My 5 Minute [Click Track Library Creation Technique]

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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 02, 04 10:54 PM (permalink)
I have been not only a friend to Cakewalk (and an admirer of your helpful posts) since Pro8, I fully support the addition of an audio metronome in S4. My objection is towards people who complain about this feature's non-existence in S3. If that feature is that crucial to you're creative flow then you should consider either work-arounds or third party plugs. I don't see any reason to complain about non-advertised features although I do understand asking for new features in the next version/update.



I think this is where the disconnect is. There is a perception that people who are lobbying for a real workaround are -unaware- of the workarounds. Not true in most cases.

It's almost like this: you're trying to get from Philadelphia to LA, you're currently riding a bike, and you are begging for a plane...and everyone keeps saying "try a bike"...well hey I'm already on a bike I want a plane. No try a bike stop whining... I said I want a plane..."I don't need a plane, you shouldn't either be patient"...but I'm sweating, I'm 1/3rd the way there my feet hurt, I have gnats in my teeth...there's a storm ahead --- Stop whining, try a bike, or even a skateboard...etc.. There might be a plane next year when you're ready to make the trip back. I don't intend to travel so really I don't think a plane is necessary for anyone actually, they should just stick with the bikes.

regarding the "next update"...nothing is really guaranteed, there are many factors that militate against features being included in a particular update, aggressive workaround rebuttals just make it harder.


Regarding this thread in particular, I think Mr. HammerHead's post set the tone.

I think I've been pretty consistent over the years, in general we shouldn't get in the way of people's feature requests....I had that attitude vs VST, and as is obvious now I was wrong.
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 02, 04 11:58 PM (permalink)

It's almost like this: you're trying to get from Philadelphia to LA, you're currently riding a bike, and you are begging for a plane...and everyone keeps saying "try a bike"...well hey I'm already on a bike I want a plane. No try a bike stop whining... I said I want a plane..."I don't need a plane, you shouldn't either be patient


The only problem with your illustration is that riding a bike to LA would be good for your health, while lack of an audio metronome just raises your blood pressure.


regarding the "next update"...nothing is really guaranteed, there are many factors that militate against features being included in a particular update, aggressive workaround rebuttals just make it harder.


Well, patience doesn't last forever. I really dislike the response that people who want a feature should buy other software. That can very plausibly happen. What good would that do for Cakewalk?
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 0:45 PM (permalink)
The only problem with your illustration is that riding a bike to LA would be good for your health,


so the gnats in the teeth....protein? ahhhh


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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 9:02 AM (permalink)
ORIGINAL: D.Triny

let the sonar coders alone so they can develop functionality that's really needed.


like what?



how about

mute clip feature ?
gapless engine (at least gapless when delay comp not involved) ?
better grouping functions ?
TRACK VIEW FOCUS BUTTON !!
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 10:22 AM (permalink)
ORIGINAL: HammerHead

i just love when the sonar metronome subject comes up for it's weekly beat a dead-horse discussion.


That much is obvious, since you seem to be the one that turned the thread into another discussion about the "sonar metronome subject." All I was doing was sharing a technique I use to generate click tracks. I wasn't comparing it to any other "workaround" or saying that "we don't need a metronome plugin" or that "you need a metronome." My apologies to the forum for opening a thread regarding a topic that obviously a touchy one around here. But, as a favor to me, can everyone stop using this thread to bicker about whether Sonar should have a metronome plug-in? I really don't want to read that crap - but, I would like to read this thread in case anyone has any comments on my click track technique. Bearing that in mind, do as you please ... it's a free forum.

[P.S. in case you didn't notice, I changed the title of the thread too]
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 10:39 AM (permalink)
seems like all you need to do is find a cymbal sound and record it on a track , 1-2-3-4,
accent the first beat i.e., 4/4 time, make it a groove clip, and drag it to the end of the song.

save it as part of a template so that you only have to create the metronome track once.
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 10:49 AM (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Phil B

ORIGINAL: HammerHead

i just love when the sonar metronome subject comes up for it's weekly beat a dead-horse discussion.


That much is obvious, since you seem to be the one that turned the thread into another discussion about the "sonar metronome subject." All I was doing was sharing a technique I use to generate click tracks. I wasn't comparing it to any other "workaround" or saying that "we don't need a metronome plugin" or that "you need a metronome." My apologies to the forum for opening a thread regarding a topic that obviously a touchy one around here. But, as a favor to me, can everyone stop using this thread to bicker about whether Sonar should have a metronome plug-in? I really don't want to read that crap - but, I would like to read this thread in case anyone has any comments on my click track technique. Bearing that in mind, do as you please ... it's a free forum.

[P.S. in case you didn't notice, I changed the title of the thread too]



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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 10:49 AM (permalink)
I would like to add a voice to this conversation.

Adding a metronome or whatever the issue is seems like a good idea (actually, I thought there already was one in S3 or maybe I'm confused - I've never actually used it).

However, I'd like to say this about clicking noises and metronomes in general...

I've see this problem over and over and over again in my studio. Musicians have a hard time zoning in on a click track - especially one that sounds like a little tick or pop or whatever. Most metronomes generate a very tight click - which is a good thing - but difficult to follow for newbies. A snare hit, on the other hand, generates a longer duration spike or sound and seems much easier to follow for most. Someone mentioned modifiying the snare hits so they don't always sound the same. Another good suggestion.

Suggestions about using samples to generate a click track are much more interesting to me personally.

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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 10:57 AM (permalink)
I thought there already was one in S3 or maybe I'm confused - I've never actually used it).


yea,, sonar has a metronome,,
In the sonar book ,,they tell ya how to set up the (metronome)
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 11:35 AM (permalink)
I've coded a new program that will solve everyone's problem:

Presenting the MetroGnome.
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 11:46 AM (permalink)
I use session drummer as a metronome and I find that it works perfectly. Just my 2 cents on the issue.
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 11:48 AM (permalink)
ORIGINAL: clasonar37

seems like all you need to do is find a cymbal sound and record it on a track , 1-2-3-4,
accent the first beat i.e., 4/4 time, make it a groove clip, and drag it to the end of the song.

save it as part of a template so that you only have to create the metronome track once.


Yeah, you can use whatever sound you want. I was just saying it's helpful to repeat the process for all reasonable time signatures so that you can handle any time signature.
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 12:22 AM (permalink)
mute clip feature ?
gapless engine (at least gapless when delay comp not involved) ?
better grouping functions ?
TRACK VIEW FOCUS BUTTON !!


hey I've been working with Cakewalk/SONAR for YEARS with out these...what's the biggie?

gapless engine was a biggie for me, until very recently when I started sequencing in hardware again...

grouping functions, would be nice when tracking/editing live drums...however I do that at another ProTools based studio

Track View focus button, been requested for years aint gonna happen.

(see what I mean...that's basically the point of your message....we were making music with Pro Audio 4.01...totallay IRRELEVANT when it comes to feature requests)

So yeah no more feature request allowed...we're all making music. SONAR3 is the holy grail no updates needed.


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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 03, 04 1:07 PM (permalink)
ORIGINAL: torhan

I've coded a new program that will solve everyone's problem:

Presenting the MetroGnome.




Thanks for this one.

Good thing i just tinkled or i'd be going home to change my britches.
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RE: My 5 Minute Metronome Solution March 29, 04 12:22 AM (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Phrauge
Was an audio metronome ever listed as a feature of S3PE? No. Has it been in any version of Sonar? No. Did Twelve Tones misslead you into thinking they'd included it this time round? No. Not researching the Software before you buy it is, IMHO, a major gaffe.


Mmm, well, applying the "reasonable man" test to this, any reasonable man would expect a software-based sequencer in 2004 AD to contain a metronome without having to research it. It's like buying a car - you don't research it to make sure it has a steering wheel!? It's expected.

Sonar has a metronome, it just doesn't work with VSTi/DXi instruments.

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