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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/05/10 08:13:14
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My Waves plugs just simply work in SONAR, Reaper, Studio One 3 Pro and Mixbus.
Damn that's what I thought too, until this happened tonight in Mixbus with ALL of my VEQ's
Opening and closing the GUI didn't help. I would have to either delete the EQ and load it again, or restart the project. Didn't happen with any other of the non-Waves plugins in the project.
At first blush, that looks like the old context sharing bug in Waveshell. There is a fix posted somewhere on these forums that fixed it for me. In essence, create an empty text file named the following, in the following location: "c:\ProgramData\Waves Audio\no_context_sharing.txt" Regards, Dan
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/05/10 08:37:24
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dcumpian
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My Waves plugs just simply work in SONAR, Reaper, Studio One 3 Pro and Mixbus.
Damn that's what I thought too, until this happened tonight in Mixbus with ALL of my VEQ's
Opening and closing the GUI didn't help. I would have to either delete the EQ and load it again, or restart the project. Didn't happen with any other of the non-Waves plugins in the project.
At first blush, that looks like the old context sharing bug in Waveshell. There is a fix posted somewhere on these forums that fixed it for me.
In essence, create an empty text file named the following, in the following location:
"c:\ProgramData\Waves Audio\no_context_sharing.txt"
Regards,
Dan
Interesting thanks, will try.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 14:39:48
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Well, it's been a while and a few projects later and I've made my final decision about Waves plugins. I can't and won't use them.
Whaaa? You ask? Well, the plugins themselves are very good. I like them. What doesn't work for me is that in order for the plugins to work at all, they need to be connected to the Internet. Whaaa? You ask again. If you are not connected to the Internet for any reason, and have Waves plugins 9 or newer, and you have Waves plugins in your Sonar project, when you launch the project in Sonar the Waves plugins will not load and Sonar will tell you so.
I thought this was an error, so I reached out to Waves support and they verified what I am telling you.
Now, the point is not that it's easy to stay connected to the Internet. The problem is that regardless of why you are not connected, they will not load. I once heard the best practice for a dedicated DAW is to never connect to the Internet.
I just cannot accept a product that has to be constantly connected to the Internet to function --period. So I wasted a little money on some plugs. Hey, maybe I'll use them here and there and do a quick print with them in a track and then remove it, who knows. I just wanted to share the unfortunate results of my investigation.
Too many other great plugins to choose from!
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 19:13:05
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2016/08/22 14:02:50
razor
Whaaa? You ask? Well, the plugins themselves are very good. I like them. What doesn't work for me is that in order for the plugins to work at all, they need to be connected to the Internet. Whaaa? You ask again. If you are not connected to the Internet for any reason, and have Waves plugins 9 or newer, and you have Waves plugins in your Sonar project, when you launch the project in Sonar the Waves plugins will not load and Sonar will tell you so.
That is strange. Didn't sound right to me, so I just disabled my network connection, opened a project in X3, and the Waves plugins were there and working fine. Dunno why you're having a problem, but that's the first I've heard that Waves plugins have to be run on a machine connected to the Internet. There are many studios running Waves that definitely do not have their DAWs on the net. Something else must be going on here. Cheers, Eddie
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 19:19:29
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razor, did you auth to the computer or to USB stick? I auth to a USB stick and can disconnect from the internet and run Waves just fine.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 20:14:57
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razor, did you auth to the computer or to USB stick? I auth to a USB stick and can disconnect from the internet and run Waves just fine.
USB iLok. No longer supported.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 20:27:20
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Eddie TX
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Whaaa? You ask? Well, the plugins themselves are very good. I like them. What doesn't work for me is that in order for the plugins to work at all, they need to be connected to the Internet. Whaaa? You ask again. If you are not connected to the Internet for any reason, and have Waves plugins 9 or newer, and you have Waves plugins in your Sonar project, when you launch the project in Sonar the Waves plugins will not load and Sonar will tell you so.
That is strange. Didn't sound right to me, so I just disabled my network connection, opened a project in X3, and the Waves plugins were there and working fine. Dunno why you're having a problem, but that's the first I've heard that Waves plugins have to be run on a machine connected to the Internet. There are many studios running Waves that definitely do not have their DAWs on the net. Something else must be going on here.
Cheers,
Eddie
You know, I'm rereading the reply from Waves tech support and he's contradicting himself. Let me get a little more clarification from them and I'll post back. At this point this is what I know: * No more support for iLok as of ver 9 --per Waves support. * My Waves licenses are activated on my local DAW--verified by Waves support. * If my DAW is not connected to the Internet my Waves plugins that are being used in a CW project will not load when I load that project. This has happened multiple times in different projects. Now what I'm not clear on from rereading the support notes is if there is another way to activate my licenses besides the iLok or the web, and I'll post back after I find that out. Thanks!
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 20:33:18
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Mixbuss wants you to use its damn good eq !!! That the only explaination ...
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 20:37:15
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razor
Now what I'm not clear on from rereading the support notes is if there is another way to activate my licenses besides the iLok or the web, and I'll post back after I find that out.
Thanks!
Yes, I'm auth'd to a USB stick, not an iLok.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/18 22:44:19
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I love the Waves stuff. I have it auth'd to my DAW/PC
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/19 01:22:55
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Sounds like he has the licenses on Waves site or Cloud. If the licenses are local via a USB port or on the hard drive then an internet connection is not required. I would go through the license procedure again. Waves will surf your computer and see if the files are where they should be.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/19 06:28:19
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Also make sure you are running the latest version of Waves Central.
But if licenses is on the computer, it should work. Internet or no internet.
[edit] I love my waves plugins. All of them!!
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/19 17:00:40
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I was sure I had my licensing moved to my DAW and that's what Waves confirmed they show for the licensing--however, my guess is I had iLok in the mix somewhere (pardon the pun) in the process and that's what's messing me up.
Last time I lost Internet access due to some construction, I had the same issue. I (thought) I moved my licenses off the cloud and onto my local system to prevent that from happening again, but lo and behold, I lost Internet temporarily due to a bad AV program upgrade and boom, issue reared its ugly Waves again.
Waves support asked me to send them my system report that included event logs. I haven't heard back yet, but I did tell them I want to move the license where ever I need to so as not to lose access to the plugins in the event of no Internet.
I don't mind reporting back if it's user error--because I'll be happy to have the issue resolved, and I do like the plugins I have. My challenge is that the support dude said my license showed on my DAW (PC) and yet...so I'm waiting to hear why that is.
I'll report back...
Thanks all,
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/22 11:43:12
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Here's what Waves found out. Just an FYI, my issue from the antivirus upgrade did remove all of my network connections. I will be moving my Waves licenses to a USB thumb drive.
Here's Waves:
Waves licenses are recognized by your Computer's Ethernet Network Adapter MAC address. Due to this fact, you can disconnect from the internet, and as long as your Ethernet adapter is enabled there shouldn't be an issue. You can simply disconnect your Ethernet cable and everything will continue to work fine.
Fyi.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/22 13:07:26
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That's pretty common with license managers. FlexLM is big one we see in engineering software and licenses bind to a "Host ID" which is normally a MAC address of an Ethernet adapter (though it can be a special dongle).
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/22 13:39:49
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so, after all this palava,
it boils down to this?
" Just an FYI, my issue from the antivirus upgrade did remove all of my network connections."
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/22 16:38:47
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batsbrew
so, after all this palava,
it boils down to this?
" Just an FYI, my issue from the antivirus upgrade did remove all of my network connections."
Yes, that doesn't seem correct to me. I have Waves Central on my studio PC. I disable the ethernet adaptor through Windows Device Manager. So I have no internet. And I can still use my Waves plugins. Something ain't right.
Grem
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/22 18:57:40
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Yeah, I'm only going to be satisfied when I have my licenses on a USB drive, then remove my network adapters, and I can still load my plugins. If that works, then I'm not really going to care as much as to why it failed the last couple times.
BTW--the time before, there was nothing wrong with my network adapters--I just didn't have any Internet access and the same load issue was there...go figure.
FYI--The findings from Waves support was after they reviewed my system logs, etc.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/23 10:22:15
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/23 10:46:25
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Just so I am clear razor, I do have my Waves license on a USB stick that I can put into any computer loaded with Waves plugs and use my products with no Internet connection.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/23 11:43:33
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Grem
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so, after all this palava,
it boils down to this?
" Just an FYI, my issue from the antivirus upgrade did remove all of my network connections."
Yes, that doesn't seem correct to me.
I have Waves Central on my studio PC. I disable the ethernet adaptor through Windows Device Manager. So I have no internet. And I can still use my Waves plugins.
Something ain't right.
That's how I do it I have never had a problem.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/24 10:25:34
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"No internet connection" can mean several different things.
Pulling the network cable obviously prevents any outgoing or incoming packets, but doesn't stop Windows and other software from attempting to open a connection. It doesn't actually disable the network, only cripples it. It will not prevent all network overhead, as it doesn't stop an insistent program from repeatedly attempting to open a connection.
If, OTOH, you disable the network service or physically remove the NIC, then Windows will simply report to applications and services that there is no network. This assures zero network overhead, a good thing in the pursuit of maximum DAW efficiency.
Unfortunately, it also means software cannot query the NIC for its MAC address, and that software licenses tied to the MAC address will fail. Plugins that attempt to verify the identity of your computer will think it's a different computer. You'll run into the same issue if you replace your network card, or replace the motherboard that contains an integrated NIC.
This is a big part of what makes Waves' licenses so fragile. And why I will not knowingly purchase or use software that employs such schemes. Waves isn't the only one, btw. I no longer use Amplitube or Dimension Pro for the same reason.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/24 10:35:15
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Thanks BF. I don't like it either. Thanks for the tech reasons why it failed for me.
At this point since I already bought the software, I'm going to elect another license verification method.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/24 20:02:33
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talk to their tech support... I had an issue after upgrading to W10Anniv where it screwed up my waves installs and the links in SPLAT... I called them on SUNDAY and they answered quickly, took control of my computer and had me up and running in 15 mins, reinstalling my Waves stuff, resetting my SPLAT cache so everything was the way it was, and fixing some VST links for me to make things run quicker. Best TS experience I've had in a LONG time.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/24 20:37:07
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OK, so I know it's a popular game around here to bash Waves -- with our esteemed Forum Host leading the way at every opportunity -- but I would just point out that anyone selling "fragile" or otherwise issue-prone products won't be in business very long, much less be the biggest firm in its industry, with thousands of satisfied professional customers who have been using their stuff for decades.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/24 20:43:28
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BassDaddy
Grem
batsbrew
so, after all this palava,
it boils down to this?
" Just an FYI, my issue from the antivirus upgrade did remove all of my network connections."
Yes, that doesn't seem correct to me.
I have Waves Central on my studio PC. I disable the ethernet adaptor through Windows Device Manager. So I have no internet. And I can still use my Waves plugins.
Something ain't right.
That's how I do it I have never had a problem.
Same here.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/24 20:44:25
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You're right, Eddie. Got to say that they are good. And often can be had at bargain prices with a coupon to boot. Still hoping they'll drop WUP though.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/25 11:50:21
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Eddie, I take issue with the word "bashing". I have said many times that Waves makes good stuff, that I've never had an issue with their product quality. They've long been a leader in innovation, which is why I jumped on Waves products as soon as they abandoned iLock.
But their copy-protection scheme, from a software engineering standpoint, is indeed fragile. The default mode of operation is to fail, and depends on a specific set of prerequisites in order to not fail. That's a textbook example of poor software design. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the vast majority of Waves' support call volume is license-related.
Compare that to less-draconian protection methods employed by most other vendors. For most of them, all you have to do is avoid losing a file to assure continued operation of your purchased plugins.
And none of them require you to pay an annual fee for the privilege of getting support. When my Waves plugins (twice) informed me that I had no license, I expected to find an email support link on the website. There was none. Only after digging through FAQs did I discover that without a WUP contract, Waves did not want to talk to me. Maybe that's changed since then, I dunno. But it left a bitter taste.
So is that "bashing"? I don't think so. Just stating the facts.
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/25 12:16:12
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☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2016/08/25 15:09:25
Fleer
Still hoping they'll drop WUP though.
That is the purest form of profit they have going for them. It takes no data storage (save for date field in a database product record). WUP is unlikely to go away, IMO. Here's a little trick that usually gets me nearly two years of WUP for the price of one. It only happens because I own Mercury, SSL and Abbey Road. SSL is rarely updated but Abbey Road seems to get a new product every 18 months or so. Lets say I'm at the last 3 or four months of my WUP (remember I'm paying less $300/year when I buy WUP from AudioDeluxe). Abbey Road releases a new plug. WUP does not get me that for free (unlike a new Mercury plug), but I do get a discount as I own the rest of the Abbey Road Bundle. So, I pay ~$75 for the new Abbey Road plug. That now extends my Abbey Road Bundle WUP for 12 more months (15 in total, 12 plus the remaining 3). So three months goes by (or maybe even six while waiting for a new Mercury plug to appear) and I purchase a WUP plan from Audio Deluxe. And since I own all three "bundles", all of them get extended by the 12 month beyond the last day of any active WUP. WaLa. I now have many more months than 12 for all bundles anywhere from 18 to 21 months. I usually get 1 to 2 new plugs in Mercury per year. For me I see WUP as a huge advantage because I typically see 18-20 months of coverage for the (discounted) max price of $215. Before Lifetime updates I paid anywhere from $99 to $149 for SONAR annually. I see WUP (in the way I do it) as almost the same thing .
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The Grim 
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Re: My Impression of Waves Plug-Ins
2016/08/25 14:55:50
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i prefer waves over all else 99% of the time, i have had fab filter total and melda total but when waves ditched the ilok it was pretty much all waves for me, gave away ff and melda bundles, could never stand the gui's, hideously repulsive to me, i found i could get the desired outcome much faster and easier with waves. never had an issue with them nor the installation and authorization process, to me it is straight forward and in no brain required territory, never understood why/how people had issues with it. wup, again it is what it is, it is not required, and if it there is an update to one of your bundles and you get a new plug, you can update your wup, or if there is updates to plugs that you find you require you update your wup, but you don't have to and i have no issues requiring fixes for my usage anyway. capped at $300 a year, so it's not that bad, i spend $250 a week on cigarettes so i am certainly not going to complain about paying $300 a year, or just paying wup when i feel it is benificial
plus in my experience the fastest and best support bar none in the business
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