Multiple Outs with Different Effects

So I sort of know where to look to do this, but it's something I've never done before...
 
Normally when I use a VST capable of multiple outs like Omnisphere or Kontakt, instead of making use of that, I've always just used separate instances. With separate instances I know how either insert a per track effect, or make the output a specific bus with an effect on it.
 
Now I'm running into CPU issues and realizing I really need to start making use of the multiple outs, but I can't figure out how I can do multiple outs and give each one separate effects. What is the feature I'm looking for to do that? I think it's sends, but I was just messing around and I couldn't quite figure out how to do that... I could do it on the main Omnisphere Synth track, but each of the separate MIDI tracks that go with it would all get that effect. What am I missing?

Thank you!

John
See this. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2382979

wow... that is... intense haha. thanks for the link. i will definitely try it some more but after a quick attempt I was SO confused.
 
first of all it would appear I'd have to go back to the old Sonar 8.5 on back method of having a separate audio and midi track for each instrument I want to load, which is a major pain... no more simplified single Simple Instrument Tracks? Especially now that I'm working with dozens of tracks, that's going to make management a real pain... There's no easier way to do it? It seems like it would be easy to have an Omnisphere Track, then a bunch of midi tracks under it for each channel... But then you can't add effects to each one. Unless there's an easy way to do it like that... But having audio and midi track for all 8 outputs is going to get messy... especially once I get up to 16 or 32...
 

polarbear

John
See this. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2382979

wow... that is... intense haha. thanks for the link. i will definitely try it some more but after a quick attempt I was SO confused.
 
first of all it would appear I'd have to go back to the old Sonar 8.5 on back method of having a separate audio and midi track for each instrument I want to load, which is a major pain... no more simplified single Simple Instrument Tracks? Especially now that I'm working with dozens of tracks, that's going to make management a real pain... There's no easier way to do it? It seems like it would be easy to have an Omnisphere Track, then a bunch of midi tracks under it for each channel... But then you can't add effects to each one. Unless there's an easy way to do it like that... But having audio and midi track for all 8 outputs is going to get messy... especially once I get up to 16 or 32...
 

Hey Mr Bear, I'm afraid you can't have it both ways.
 
In order to have the flexibility of routing to separate audio tracks you totally forgo the option of using Simple Instrument Tracks. That's just the way it is.
 
Don't forget that Track folders are your friend here - you have the ability to show or hide multiple tracks, audio and/or midi with a single click.
 
Here's another link which may provide some useful information for setting this up.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Multiple-Instrument-Tracks-sharing-one-VST-m3415721.aspx
 
 

stevec
FWIW you can use a SIT and multiple outputs.   I do that for AD2 quite often where I'll start with a SIT, and if the project seems to need it I set some of AD2's individual kit pieces to separate outs than add audio tracks whose inputs are those AD2 outs.  From that point I typically keep the stereo elements (cymbals, OH, Room) on the main SIT.  
 
I've done the same thing for KONTAKT too, though I usually have to remind myself how to add outputs after the fact since it's not quite as straightforward as AD2...    Unlike many others I actually do prefer to use SITs when I can; they've become a standard element for me.    Fortunately I haven't had any real issues, knock on wood. 
 

Hmmm... OK I'm gonna have to try this later... Here's my thinking:
 
Omnisphere Simple Instrument Track
Load Piano in Channel 1, Bass in Channel 2, Guitar in Channel 3
Create 3 MIDI Tracks outputting to Omnisphere and have the channel of each be Channel 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
Make my Music.
"Oh but I want to add Guitar Rig on the guitar sound on Channel 3 without it being on all 3 sounds."
Add an Audio track, Add Guitar Rig to the FX Bin of that Audio Track, Set Omnisphere Channel 3 as the Input of that Audio Track.
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Still managed to use only one instance of Omnisphere reducing my CPU usage while still being able to add effects to only a specific instrument.
 
I don't have it up in front of me right now, so I'm not 100% that is all doable and would work, but I THINK from what you just said, that should be doable, right?

polarbear

stevec
FWIW you can use a SIT and multiple outputs.   I do that for AD2 quite often where I'll start with a SIT, and if the project seems to need it I set some of AD2's individual kit pieces to separate outs than add audio tracks whose inputs are those AD2 outs.  From that point I typically keep the stereo elements (cymbals, OH, Room) on the main SIT.  
 
I've done the same thing for KONTAKT too, though I usually have to remind myself how to add outputs after the fact since it's not quite as straightforward as AD2...    Unlike many others I actually do prefer to use SITs when I can; they've become a standard element for me.    Fortunately I haven't had any real issues, knock on wood. 
 

Hmmm... OK I'm gonna have to try this later... Here's my thinking:
 
Omnisphere Simple Instrument Track
Load Piano in Channel 1, Bass in Channel 2, Guitar in Channel 3
Create 3 MIDI Tracks outputting to Omnisphere and have the channel of each be Channel 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
Make my Music.
"Oh but I want to add Guitar Rig on the guitar sound on Channel 3 without it being on all 3 sounds."
Add an Audio track, Add Guitar Rig to the FX Bin of that Audio Track, Set Omnisphere Channel 3 as the Input of that Audio Track.
=
Still managed to use only one instance of Omnisphere reducing my CPU usage while still being able to add effects to only a specific instrument.
 
I don't have it up in front of me right now, so I'm not 100% that is all doable and would work, but I THINK from what you just said, that should be doable, right?

Yes, what you're describing is what I do with AD2 and occasionally Kontakt.   That is, "a single SIT is all I need for this!", followed later by "you know I could really use something on this one channel"...       I don't have Omnisphere but it sure sounds like it would operate the same. 
 

Hey...  you're welcome!  
 
I know that many would never use SITs over the traditional split track design, but I really do prefer them.  I usually don't know where I'll need multi-outs at the start, and having finished many projects using nothing but stereo outs I don't those projects have suffered for it.