My Final Word on X1

Same here.  It's getting comfy after only one project (four weeks).

That would be me too.  I'm sticking with X1.  Just give me some fixes for the bits and pieces that are definitely broken and I'll stick with it to see what it CAN be.

New shoes do tend to bind me...but I'm going to stick with X1 until it whups me into submission...which might be a week from next Thursday!!

I'm with the OP and the rest of you guys!  The projects that were important to me have been saved in X1 for tweeks and mixing, and I'm starting something new.  This has been a learning experience for me.  I've watched all the videos, read all the posts (oh my), worked with friends, worked with old mixes, and find it's ok.

It seems that most DAWs are still trying to emulate tape recording machines from the 50s and 60s.  The track view is tape running past the record/playback head.  The console view is the mixer that took those tracks to stereo (or mono, what?).  This has worked well for my rock and roll, but maybe there is another way of emagining art music.  Maybe, that is where Sonar is going. 

People here have had their difficulties coming to grips with X1.  I taught school for 25 years and know how difficult it is to learn something new.  However, to learn and grow means giving up part of yourself.  For some, the technology has not worked, and in this respect Cakewalk has some work to do, but I have spent my time in the woodshed and am moving on.

By the way, thanks to Mod Bod, Lance, Anderton, Roseberry and others for your inquisitiveness and tendacity.

David

How does one change the key bindings to legacy?

I don't know.  I am memorizing/learning the new key bindings.  They seem to be more logical.

I must say at first I was a little bit lost in X1 Producer.

Although I am using Sonar from the somewhat older and smaller Home Studio 6 XL and I am very comfortable with it, I still decided to reserve some time and just started with the lessons - as if I was a total beginner. By doing this simple things the workflow of X1 was beginning to make sense to me.

After that I started some simple projects and tried to memorise the new (and some old) key bindings. It was at that moment I got the feeling I really started to like X1. Next stage was to import some (slightly less important) "8.5" projects I was working on, and see if- and if so - where it goes wrong. The only slight problem I had was the Dimension Pro change (from DX to VST). As I always make notes about soft-synth set-ups, it was easy to just add the "new" DimPro and re-direct the MIDI track to it.

I still have 8.5 installed on my "scratch" computer in case it is needed to sort out computability issues, but I must say after working some time with X1 for me the new workfow "fits" better than the "old" 8.5. I think it is an step in good direction.

Sure - there are some bugs at this moment, but a lot of them will be solved in the upcoming patch(es). The most of them are just a little bit annoying, and in most cases there is a easy work around. For the more serious bugs (audiosnap), I can always use  "8.5" for the time being - no problem...

The upgrade was the price of about two computer games. For that amount of money you get a system with -in my eyes- a lot of improvements.  Although it is a bit rough around the edges at this moment, that will be sorted out without any extra costs (just some more time and a little patience). I think I can say I am a happy consumer.

I know some people are less happy (hard to miss it because they are very active - and a bit harsh at some times), but I think in general most people will be pleased with X1, and when the bugs that are biting some of us are solved I think the amount of happy users will grow...

Sad to hear guitarmikeh.

I have tried X1 on several systems (AMD/Intel), and two OS-es (Windows Xp/Windows 7), and did not encounter a lot of problems (except for the well-known bugs that do not bite me very much).

The only slight problem I had was with Windows 7 and a "old" first version of Digidesign Mbox. As the drivers are not supported - or will be updated- for Windows 7 that was to be expected. The problem was a high latency (I had to set the buffers to 2048 to get a distortion free output). This had some weird side effects - like notes that where gone missing in a MIDI loop until at the end no notes where left - bizarre, but strange things can happen with unsupported (and heavily outdated) audio hardware drivers.

I did not tried 64 bit at this moment, because a lot of plug-ins I use in are still 32 bit and not supported in 64bit (some will never be updated I an afraid). I am planning to go for a Windows 7 64bit dual boot install for test purposes (you can use Windows 7 64bit legally without registration for a period of 30 days - or by re-activating even 90 days), but I have to reserve some time to do so...

One thing that did me wonder tough.. You say it broke your 8.5.3, but did you not tested X1 out on a separate system (or even the same system - dual booted) before installing this in your mission critical system? Even software from company's I fully trust (like company's that are writing software for the IT department I worked some time ago), get a test period (mostly a month or longer) on a system that is absolutely non-mission-critical.

You say it broke your 8.5.3, but did you not tested X1 out on a separate system

yes I did. it Its really a long a sorted story. before trying on my real daw...  all xp..
1.my laptop coreduo (minimum specs for x1) ran ok except for screen real estate. with mbox mini
2. p4 ran ok as well. but that system was buggy before x1 ha!
3.real daw is dual, dual core xeon's fsb 1334 4g's 4 drives. tascam fw1884 ( granted this interface is quirky )
 did a full image of my daw. installed x1. bugs galore. not even could I document the bugs they were so random. asio drivers gone missing, midi notes missing, soft synths playing then not at all and never to return. crashes. lock ups..broke 8.5 by messing up snap to grid feature.  my image did not take. uninstall reinstalled 8.5 and x1 a number of times. tried a registry hack..... a fiasco...wiped system clean, fresh install of xp all the way to sp3. installed PT  and thought I was done with x1. but being a glutton for punishment i could not resist. installed x1 and 8.5 again. my biggest worry was the sample libraries. which worked out ok.(didn't  have to spend hours reloading, just reauthorizing)
 I really blame myself for all this though. as I should have made sure the image of my system was correct, and the hacks I did were sound (they were not) although the hacks were done after all the madness. It worked well after the hacks for a short time. but alas no love from x1. I'm just tired of testing it out. my music is of no real consequence, its only for me. and now I have a clean system. I guess thats the bright side. (btw this DAW never went on the web)..
I know cake will sus it all out. I'm just cranky. I've only ranted twice, this being one.

guitarmikeh

You say it broke your 8.5.3, but did you not tested X1 out on a separate system

yes I did. it Its really a long a sorted story. before trying on my real daw...  all xp..
1.my laptop coreduo (minimum specs for x1) ran ok except for screen real estate. with mbox mini
2. p4 ran ok as well. but that system was buggy before x1 ha!
3.real daw is dual, dual core xeon's fsb 1334 4g's 4 drives. tascam fw1884 ( granted this interface is quirky )
did a full image of my daw. installed x1. bugs galore. not even could I document the bugs they were so random. asio drivers gone missing, midi notes missing, soft synths playing then not at all and never to return. crashes. lock ups..broke 8.5 by messing up snap to grid feature.  my image did not take. uninstall reinstalled 8.5 and x1 a number of times. tried a registry hack..... a fiasco...wiped system clean, fresh install of xp all the way to sp3. installed PT  and thought I was done with x1. but being a glutton for punishment i could not resist. installed x1 and 8.5 again. my biggest worry was the sample libraries. which worked out ok.(didn't  have to spend hours reloading, just reauthorizing)
I really blame myself for all this though. as I should have made sure the image of my system was correct, and the hacks I did were sound (they were not) although the hacks were done after all the madness. It worked well after the hacks for a short time. but alas no love from x1. I'm just tired of testing it out. my music is of no real consequence, its only for me. and now I have a clean system. I guess thats the bright side. (btw this DAW never went on the web)..
I know cake will sus it all out. I'm just cranky. I've only ranted twice, this being one.

Hey man!

Sorry to hear about your problems. Sounds pretty messy! What you explain here is so far from my reality that it's unreal! X1 has been great for me and on top of that, I also take great benefit in the new work flow enhancements. I really hope that you'll work this out and that you can install X1 and enjoy the great software it is. For now, I suppose the other two computers would have to be your X1 playground;)

Good luck!

Navigate to the SONAR program folder (you don’t have to store them there).

 
The kbn. you want is probably in 8.5.3's program folders.

10Ten

John

10Ten


How does one change the key bindings to legacy?

1. Go to Edit > Preferences > Customization - Key Bindings.
2. Click the Import button to open the Import Key Bindings dialog.
3. Navigate to the SONAR program folder (you don’t have to store them there).
4. Choose a key bindings file from the choices in the program folder. Key bindings files use the file
extension .kbn.
5. Click Open.
SONAR loads the key bindings you chose

Well, that didn't work. I'm still stuck with the same stupid key bindings that X1 came with.

Open preferences (p)

Make sure the advanced option is checked.

You can then edit key bindings in the "Customization" section

I need to look from where I loaded in the legacy key bindings... I know that I wasn't going to create them from scratch....

I simply did an import or something and the binding file I wanted was in the list....

Nice, that ALT-4 brings up edit list and ALT-5 brings up PRV.  But PRV now opens right in the multi-dock thing... 

I am really starting to like X1.

Jim

I liked it from the start.  Sure, I've been on a learning curve.  Those free Groove3 training videos sped up the learning by an order of magnitude.  I'm sticking with the stock keybindings.   Maybe I'll add a few later on.

Is anybody taking bets on how many pages of "last words" will there be?

Sorry, that was off topic and probably not as funny as I thought it would be.  I will self moderate and get my coat now!