Monitoring input with post fader effects (Guitar Rig)?

Oof... I've been poking at this for an hour or so now so I figured it was time to bug you guys yet again. I want to have my input go from My Bass > Scarlett interface (multi in one set to Instr) > mono Bass track in X1 (to be recorded dry but I want Guitar Rig to be applied to the monitor signal) > Scarlett > main Monitor/Headphone outs. I have been getting a recordable signal within X1 when I use both the Active Monitor (Zero Latency Monitoring) setting and the DAW setting in the Focusrite MixControl. However I cannot get any monitoring signal (I cannot hear my bass in the headphones) when I set MixControl to the DAW monitor setting (which is supposed to receive the final signal from X1 Master bus... I think) but with the Active Monitoring setting I can. Beyond that Guitar Rig does not seem to be receiving the signal at all after I have inserted it into the FX bin of the bass track. The bass track input is set to Focusrite 1 left (and as I said I am getting signal) and the output is set to Master bus. I know I am just missing an extremely simple routing tweak here but I'm at a loss. Any help would be great and if I need to provide more info just let me know. Thanks, guys.

Oh well. I guess everyone's gigging or something. Happy friday, ya'll.

You lost me on the post-fader stuff. Guitar Rig will only work in realtime if the Echo button is enabled, in other words it will show no input signal just as the track meters show no input signal if the Echo is not enabled. Once the track is recorded you can turn the Echo button off and Guitar Rig will still process the recorded signal, but of course is still non-destructive to the original recording so you can still tweak away.

Beepster


Yeah, I made a complete n00b flub.

That's in the Human Help file under the section "Learning"

Heh... indeed. Still very much learning. Cheers!

Right on, man. Thanks. I just feel a little silly about that one. I knew about the echo button and kept saying to myself as I was working through tuts "I gotta remember that... I gotta remember that... I gotta remember that..." but sure enough I forgot. I was poking around at every darned setting I could think of until I clicked that glorious little button. lulz...

@mudgel... Cool. That's what was missing in my thought process. But what happens when I actually DO want to record an effect? Or is that just not done anymore?

Beepster


@mudgel... Cool. That's what was missing in my thought process. But what happens when I actually DO want to record an effect? Or is that just not done anymore?

Unless you're running out of CPU or disk space you just leave the effect in the Bin. It will print the effects to the final mix when you mixdown (Export Audio). This allows you to alter the effect up untill mixdown (and after if you save the project files). If you want to apply  the effect there are a few ways. Go to Process>Apply Audio effects if you want to permanently overwrite the recorded file. Freeze it and it will automatically apply the effects so you use less CPU but still allows you to go back later and alter the effect parameters (you have to unfreeze to alter effect parameters: it applies the effects non-destructively).

chuckebaby


thats a whole other game.
you need to put the effects in the clip bin not the effects bin.

Putting the effects in the Clip Bin would accomplish nothing.
 
It makes them much harder to access.
 
If the recording was not a single take then there will be multiple clips and the effects will ony affect the clip they were dragged to but not the other clips in the same track unless you combine them which makes subsequent editing more difficult.
 
It would not decrease CPU usage.
 
So how is it beneficial?
 
One of the only practical uses of the Clip Bin is if you want different clips in the same track to have different effects.

Beepster


One thing I'm finding annoying is that when I record a second take on the same track I have to mute the first take. Nuendo used to just silence the first take automatically. Then I could bring the various takes up to the top with a key binding. It was great for comparing different solos on guitar tracks... and well, all sorts of other stuff. Can I do this in X1?

 
One option is to just drag the recorded clip to a new audio track and archive it. Then if you want it later it’s still there. Another cool option is to set it to loop record. Select the entire region you’re going to record over. Go to Record Options and under Loop Recording set it to place takes on multiple tracks. Say you’re recording a solo - it will record where you have selected and when it hits the end of the selection it will loop back to the beginning and keep recording. Every time it records over that selection it will place the recording in a new track. You can knock off several takes without stopping and disrupting the flow and then go back and sort thru the aftermath later. Over time you`ll see how useful this can be.
 
Theoretically, you could also set it up to record as a Punch In instead and set Mute Previous Takes in Record Options.
 
You can also select the first recorded clip after you record it and click Q which will mute the clip. Problem is it`s still ùnder`the other clip and even if you click Track Layers it doesn`t seem any easier to access. Maybe someone else knows an easier way to accomplish this.

Bristol_Jonesey


I think if you have layers & loop enabled on your track then each successive take will be muted.

I think what you're describing is you record a take, stop, listen to it, then go back and do another one yes?

If you just continuously loop and record several takes, each previous one will be muted

True, just as I mentioned. The problem with this approach on a single track is that it still leaves each take physically buried under another unless you set it to go to seperate tracks. And as Beepster asked, there doesn`t appear to be a convenient way to sort thru various takes if they`re all stacked on top of each other in a single track. Not an insurmountable problem but an unneccesary pain in the rear unless you know of some key binding stuff I`m unaware of - quite possible!

Hey SToons... I notice your apostrophes are on Alt+French character. Is that intentional or is it bugging you? I have to fix my laptop to not do that every so often iffen you wanna change it back. ;-)

Beepster


Hey SToons... I notice your apostrophes are on Alt+French character. Is that intentional or is it bugging you? I have to fix my laptop to not do that every so often iffen you wanna change it back. ;-)

No, it`s some forum screw up. If I close the forum and come back on it will be fixed. It also messes qith question marks and stuff occassionally. Honestly don`t know the real root of the problem.

Beepster - three quick comments on this. I use Guitar Rig 5 all the time, and as you know from our other message strings I also depend on the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 for audio inputs.

1. You can use track layers for multiple takes on one track. By doing so, after each take Sonar can be set to auto mute the previous take and only keeps the current take audible. Great technique for running a loop record on a section and getting multiple tries on it. Then you can go back and cherry pick your best moments from the separate takes and it's all on one track.

2. Guitar Rig 5 sounds are awesome - but GRig can take up a bunch of CPU while cranking out the choice sounds. I always freeze a GRig track which gives me the fully loaded GRig sound, but takes GRig out of the CPU. Addit

SToons

Bristol_Jonesey


I think if you have layers & loop enabled on your track then each successive take will be muted.

I think what you're describing is you record a take, stop, listen to it, then go back and do another one yes?

If you just continuously loop and record several takes, each previous one will be muted

True, just as I mentioned. The problem with this approach on a single track is that it still leaves each take physically buried under another unless you set it to go to seperate tracks. And as Beepster asked, there doesn`t appear to be a convenient way to sort thru various takes if they`re all stacked on top of each other in a single track. Not an insurmountable problem but an unneccesary pain in the rear unless you know of some key binding stuff I`m unaware of - quite possible!

I might be missing something here, but if you enable layers and maximise the track height, all of your recorded layers are instantly visible, each with their own mute & solo buttons