Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart?

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/23 12:47:54 (permalink)
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/23 12:54:34 (permalink)
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/23 13:07:08 (permalink)

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 10:27:48 (permalink)
Drew, sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

V of V could be used to modulate to a new key, but quite often it was used just as a single isolated chord within the overall chord progression.

As Beagle said, the key center could sometime change for a few measures.

Also, in longer classical compositions the key center could change quite frequently and vary widely during the middle development section of the piece, before returning to the original key near the end.


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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 11:16:37 (permalink)
Thanks guys. 

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 11:32:44 (permalink)
So.....

There are formulas for music composition?

Amazing.
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 12:14:18 (permalink)
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So.....

There are formulas for music composition?

Amazing.


Warm some milk; compose some music. 

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 13:05:34 (permalink)
The A7 is serving as a secondary dominant chord in the key of G. The movement of the progression is moving in 5ths. A7 is moving to D7. This is common. vii-iii-vi-ii-V-I. A dominant 7th chord can theoretically  be substituted for any diatonic minor chord moving a 5th into the next chord. Trust me. I live in a van down by the river. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_dominant

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 17:53:35 (permalink)
Bapu, not formulas per se...

Perhaps music theory can best be described as an analysis of the compositional techniques of traditional classical composers, and how they used chord progressions.

As is generally the case, theory followed practice.  Just because someone knows music theory does not mean that their compositions will be good.  However, knowing theory can be a real help depending on what one is seeking to accomplish. 

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 19:51:22 (permalink)
Bapu uses his own, trademarked progression:  i, i, i™.

He doesn't have a circle of 5ths and 4ths, but more of a circle of Am's.


 
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 19:58:02 (permalink)
Zactly.

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/24 21:35:07 (permalink)
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The A7 is serving as a secondary dominant chord in the key of G. The movement of the progression is moving in 5ths. A7 is moving to D7. This is common. vii-iii-vi-ii-V-I. A dominant 7th chord can theoretically  be substituted for any diatonic minor chord moving a 5th into the next chord. Trust me. I live in a van down by the river. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_dominant


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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/25 03:28:50 (permalink)
 
Years ago, I borrowed a Monty Python song book from the library and I remember thinking then that they used a lot of seventh chords where normally you'd expect a minor chord.
 
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/25 07:54:16 (permalink)
I am always amazed at how much knowledge we have here at the forum.

Thanks to everyone who is keeping the discussion going.


One thing I would like to add, for people that might think theory only matters with "classical" music, is that many classical composers drew their inspiration from traditional and folk music that they heard played by street musicians.

I just want to point that out to remind us that classical music is not some extra special ivory tower genre... Classical music is deeply influenced by what humans tend to enjoy even without a knowledge of theory.


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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/25 18:49:13 (permalink)
Mike, fully agree with your comments.

In general, some of my favorite classical composers are precisely those who were most influenced by folk music:  Vaughan-Williams and Copland, to name two (though there are several others).

Gershwin was/is particularly interesting as a cross-over composer in pop, jazz, and classical. 

The story goes that when he was about to start working on the Piano Concerto in F, and never having written a "classical" concerto before, he approached Stravinsky for advice (both were staying on the French Riviera at the time).  Stravinsky asked him how much he earned a year, replied with how much he himself earned, and then suggested that perhaps Gershwin should teach him how to write instead.

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/26 05:18:14 (permalink)
It's worth remembering that chord II with a major third, while technically still functioning as the secondary dominant, is very often used as a means of resolving to chord I directly via chord IIm, to the extent of being almost hackneyed.  E.g. Check out Girl From Ipanema, and the use of A7 in the Beatles' She Loves You.  It is quite common in Motown songs.  Using G as example key, the sequence A7-Am7-G (or, often, A7- Am7(5b) - G) , with each of those chords played over a G bass, is a very common move.

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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/26 16:44:48 (permalink)
Curses!! I was going to post the V of V information but Noldar12 is smarter and faster than me.
 
The only thing I can add then is that if you keep cycling V of Vs it sounds like barbershop. So, if you want to do a barbershop gram parsons cover you are very welcome. :)
 
 
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/26 19:42:54 (permalink)
Many years ago, when I was in college, I tried to take a Music Theory class.  The professor told me that only pianists could learn Music Theory because they were the only "real" musicians.  He told me to drop the class.  I tried to stay in, but he told me that teaching me music theory would be like trying to teach a duck subatomic theory. 

I was depressed.  I went out and got a loaf of bread.  I went down to the river and sat on the bank.  I tore off a few pieces of bread and tossed them into the river.  A duck flew down, ate some bread and then climed up on the river bank next to me.  He stared at me for a minute, then walked over to a DeLorean parked nearby.  He climbed in, looked directly at me, held his wing up in an "L" shape over his forehead, and sped away.  To my surprise, his car vanished into thin air. 

I thought that was amazing, but then a frog hopped over to me and said, "Experimental Physicists always think they're hot stuff until they get themselves caught in a causality loop."  The frog croaked loudly, then yelled after the duck, "I'm not going to keep on bending time and space to get you back from the 1800's!  I've got a gig tonight!"  The frog pulled out a (very) short scale Gibson SG out from behind a tree, pulled his shades down, croaked once more, and then vanished with a bright flash.

I thought about it some, and then decided that perhaps music theory was over my head after all...
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Re:Music question: Can you help me with this chord chart? 2011/07/26 19:59:51 (permalink)
I thought about it some, and then decided that perhaps music theory was over my head after all...


Put some mics there and see what happens.

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