Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 14:35:37
(permalink)
Middle man... you have a point on the age issue.... and yeah I tend to agree, if you're much over 23 no matter what sex you are, or how talented..... your chances for success fall off exponentially from that point forward IF..... you are trying to be an artist on the stage selling records and merchandise.
However, there are no age limits or beauty requirements for songwriters. Simply put, if you can deliver the goods.... hit songs, it doesn't matter how old or ugly you are.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
spacey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8769
- Joined: 2004/05/03 18:53:44
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 15:39:27
(permalink)
Should "modern" be defined as music that sells records and merchandise and songwriters that write to people that sell records and merchandise, you both have points...but I don't believe that is what defines "modern music".
|
spacey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8769
- Joined: 2004/05/03 18:53:44
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 15:53:37
(permalink)
I've come to my on conclusion since one hasn't been offered, that I've read and agreed with, about defining "modern music".
I think it depends on the experience and taste of the one listening. Each person can have different views on which musicians and what styles they consider modern, because critiqueing art is an opinion.
So I believe the OP's music will not sound modern until he decides it does.
|
jimmyman
Max Output Level: -53.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2193
- Joined: 2008/12/16 06:57:38
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 17:02:04
(permalink)
Modern music? I think many times people call it modern
if the "sound quality" is very good. Todays advancements
allow even a home recording to be done in a pro manner.
However it takes skill and talent to do so. So even with
the tools one many never accomplish that.
Pro and modern may be interchangeable words. Songs
and or mixes may sound or be called dated simply because
they are only so so in quality. Performance has much to
do with a song having a dated sound or not.
Good is good, great is great, average is average. A
persons perception of a mix or song is just that. If
one person calls a song or mix dated is it? Maybe, but
it depends on how good and knowledgeable, talented
and skilled that person is and also if they are biased
or not.
Everyone is not qualified to be a judge. It takes
knowledge to be a judge. And even judges have
views which may influence a decision. Then there
is the "compared to what" subject. Is a song
or mix dated or modern? Compared to what?.
And back to the performance subject. Is the
performance good, bad or O.K? One may view
a bad performance as a dated sound or a great
performance with an awful recording as dated.
Yet at the same time take a simple performance
and do a bang up high quality recording/mix and
be called modern.
It's easier so say a song/mix is bad, O.K, good or
great with more validity
|
kev11111111111111
Max Output Level: -57.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1772
- Joined: 2006/12/10 16:29:36
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 17:45:44
(permalink)
spacey
I've come to my on conclusion since one hasn't been offered, that I've read and agreed with, about defining "modern music".
I think it depends on the experience and taste of the one listening. Each person can have different views on which musicians and what styles they consider modern, because critiqueing art is an opinion.
So I believe the OP's music will not sound modern until he decides it does.
I think you're right - it definately depends a lot on the experience and taste of the listener - if they perceive it to be modern,then thats what is - or at least in theirs eyes..um ears ?!! I've thought about it a bit tonight and have come to the conclusion that there really is no modern sound in terms of actual 'music' being played,or at least not the stuff we get on MTV,charts,radio,TV etc. I listened to some dance tonight and the progression was like this E minor,G,C,and B7. The melody was really pretty simple - mainly diatonic,apart from when the progression went to the B7,and the singer used a D sharp to lead back to the E. I thought man,take away the kick,the snare,and the synths,and this song could of been written 400 years ago !!! I like the song,and I'm not knocking it cos it's simple,but modern as in not old LOL ?? Nah,I don't think so. That takes us back to the question of wheter it's the production that makes it modern or not I guess...cos the harmonic frameworks are for sure the same as what they always were. The problem from a production point of view of what is modern is that it changes so quickly !! How about the 80s drums and vocals with the big reverbs on them for instance ? These production values have almost completely gone the other way now (Less is more). Modern production seems to be in state of flux. What's big today,could be nothing tommorow. I think theres massive potential in music production and I hope I don't come across as some smart arse putting the world to rights lol,its just my opinion at the end of the day. But modern music - hmm the more I think on it,the more it seems like a marketing tool.Eg it's the latest - got be up on these things or you're no longer cool kind of thing. Maybe thats a bit cynical sure,but I do know plug in manufacturers,VSTs etc use this kind of strategy,so it's a fair point to make. Yeah I definately feel the modern sound is in the medium (the recording).You could go from there and argue that anything from 1900 (or when ever the first record was made !)is modern huh !! Ha,like you said its all about the listener perceives it at the end of the day...but thats my take on it Kev
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 18:53:24
(permalink)
from wiki: " Modern: In contrast to the pre-modern era, Western civilization made a gradual transition from premodernity to modernity when scientific methods were developed which led many to believe that the use of science would lead to all knowledge, thus throwing back the shroud of myth under which pre-moderns lived. Truth was available to be discovered by empirical observation, and that the world's problems could be solved by applying the appropriate methods and apparatus to the issues. The term "modern" was coined shortly before 1585 to describe the beginning of a new era. [2] The European Renaissance (about 1420–1630) is an important transition period beginning between the Late Middle Ages and Early Modern Times, which started in Italy. The term "Early Modern" was introduced in the English language in the 1930s. [5] to distinguish the time between what we call Middle Ages and time of the late Enlightenment (1800) (when the meaning of the term Modern Ages was developing its contemporary form). It is important to note that these terms stem from European History; in usage in other parts of the world, such as in China, India, and Islam, the terms are applied in a very different way, but often in the context with their contact with European culture in the Age of Discoveries. [6] [edit] Postmodern and contemporary " Postmodernism", coined 1949, on the other hand, would describe rather a movement in art than a period of history, and is usually applied to arts, but not to any events of the very recent history. [7] This changed, when postmodernity was coined to describe the major changes in the 1950s and 1960s in economy, society, culture, and philosophy. Sometimes distinct from the modern periods themselves, the terms " modernity" and " modernism" refer to a new way of thinking, distinct from medieval thinking. "Contemporary" is applied to more recent events because it means "belonging to the same period" and "current"."
|
SongCraft
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3902
- Joined: 2007/09/19 17:54:46
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 20:23:08
(permalink)
I've only got a short window of time to post, because my wife wants to upload videos and photos for family :-)
I agree with a lot that's been said.
I don't think the term 'modern' is appropriate because modern and old influences can be used in a 'contemporary' format. If you break down a contemporary song down to the piano for example it be like something from the 50's.
Another example; look back at the birth of Midi, the digital age opened up a can of worms, unfortunately in the earlier days of digital sounds and processors it sounded 'thin' but it did influence the 80's sound and style. Eventually over time up to current... digital sounds and processors have improved, fatter, richer sounds with greater detail.
Mike_McCue, thanks for your constructive and honest critique, what you said makes a lot of sense. You gave me ideas, such as incorporating brief change (bridge for example) within a song arrangement, a bit of nostalgia (old style 60's to 80's) could work really well within a contemporary style such as electronica hip hop, progressive house.
This topic has turned out a lot more interesting than I expected! Again, thanks everyone for all your excellent posts! Greatly appreciated! :-)
|
munmun
Max Output Level: -64 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1319
- Joined: 2005/02/10 21:04:27
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 20:57:34
(permalink)
So does anyone of any forums with a younger listening audience where we can post stuff to get a better gauge?
|
Middleman
Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4397
- Joined: 2003/12/04 00:58:50
- Location: Orange County, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/13 21:38:52
(permalink)
I think we all just need to be aware of a few things when creating music with regard to preventing it from being stylized for lack of a better word.
1. Effects will date your music. For example, gated massive room drums are 1980s sounding. However you can gate toms today just to get the resonance out of the mix. Same technique but adding too much verb is the defining issue.
2. Bad reverb is bad for everyone.
3. Robotic Autotune will eventually make the music today sound old.
4. Poorly tracked or computer generated sounds rarely keep a listeners interest. It immediately detracts the ear from the song.
At the same time there seems to be some long term trends in place that while indicative of today's music will probably be with us for some while to come. The SSL buss compression sound; it's snappy, its pumped but we like it on everything. CLA and his brother have made quite the living on that sound. Although, I saw recently he is now mixing on a Sony desk but with either an SSL or C2 compressor at the end. That's a definite Sonic Stamp.
In the country genre, the CL1B is the vocal compressor of choice and its on everybody's vocal in Nashville. Big, breathy and clean. This too is a standardized Sonic Stamp.
There are others like the Mastering Chains that many people use.
The point being, that the sonics of the instruments or the voice can lower your inspired song to amateurish status. Most listeners will never get past this and hear the song. In my experience few of the people that make the decisions on what will be signed/sold/presented, have the imagination to hear a good song masked in amateur sound or production. Your safest bet is to take your prized inspirations to a studio you trust and focus on production. Better chance that way. But if you must go the DIY route, then focus on what is in the market place versus what was.
|
kev11111111111111
Max Output Level: -57.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1772
- Joined: 2006/12/10 16:29:36
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 02:15:55
(permalink)
munmun
So does anyone of any forums with a younger listening audience where we can post stuff to get a better gauge?
+1
|
SongCraft
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3902
- Joined: 2007/09/19 17:54:46
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 02:16:51
(permalink)
Hi Middleman,
Thanks for that info. You're right, the key components are top-notch Compressor/Limiters and Reverb, they're critical for that 'sound' and final polish.
I noticed midiaudio.com have a sale, 51% off on Waves CLA-3A, CLA-2A, CLA-76 Blacky, and CLA-76 Bluey (Bundle for $780), are these the plugins you're talking about?
For my budget it would be cool if I could buy just the CLA-2A Compressor/Limiter for vocals. Is there anything else that comes close for less at around $200?
Waves has the SSL channel strip which sells for around $450. I would have to save for that. My budget is $200, with Christmas shopping to do for family I'll have to wait till next year.
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 09:47:42
(permalink)
One thing that I think has been overlooked here. certain rhythms are considered "modern" or "dated." Current trends in contemporary music have lately been using a particular rhythm throughout the melody. I believe this to be true for modern songs of all genres, but different rhythms from genre to genre.
the rhythms I'm speaking of are just small phrases included usually in the chorus, sometimes once, sometimes more than once (with that same rhythm). just about 4 notes (in an example) with a particular pattern to the rhythm of that phrase.
the rhythms can have any particular melody, but they might follow a particular melodic pattern in reference to the beginning note of that phrase. for example, a pattern might be dotted 8th, 8th, 8th, dotted 8th with a melodic pattern of an initial pitch, 1/2 step up, another 1/2 step up, back to initial pitch (this is a made up example and does not convey any particular genre's modern pattern).
I know that modern Contemporary Christian Music has these "modern patterns" and I believe that it is probably true for all modern genres, but I haven't studied them to find out what those patterns might be.
this might be what the reviewers are looking for - and they might not even know that this is what they're looking for - they just don't "hear" it and therefore they think it's not "modern."
|
munmun
Max Output Level: -64 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1319
- Joined: 2005/02/10 21:04:27
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 09:50:57
(permalink)
Question on bus compression. Are these guys mixing through the bus compressor or do they add compression once the mix is done?
|
No How
Max Output Level: -23.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5180
- Joined: 2006/05/02 11:56:01
- Location: the boogie-woogie Isles
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 10:08:36
(permalink)
Middleman
I think we all just need to be aware of a few things when creating music with regard to preventing it from being stylized for lack of a better word.
1. Effects will date your music. For example, gated massive room drums are 1980s sounding. However you can gate toms today just to get the resonance out of the mix. Same technique but adding too much verb is the defining issue.
2. Bad reverb is bad for everyone.
3. Robotic Autotune will eventually make the music today sound old.
4. Poorly tracked or computer generated sounds rarely keep a listeners interest. It immediately detracts the ear from the song.
At the same time there seems to be some long term trends in place that while indicative of today's music will probably be with us for some while to come. The SSL buss compression sound; it's snappy, its pumped but we like it on everything. CLA and his brother have made quite the living on that sound. Although, I saw recently he is now mixing on a Sony desk but with either an SSL or C2 compressor at the end. That's a definite Sonic Stamp.
In the country genre, the CL1B is the vocal compressor of choice and its on everybody's vocal in Nashville. Big, breathy and clean. This too is a standardized Sonic Stamp.
There are others like the Mastering Chains that many people use.
The point being, that the sonics of the instruments or the voice can lower your inspired song to amateurish status. Most listeners will never get past this and hear the song. In my experience few of the people that make the decisions on what will be signed/sold/presented, have the imagination to hear a good song masked in amateur sound or production. Your safest bet is to take your prized inspirations to a studio you trust and focus on production. Better chance that way. But if you must go the DIY route, then focus on what is in the market place versus what was.
This is golden. Thank you.
s o n g s – Beauty lodged in a bad hotel has no value. Raymond Lull
|
No How
Max Output Level: -23.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5180
- Joined: 2006/05/02 11:56:01
- Location: the boogie-woogie Isles
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 10:12:19
(permalink)
Beagle
One thing that I think has been overlooked here. certain rhythms are considered "modern" or "dated." Current trends in contemporary music have lately been using a particular rhythm throughout the melody. I believe this to be true for modern songs of all genres, but different rhythms from genre to genre.
the rhythms I'm speaking of are just small phrases included usually in the chorus, sometimes once, sometimes more than once (with that same rhythm). just about 4 notes (in an example) with a particular pattern to the rhythm of that phrase.
the rhythms can have any particular melody, but they might follow a particular melodic pattern in reference to the beginning note of that phrase. for example, a pattern might be dotted 8th, 8th, 8th, dotted 8th with a melodic pattern of an initial pitch, 1/2 step up, another 1/2 step up, back to initial pitch (this is a made up example and does not convey any particular genre's modern pattern).
I know that modern Contemporary Christian Music has these "modern patterns" and I believe that it is probably true for all modern genres, but I haven't studied them to find out what those patterns might be.
this might be what the reviewers are looking for - and they might not even know that this is what they're looking for - they just don't "hear" it and therefore they think it's not "modern."
How true! I think this is the case in lots of corporate music houses. It's the stuff i'm in constant rebellion to. That stylized sound is what is immediately a shoe in but also the mark of cookie cutter songcrafting...IMO.
s o n g s – Beauty lodged in a bad hotel has no value. Raymond Lull
|
jamesyoyo
Max Output Level: -40.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3460
- Joined: 2007/09/08 17:50:10
- Location: Factory Yoyo Prods Ltd.
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 10:22:09
(permalink)
Munmun:Question on bus compression. Are these guys mixing through the bus compressor or do they add compression once the mix is done?
They compress everywhere and anywhere they can. That is why it sounds so immediate and in your face.
|
munmun
Max Output Level: -64 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1319
- Joined: 2005/02/10 21:04:27
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 11:18:50
(permalink)
So what would be the best SSL bus compressor emulation that would not break the bank or require a dongle. Noticed that Waves only sells the SSL 4000 in bundle form and not as individual plugins.
|
Middleman
Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4397
- Joined: 2003/12/04 00:58:50
- Location: Orange County, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 12:08:06
(permalink)
Songcraft - Yeah those plugins are a good start. I am using the precision buss compressor right now from UA for that duty. But nothing emulates the real thing. I was referring to an actual CL1B compressor which is around $2500 used. A good alternative is a Crane Song Trakker which can be had for $1800 used.
Beagle - Exactly the point, the rhythm patterns or vibe of the song is THE most important thing for sounding contemporary. If you're writing 3/4 time in a 4/4 world then just jump off the high speed train now.
munmun - I used the UAD2 card for the SSL sound i.e. the 4k channel strip and the 4k Buss compressor. Yes, many do mix through buss compressors but very low ratios. Golden tip of the year: Put a Pultec EQ followed by a Neve 33609 on your master buss. Set the compressor for 1.5:1 ratio with no more than 2 db gain reduction. Set the Pultec to 22k attenuation and roll it back to about 5 reduction. That will take your crappy digital sounding tunes into analog warmth heaven. Alternatively use the 4k Buss compressor instead of the Neve for a more pumping sound.
|
No How
Max Output Level: -23.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5180
- Joined: 2006/05/02 11:56:01
- Location: the boogie-woogie Isles
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 12:26:50
(permalink)
Always the part of the story where i have to shut the book. $$$   
post edited by No How - 2009/12/14 13:51:16
s o n g s – Beauty lodged in a bad hotel has no value. Raymond Lull
|
munmun
Max Output Level: -64 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1319
- Joined: 2005/02/10 21:04:27
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 14:26:53
(permalink)
|
No How
Max Output Level: -23.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5180
- Joined: 2006/05/02 11:56:01
- Location: the boogie-woogie Isles
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 15:28:31
(permalink)
Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. Out of all the stuff I've been tempted to buy, the only thing i DID buy was this: http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=68 and so far it's been a very good friend. Packed with presets for idiots like me and also quite versatile. I do recommend highly.
s o n g s – Beauty lodged in a bad hotel has no value. Raymond Lull
|
Bonzos Ghost
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1112
- Joined: 2005/03/31 15:46:09
- Location: Canada - Left Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 15:45:22
(permalink)
Jumping in late.....
I wouldn't sweat the "sounds old" syndrome.
A good example of a recent CD (well 2 years ago I think) is Wolfmother. Total 70's old school production based on borrowed licks and styles from all the heavy bands of that era...especially Black Sabbath. Lots of "stoner" lyrics that don't make a whole lot of sense.
Absolutely nothing new there at all, and the CD suffers from another case of "loudness war" level smashing....but they've sold over two million copies.
If the songs are good, presented well, and the performance sounds honest & not contrived, people will buy it.
|
SongCraft
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3902
- Joined: 2007/09/19 17:54:46
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 22:37:07
(permalink)
Beagle: I agree! You brought up a very good point, the rhythm does play an important role. Funny coincidence, I was working on rhythms last night. Middleman: Again, thanks for that info' worth printing out on gold edge paper. ;-) James: That's what I do, it's everywhere LOL!! I just need to use better compressors, and I certainly need a darn good one on the vocal bus.... Munmun: Thanks for posting that link! I read the comments, I'm definitely going to take DensitymkII for a spin on the vocal bus! WOW!! It's free, how can anyone pass that up :-) Rick: Thanks for the link, that's a good deal on the Stillwell. Next important piece I need is a good Pultec EQ (can't afford the 'real' thing') but T-Racks has a pretty good one for $99. (singles: 'Pultec EQP-1A') from reviews I've read this may do the trick. This is what's been missing from my mixes... a good 'vintage tube EQ'. I wonder if there's a 'Free version' of a decent Pultec EQ (emulation) plugin available? Bonzos Ghost: I agree, the song is the most important thing, this has always been my philosophy! The greater the song the more 'timeless' appeal it will have.
post edited by SongCraft - 2009/12/14 22:41:44
|
munmun
Max Output Level: -64 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1319
- Joined: 2005/02/10 21:04:27
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/14 22:47:26
(permalink)
When you check out density also check out epicverb as well as all the other free plugs. I have sleepless nights thinking that this guy Bootsy might start to charge. I have used Density on my last song and I was floored.
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/15 07:16:33
(permalink)
"Beagle - Exactly the point, the rhythm patterns or vibe of the song is THE most important thing for sounding contemporary. If you're writing 3/4 time in a 4/4 world then just jump off the high speed train now."
An example of how rhythm patterns effect the vibe of a song... consider the Run DMC/Aerosmith combo that reinvigorated two ailing genres with the remake of Walk This Way. best, mike
|
No How
Max Output Level: -23.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5180
- Joined: 2006/05/02 11:56:01
- Location: the boogie-woogie Isles
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/15 09:15:05
(permalink)
munmun
When you check out density also check out epicverb as well as all the other free plugs. I have sleepless nights thinking that this guy Bootsy might start to charge. I have used Density on my last song and I was floored.
Their "RESCUE" plug is also very very handy.
s o n g s – Beauty lodged in a bad hotel has no value. Raymond Lull
|
SongCraft
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3902
- Joined: 2007/09/19 17:54:46
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/15 21:18:12
(permalink)
I gave DensityMkII, BoostEQ, EpicVerb a go, so far I'm very impressed :-)
Density nailed (glued) the vocal in the mix much better since before it was drifting in places (using trk envelopes helps but) using Density made the vocal sound richer, warmer and with greater consistancy of levels, definition and tone. A noticeable improvement. EpicVerb has a very smooth, warm sound with a good selection of algorithims such as Plate, Hall, Echo. BoostEQ seemed to have mostly the right settings on loading presets I didn't have to tweak it much to get a satisfying result. CPU load runing all three plugins are good, only 2%. These FX's would also sound great on drums and other instruments.
I can't compare DensityMkII with UAD and Wave's (because I don't have them), but the comments on that thread (Link: see Munmun post #80) from people who have made the comparisons is interesting, some actually preferred Density. I'm really starting to warm up to Boosty Effects. I'm impressed. :-)
|
SongCraft
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3902
- Joined: 2007/09/19 17:54:46
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/15 21:30:01
(permalink)
No How
munmun
When you check out density also check out epicverb as well as all the other free plugs. I have sleepless nights thinking that this guy Bootsy might start to charge. I have used Density on my last song and I was floored.
Their "RESCUE" plug is also very very handy.
That's an interesting plugin. Haven't used it yet but it's good to know it's another piece that will come in handy. I think what I have now along with T-Racks3, Ozone.3, and 4 there can't be no excuse not to get a good sounding mix. Although I only have the standard T-Racks suite I may later get the Brickall limiter and Vintage Tube (Pultec emulation) the 'Singles' at $99 each is pretty good value.
|
Middleman
Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4397
- Joined: 2003/12/04 00:58:50
- Location: Orange County, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/15 22:21:06
(permalink)
The closest thing in the UA bundle to the Density is probably the Distressor Junior. I just tried the Density as well and that is a very nice utililty plug in. Kind of a "make me warm and toasty sound".
|
SongCraft
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3902
- Joined: 2007/09/19 17:54:46
- Status: offline
Re:Music Production Sounds too Old?
2009/12/15 23:45:19
(permalink)
Middleman
The closest thing in the UA bundle to the Density is probably the Distressor Junior. I just tried the Density as well and that is a very nice utililty plug in. Kind of a "make me warm and toasty sound".
'Warm and Toasty' is a good description. Well suited for my voice, reminded me of the Avalon used on my voice when I was recording at a studio in Sydney, Australia. I've been after that nice tonal 'toasty' character, I think Density does a pretty darn good job when used with the the BootEQ.MkII (Tube Pre-amp & EQ), although the Pultec EQ is probably better, T-Racks Vintage Tube Program Equalizer (modelled on the Pultec EQP-1A) costs $99 (T-Racks..Singles) it's an affordable option. Waves and UAD is top-notch gear but unfortunately they're above my budget.
|