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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 02:12:56
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SPECIAL NOTE: to previous posts in this thread. I mentioned something hinkey in the PrePost operation of ProChannel. After further investigation it was lack of understanding of ProChannels operation. the Pre/Post setting alludes to Pre/Post the FX bin not the channel's Fader level as I had assumed. bottom line is ProChannel is working as expected. Phew. Another matter cleared up and I can move onto discovering the real SONAR X1. yay!.
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 02:18:09
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 08:40:26
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mudgel SPECIAL NOTE: to previous posts in this thread. I mentioned something hinkey in the PrePost operation of ProChannel. After further investigation it was lack of understanding of ProChannels operation. the Pre/Post setting alludes to Pre/Post the FX bin not the channel's Fader level as I had assumed. bottom line is ProChannel is working as expected. Phew. Another matter cleared up and I can move onto discovering the real SONAR X1. yay!. Glad you found it out. Don't think you're the first ,and not the last, who's been frustrated/angry about bugs/missing features in X1 that really just was lack of knowledge about the new version. I think we all need to read a lot in the 3000 pages PDF manual to get the full potential out of Sonar X1
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 09:20:07
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I think we all need to read a lot in the 3000 pages PDF manual to get the full potential out of Sonar X1 ....
...no kidding on that one...
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 11:13:03
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the Pre/Post setting alludes to Pre/Post the FX bin not the channel's Fader level I came to understand that through reading in the X1 Reference manual, and the PC Pre/Post state is different to a track's pre/post state. The signal flow of a track is FX Bin>Volume>Pan>Track output, and the track's Pre state would mean the signal goes through a track's send buss after it goes through the FX Bin, but before it reaches the volume, and the Post state means the signal is routed to a track's send bus after it goes through the volume, so that adjusting the track's volume affects the signal sent to the track's send Buss. I can see why you were looking to see the signal affected with the PC effects by adjusting the track's volume when the ProChannel was in Post state, if that is what you were looking to see. I can't wrap my mind around why Cakewalk made it like this, but I bet there's some significance to it. Maybe it's so that the Prochannel's effects can be in an effects chain in a certain order, i.e. before or after effects added to a track's FX Bin. What do you think? What I've come to see is that the bottom line is that the Prochannel's Pre/Post is not the track's Pre/Post but the PC Pre/Post only applies to the Pro Channel's order in a track's signal flow. Anyway, It's great to hear X1 is working for you. :)
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/04/07 22:57:49
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 11:52:17
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I never had the path to the "Internal" folder in the VST Scanner path listed in Plugin Manager > VST configuration > Options. Never having seen it I didn't know it was missing. That implies that this key was missing on your setup: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64\VSTInternalPath That key is copied from a similar location under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE which is placed there by the installer itself. The reason your problem could happen is if somehow SONAR's personalization didn't go through, or you had some anti-spyway type app that prevented a registry key from being written. It could also be caused by a failure to write a registry key for some reason on your system. Its rare but it can happen and if so that would be caused by a system failure not a bug in the installer or SONAR. If that was the case, normally doing a "restore load" of SONAR by holding down the shift key while launching SONAR would restore that HKEY_CURRENT_USER key and fix your problem. Finally the only other possibility is that the installer itself was unable to write the key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\Sonar Producer\Cakewalk VST\VSTInternalPath If that happened the restore load step above wouldn't help. The solution for that other than a reinstall would be to add that HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key manually. I'll ask TS to add a knowledge base article for this in case someone else runs into it. Either way if someone knows a deterministic way to run into this problem please let us know.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 12:12:41
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can't wrap my mind around why Cakewalk made it like this, but I bet theirs some significance to it. Think of the pro channel as an entire effects bin containing the PC components. The "pre" setting places the entire PC bin in series BEFORE the user effects bin. The "post" setting places the entire PC bin in series AFTER the user effects bin.
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 12:22:30
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] can't wrap my mind around why Cakewalk made it like this, but I bet theirs some significance to it.
Think of the pro channel as an entire effects bin containing the PC components. The "pre" setting places the entire PC bin in series BEFORE the user effects bin. The "post" setting places the entire PC bin in series AFTER the user effects bin. Hi Noel: That's exactly what I was trying to say in my post above. Thanks for clearing that up for me in such a concise comment. :)
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 23:33:40
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Because of the various problems I encountered I didn't really get a chance to use X1 until the X1b update came out. That hasn't really given me much time to poke around in the program let alone come to grips with all it's new ways of doing things etc. I did get familiar with menus etc and what's where in a general sense but generally after maybe 10 minutes or so because of constant white outs I did't get to use the program only look at it. Now that I'm up and running so to speak I've got a good bit to figure out. Having installed it twice right at the beginning without resolving any problems I'm glad the ProChannel problems came up the way they did because otherwise it never would have lead me to doing a full reinstalltion. Hopefully next month I'll have some time for installing X1 and its updates on my STUDIO PC on a new as yet untouched Win 7 Ultimate x64 partition. My work horse partition is still running VISTA Ultimate x64 SP2 because it achieves a much better DPC latency than my WIN 7 SP1 Partition. VISTA = 15-40 us while WIN 7 has been up to 350 us. VISTA SP2 has proven rock solid giving me latencies down to 32 samples on my FF800.
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mudgel
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 23:48:23
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] I never had the path to the "Internal" folder in the VST Scanner path listed in Plugin Manager > VST configuration > Options. Never having seen it I didn't know it was missing.
That implies that this key was missing on your setup: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64\VSTInternalPath That key is copied from a similar location under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE which is placed there by the installer itself. The reason your problem could happen is if somehow SONAR's personalization didn't go through, or you had some anti-spyway type app that prevented a registry key from being written. It could also be caused by a failure to write a registry key for some reason on your system. Its rare but it can happen and if so that would be caused by a system failure not a bug in the installer or SONAR. If that was the case, normally doing a "restore load" of SONAR by holding down the shift key while launching SONAR would restore that HKEY_CURRENT_USER key and fix your problem. Finally the only other possibility is that the installer itself was unable to write the key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\Sonar Producer\Cakewalk VST\VSTInternalPath If that happened the restore load step above wouldn't help. The solution for that other than a reinstall would be to add that HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key manually. I'll ask TS to add a knowledge base article for this in case someone else runs into it. Either way if someone knows a deterministic way to run into this problem please let us know. On my last install where I achieved success in getting everything to install properly I did go into msconfig and disable all sorts of unecessary services to stop. I've found in the past that just disabling things like anti virus software still leaves some behind the scenes services running. Because of the problems I had with the first 2 installations I wanted to make absolutely sure that nothing got in the way. I think there must have been some other unidentified issues created during the installation because of something particular to my environment, that contributed to the other multiple "bugs" evident in X1 all along - until this last reinstallation. It does seem to go back to some glitch during the install process that was not unique to my system because others also reported the same ProChannel symptoms with widespread evidence of the reported bugs being evident on their systems. Perhaps it was as simple as an anti virus program being closed down but still having a service of some sort running in the back ground causing the installer to miss writing some of the necessary registry keys. Mind you this is just conjecture based on Noel's post. Man I hope this helps someone else.
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/07 23:56:37
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Hi mudgel: I was getting DPC Latency readings around 300us, but disabling in the BIOS the HPET setting and some power management settings brought that down to around an average of 30us. I have the same motherboard as you ( GA EX58-UD5), so doing as I have may make a difference for you in getting lower DPC Latency performance in Win 7.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/04/08 00:00:15
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Re:Mudgel gets SONAR X1 running
2011/04/08 00:15:27
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Thanks for the tip. I built this PC (recommended parts list from Jim roseberry of Studiocat) at the time that VISTA SP2 was coming out. I did a dual boot with WIN XP SP3 x86 buit ended up never going back to XP because my VISTA x64 experience was so great. When X1 came out I changed the XP partition over to WIN 7 but didn't use it because all the X1 issues I had didn't seem to make it a worthwhile exercise at that time. Now that I seem to have uncovered some basic reasons why my X1 problems had been so severe I'm ready to give it a go. Now it's just finding the consistent time to do it in my very own obsessive way. My current DAW is so stable that X1 has stiff competition to get into my toolbox.
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