konradh
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Mono v Stereo
Stupid question of the year, but how do I create Mono track? Whenever I insert an audio track, it is stereo. If I want to record a Mono synth, I then have to convert all the clips to Mono. Surely there is some way to create a Mono track from the start. THanks.
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konradh
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 16:47:40
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For the record, I see that Icon in Inspector that says Interleave=Stereo and I can change it to Interleave=Mono, but it still see the recording going down as left and right waves. Thanks.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 16:53:35
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To create a mono track, you need to record a mono source. To convert a stereo track to mono, you just click the track interleave to mono FYI: some scenarios Most synths are stereo. Recording a vocal with one mic is mono. Recording a snare drum with 1 mic is mono. Recording drum overheads with a left and right mic is stereo, unless you record each mic onto a separate track and then its mono. Cj
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 17:12:56
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Let's say I have a synth with stereo outputs plugged into two inputs of my interface. The synth sound itself is mono. If I pan the synth all the way to one side, I will have a mono source. I could change the track inputs to pick up just the left side—the appropriate interface input. Then will I see a seemingly steror track with one side blank, or will I get a true Mono track? Am I missing something/ Thanks, bro. Hey, I have a project coming up I'd like to talk to you about mastering. Will send you a PM in a few weeks.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 17:35:10
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If you record each synth onto a separate mono track, then each track is mono. If you record each input onto a stereo track, its stereo. If you play the 2 mono tracks you will create a stereo sound Let's say I have a synth with stereo outputs plugged into two inputs of my interface. The synth sound itself is mono Well the sound of the 2 mono tracks will be in stereo when you play them. There each a mono track, but when played together, they create a stereo sound. Look at it like this. The color blue is the color blue and the color yellow is, well yellow. When you combine the 2 colors, you get green. It doesn't change the fact that you the color blue is not blue still. It is, but when combined with yellow, it makes green. I bet your completely lost now LOL Most songs are recorded with mono tracks and these tracks when played together created a stereo sound. Well talk later about the other Cj
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 19:07:03
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I could change the track inputs to pick up just the left side—the appropriate interface input. Then will I see a seemingly steror track with one side blank, or will I get a true Mono track? If you record a mono input (or one side of a stereo pair) you should see a mono track - and not a stereo track with one side silent. Don
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 19:13:14
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What are the things we should record in Mono and what things in Stereo?
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 20:11:01
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Mono source should be recorded in mono. A stereo source should be recorded in stereo. Most audio sources are mono, like your vocals, kick drum, hi hat, bass guitar and so on. CJ
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 20:21:35
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This question can be more difficult to answer than it might appear. I think the simplest way to decide is to ask yourself whether the source is mono or stereo. - If you have one mic as an input it is mono. - If you are using a pair of mics to capture a single source. For example room mics on a drum kit. It would be stereo. Or two mono tracks if you want to process each side separately. - If the source has a stereo effect applied BEFORE it is captured (for example, the stereo output of a Pod, stereo synth/piano) it is stereo. - There is no need to capture in stereo if the input is mono even if you intend to apply stereo effects such as stereo delay/reverb/chorus/phaser... You can record a mono source as mono and still use stereo effects (turn on stereo interleave). Some people are confused by mono vs stereo because they think of something panned in the stereo field as stereo. In most cases it is mono and panned to wherever you want it to appear in the stereo field. It is very rare to record a solo vocal in stereo but it is done. Bruce Swedien used stereo mics on many of Michael Jackson's recordings. If you are going to do this you are doing it to capture the "room" sound along with the voice/instrument - and you better have a good sounding room. If you are using a single (mono) mic to record something you gain absolutely nothing by recording it in stereo track. Both tracks will be identical and you will have to jump through hoops (Sonar's Channel Tool) to pan the track in the stereo field. Don
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 20:25:34
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CJ and I have been saying the same things in different ways in the last few posts. In both cases I have started my appends before CJ's appends have appeared. I don't mean to make it look like I disagree with CJ. I totally agree with him. He types faster!
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 23:24:35
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Thanks, guys. The concepts are not problems, it's just the quirks of how Sonar works with the V-Studio 700. Before this kit, I was used to single mono tracks and channels that could be linked to stereo pairs, so the operational details are a bit different. No worries--thanks.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/09 23:50:46
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One thing to keep in mind is that even if its a "mono" synth it may be in stereo. Often when mono is used to describe a synth what is meant is monopoly not monophonic. Monopoly is one voice. Monophonic is one audio channel.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/10 02:42:13
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One thing to keep in mind is that even if its a "mono" synth it may be in stereo. Often when mono is used to describe a synth what is meant is monopoly not monophonic. Monopoly is one voice. Monophonic is one audio channel. This should clear things up for you. You're welcome.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/10 03:05:26
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Nice one Heather! CJ, Don, Help me clarify this. So do you record vocals to a stereo track (Sonar's default) and then convert the track to mono, i.e just the one waveform line? Or do you leave the dual waveform? In other words, is a track a mono track because it was recorded from a mono source, whether the track is stereo (two waveforms) or mono (one)? John
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/10 03:20:34
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If its a mono source you should use a mono track. Before you record the input should be either left or right on most audio devices and Sonar will set up a mono track. If you set the input to stereo it will create a stereo track. If for some reason this gets screwed up simply change the track interleave to the right one, stereo or mono.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/10 03:35:36
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Sorry if the terms are inaccurate the idea is not though. A hardware synth can have only one voice yet output in stereo. Most softsynths output in stereo even though they maybe an emulation of a hardware mono synth. Some few are pure mono others can be a mixture. Battery can do both at the same time. Some drums can be in stereo and others in mono. Its all about knowing what the synth does and how to set it up.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/10 12:32:17
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CJ, Don, Help me clarify this. So do you record vocals to a stereo track (Sonar's default) and then convert the track to mono, i.e just the one waveform line? A vocal is a mono source when recorded with one mic, so i never ever record a mono source into a stereo track. I record a vocal into a mono track. There is no reason why you should be recording mono source into a stereo track. Mono source records into a mono track and a stereo source recording into a stereo track Cj
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 08:43:45
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When I insert a new track (audio), I have to select the inputs for it. My options when I click on the INPUT for the track include: Stereo (R&L) Focusrite Saffire Left Focusrite Saffire Right Focusrite Saffire (the Focusrite Saffire is of course, my interface) The Stereo input is the default if I do not change it. BUT.... I always change it to Left Focusrite Saffire for most of my audio inputs even when I record the guitar from the POD2 which does have a stereo output on it. I have not really paid attention to the midi sourced synth tracks.... but I believe some of them are stereo and some are mono.... and I want to say I generally have them all in mono regardless.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 09:14:28
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When I insert a new track (audio), I have to select the inputs for it. My options when I click on the INPUT for the track include: Stereo (R&L) Focusrite Saffire Left Focusrite Saffire Right Focusrite Saffire ^^^ This is extremely important. you CHOOSE what you want recorded, Mono or Stereo, The choice is yours (depending on the source)
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 10:23:23
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I've recorded vocals in stereo accidently, and just converted to mono.. but it does increase the gain of the track as much as 10db. I always thought CJ and Konradh were the same person.. need to stop looking at just pictures. Durr
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 10:36:48
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californiamusic I've recorded vocals in stereo accidently, and just converted to mono.. but it does increase the gain of the track as much as 10db. I always thought CJ and Konradh were the same person.. need to stop looking at just pictures. Durr If you bounce down to Split Mono you'll not get the gain increase, just an additional track which you can delete.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 10:51:56
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konradh For the record, I see that Icon in Inspector that says Interleave=Stereo and I can change it to Interleave=Mono, but it still see the recording going down as left and right waves. Thanks. Your track type, Stereo or Mono, is automatically set based upon your your input source which is configured by your audio card drivers. For example, my Fast Track Ultra lists my input options as L (Left Mono), R (Right Mono), L+R (Stereo). Track Interleave changes automatically based upon your Input setting, which used to be no big deal when the icon for it was right there on each track, but it's easy to overlook now that it's hidden in the Track Inspector. In my opinion, Interleave should always be Stereo. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I used a VST that was actually designed for a Mono source and output Mono sound. I know there is a couple of them in the old tools that come with Sonar, but I've never used them. The other thing you can do, if you have a Stereo track you want to be Mono, just use the Channel Tool VST and set it for Mono, that way you don't have to convert your audio data and risk losing sound quality.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 11:20:46
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I always thought CJ and Konradh were the same person.. need to stop looking at just pictures. Durr I'm way way way more handsome then he is
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 11:29:56
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CJaysMusic CJ, Don, Help me clarify this. So do you record vocals to a stereo track (Sonar's default) and then convert the track to mono, i.e just the one waveform line?
A vocal is a mono source when recorded with one mic, so i never ever record a mono source into a stereo track. I record a vocal into a mono track. There is no reason why you should be recording mono source into a stereo track. Mono source records into a mono track and a stereo source recording into a stereo track Cj This is where I get confused. If I insert a new track, Sonar doesn't at that 'empty' stage let me define it as a mono track. So when I then record a vocal the track shows two waveforms, i.e. it's stereo bu default I can obviously then choose to convert the track to mono now it has content. Yes, I could first change the input to the track from my RME AIO soundcard to L or R, but that seems a bit odd. Which one should it be? Be patient with me, I know I must be missing something simple here!
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 11:33:48
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Skyline, when you inset a track and select the input for that track, so it can record form your sound card, that defines the track as mono or stereo. Fro example: If you select input 1 left stereo, then it will be a mono track If you select 1 left and 2 right stereo, then it will be a stereo track Note, all sound cards have different ways to describe the inputs Cj
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 12:34:37
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Skyline_UK This is where I get confused. If I insert a new track, Sonar doesn't at that 'empty' stage let me define it as a mono track. Correct. So when I then record a vocal the track shows two waveforms, i.e. it's stereo bu default I can obviously then choose to convert the track to mono now it has content. You can convert it, or use the Channel Tool plug-in and set it to Mono. Yes, I could first change the input to the track from my RME AIO soundcard to L or R, but that seems a bit odd. May be odd, but that's how it works. Which one should it be? Be patient with me, I know I must be missing something simple here!  You're not missing anything. What you described is exactly how Sonar is intended to work. Track Interleave changing on it's own makes it even more confusing. All Track Interleave does is make the output of the Track and FX Bin either Stereo or Mono. It doesn't have a permanent effect, it can be changed at any time. But ... Sonar changes it automatically when you set your Input. So be careful because 99% of the time you want a Mono track with Stereo effects, and that is not how Sonar works. If you set your Input to Mono, Interleave automatically changes to Mono.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 12:53:54
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Try this Skyline_UK, Before inserting a new "audio"track, make sure that the "Inspector" is visible on the screen. Insert new audio track. By default it will be stereo as indicated by the "Interleave" button..., which is blue. I guess Cakewalk could of programmed this insertion to be mono by default instead of stereo. But a default usually means (what's most commonly used or most likely to be used). Then, you still need to select the input device. If you select a mono input (L for example, as you want to record an acoustic guitar with 1 mic plugged into your left mic-pre), notice how the "Interleave" button changes to mono automatically. So this is what CJ is saying... "CJaysMusic" when you inset a track and select the input for that track, so it can record form your sound card, that defines the track as mono or stereo. Hope this helps!
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 13:02:13
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Yep, that's exactly what i'm saying.. Sonar doesn't know if your recording a stereo or mono track, until you select the recording input for that new track. CJ
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 13:43:07
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OK, this is still not working right. I have a mic plugged into one input in the V-Studio interface (in this case #8). I create a track. Sonar does not let me select stereo v mono. The input in the track Inspector says Right 7-8 which is how Sonar makes you pick an input. There is no way to pick 7 or 8: you have to pick 7-8 and then say whether you want left, right, or stereo. When I record, I get a stereo track with the same signal on both sides. I still see no way to record a mono track.
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Re:Mono v Stereo
2012/06/11 14:43:27
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What's all this "Sonar doesn't let me select stereo v mono"? Step 1 - insert an audio track Step 2 - from the Input box, SELECT which input you want to record on. They are usually arranged in three's - one for Left, one for Right and one for Stereo. The interleave will be automatically set Step 3 - plug something into the input you just selected and record!
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