with some older punks when I was 16 and am still in touch on Facebook. You have to hand it to them - into their 50's and they're still living the lifestyle. A lot of them said they were "punks for life" back then and they clearly meant it.
When I read this, the smell of stale beer, mold, concrete, leather and weed came to me.
You should move.
Or at least, hoover.
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sharke
A lot of the original punks are still around and still dressed exactly the same as they were 35 years ago, only with a bit less hair and a lot more wrinkles. I was in a band with some older punks when I was 16 and am still in touch on Facebook. You have to hand it to them - into their 50's and they're still living the lifestyle. A lot of them said they were "punks for life" back then and they clearly meant it.
When I read this, the smell of stale beer, mold, concrete, leather and weed came to me.
You should move.
I tried http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrjcidnrB6s
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I've been giving this some thought and while I am not so sure yet, one thing I can tell is that as a teenager in the 80's and early 90's, I witnessed the end of an era where every genre was exclusive of every others. There were strict rules, for exemple: you can't mix keyboard and heavy metal - dixit Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden around 1985. You can't like Michael Jackson AND Judas Priest. You can't do this or that. Until bands like Metallica and Slayer came along, we metal heads were at war with punks - as in fighting in the streets and all. Likes mods and rockers before us. You identified with one or the other, and there was no in between. But then those thrash metal bands showed up and the line began to blur - metal bands were openly citing punk bands among their influences. And everything started becoming way more relaxed. Then the first thing you know, there's footage of James Hetfield with a telecaster and a cowboy hat playing country riffs. By the end of the 80s, bands were disregarding those boundaries, mixing rap and metal and whatever. I guess fans also became less rigid in the posturing. Except w/ hip hop.
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Mods, Rockers, Punks, Rude Boys, Skins, Teddy Boys, Greasers, Goths, New Romantics...
Where have they all gone?
Where are the musical 'tribes' these days?
What happened to the Zeitgeist?
They're called "Forum Hosts" now I believe... 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Yup I live near enough to Camden and I am Goth royalty.
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2014/10/07 17:10:05
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Where have they all gone?
Most of them will be skinheads now and not by free will
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Re: Mods, Rockers, Punks, Rude Boys, Skins, Teddy Boys, Greasers, Goths, New Romantics...
2014/10/09 09:45:58
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SteveStrummerUK
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sharke
David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
Thanks for the reminder Sharke, you've mentioned that book before, and I'm going to order a copy.
Oh bugger, that's £10.49 about to be vacuumed out of my bank account
4.99 for the kindle version Strummy...
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jamesg1213
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Re: Mods, Rockers, Punks, Rude Boys, Skins, Teddy Boys, Greasers, Goths, New Romantics...
2014/10/09 12:31:40
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Wood67
SteveStrummerUK
jamesg1213
sharke
David Byrne's book "How Music Works" is an excellent read if you're interested in this subject. He writes a lot about scenes and how they come about. Great book.
Thanks for the reminder Sharke, you've mentioned that book before, and I'm going to order a copy.
Oh bugger, that's £10.49 about to be vacuumed out of my bank account
4.99 for the kindle version Strummy...
My copy arrived yesterday, it's a beautiful book for a tenner.
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