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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:09:50
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ba_midi
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Oh crap - Now my project is having a problem playing - it's stuck. I think I just corrupted it. Could be Trilian, could be Sonar. Crap.
I don't know if you've seen what I've said elsewhere about a similar thing, but ...
I started a TOTALLY new/fresh project. I was in the creative mood. Long story short... I had to stop working in X1 and bring the project back to 8.5.3 (which took some adjustments as well -- quite a mood killer actually).
I just kept hitting bugs. And then at one point no matter what I tried, X1 would crash every time I 'saved' the project (which I do often).
NONE of those issues happened with the same project in 8.5.3. So I just kept going with it.
Strange, but true. And what should I have done? There was NO choice really. So I just think there are some non-visible bugs (memory leaks perhaps, or other similar issues) that MAY creep up when least expected.
This is why we need a serious major bug fix patch asap, in my humble opinion. X1A was not that.
That's interesting. I'm in too deep now. My project is working ok for now, but this is pretty scary. I'll see how the rest of today goes. This weird thing seems to be related to having the PRV open in the multidock when saving a project. The next time I open the project, the PRV shows, but the notes are invisible - but the velocity stems are there. When I touch the horizontal scroll bar the notes majically appear. This is when it started flaking out, not at first but after a couple closing and opening of the project. I finally was able to save after I quickly closed the PRV in the multidock and the project opens fine and is playing.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:11:13
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Billy, if you are not willing to use the customary bug reporting pathway, that's fine; it is your choice.
You are not helping as much as you could be. And there is a point at which complaining without follow-through becomes "piling on".
I'm not judging. I'm just asking you to reconsider.
I use it. I also will say I don't feel I'm complaining. I'm discussing / expressing issues I confront using the software I purchased. Do you feel I'm being unfair or imbalanced in some way? I'd like to know actually if you do. It never hurts to review ones own approach to things.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:12:49
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For what it's worth, my tests in my clean 32-bit install back up ba_midi's findings. Q only brings up the Quantize dialog in the Track View. No response in the PRV, whether docked in the multidock or not. The keybinding for Q is not set by default, but the Process menu says that Q is the hotkey for Process > Quantize, so it should just work. Let's post a bug report on this one. Aside: ... am I the only person who has a visceral dislike to the multidock? I want to turn it off completely. I actually like a well-behaved MDI application, which SONAR 8.5 was and X1 is most certainly not. Caveat: MDI apps don't play well with multi-monitor setups, so perhaps this is inevitable.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:13:45
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ba_midi
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Oh crap - Now my project is having a problem playing - it's stuck. I think I just corrupted it. Could be Trilian, could be Sonar. Crap.
I don't know if you've seen what I've said elsewhere about a similar thing, but ...
I started a TOTALLY new/fresh project. I was in the creative mood. Long story short... I had to stop working in X1 and bring the project back to 8.5.3 (which took some adjustments as well -- quite a mood killer actually).
I just kept hitting bugs. And then at one point no matter what I tried, X1 would crash every time I 'saved' the project (which I do often).
NONE of those issues happened with the same project in 8.5.3. So I just kept going with it.
Strange, but true. And what should I have done? There was NO choice really. So I just think there are some non-visible bugs (memory leaks perhaps, or other similar issues) that MAY creep up when least expected.
This is why we need a serious major bug fix patch asap, in my humble opinion. X1A was not that.
That's interesting. I'm in too deep now. My project is working ok for now, but this is pretty scary. I'll see how the rest of today goes.
This weird thing seems to be related to having the PRV open in the multidock when saving a project. The next time I open the project, the PRV shows, but the notes are invisible - but the velocity stems are there. When I touch the horizontal scroll bar the notes majically appear. This is when it started flaking out, not at first but after a couple closing and opening of the project. I finally was able to save after I quickly closed the PRV in the multidock and the project opens fine and is playing.
I think there's what I'd call a minor bug in the PRV as well. When I dbl click a clip to work on in it, it shows me the velocity "controller pane" (which I like to use) about 80% of the screen height in the m-dock and the notes are about 20% above it. In previous versions one could set it as they like (ie, where the divider bar is) and it would stick. And, better, it would also attempt to center the notes in the notes pane. That's not happening for me. I suspect many others. You've kind of bumped into it as well I see.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:14:15
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I will file a report on this Quantize bug too. I have filed a handful already, but there have been a lot of little weird things I didn't file. I need to save the bug report web page as a favorite so I can get to it easily.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:18:04
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Having done some coding of this type of software (not music), I know how easy it is to make simple coding mistakes, and for none of the users to pick it up for ages. It's as simple as spelling "brakes" "breaks" :) And sometimes the beta team don't find the simple bugs. One of the greatest resources Cake have is this incredibly knowledgeable and passionate user group. If all the bugs discussed here were fixed, imagine how good X1 would be? But we have to let them know first.
I also sympathize with your view that we should be able to make music, not be public beta testers. I'm afraid the reality of substantially re-written software is that this will happen. There is always 8.5.3 to fall back on if the goal is just to write music. However, I find once you've used X1, it's hard to go back.
Cheers, Peter.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:18:32
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For what it's worth, my tests in my clean 32-bit install back up ba_midi's findings. Q only brings up the Quantize dialog in the Track View. No response in the PRV, whether docked in the multidock or not.
The keybinding for Q is not set by default, but the Process menu says that Q is the hotkey for Process > Quantize, so it should just work. Let's post a bug report on this one.
Aside:
... am I the only person who has a visceral dislike to the multidock? I want to turn it off completely. I actually like a well-behaved MDI application, which SONAR 8.5 was and X1 is most certainly not. Caveat: MDI apps don't play well with multi-monitor setups, so perhaps this is inevitable.
I like the Multi-Dock actually. It's not at all unlike what we had before (ie, "Tabbed View"). It's an extension thereof from my perspective. But you don't have to dock everything, so that's another approach. I like it mostly for getting the PRV up (though I also liked the previous availability of a floating PRV). And, perhaps most importantly (for me) is that it's a toggle away. "D" does the trick. I like that. That was not available in the "Tabbed View" approach of previous versions. It also strikes me a bit funny how some newer (and older) users have fallen in love with the "Inspector" and how easy it is to "I" toggle it. It's been there for a LONG time. Many seemed not to know about it at all! Yes this inspector is a bit different and offers more functionality in most ways, but it's not like it's an entirely new thing. Which only proves to me how some user literally never used MANY of the features previously available and are now going googoo over them (thanks to the promo videos and other marketing tools that made them aware to everyone).
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:20:38
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guitartrek
I will file a report on this Quantize bug too. I have filed a handful already, but there have been a lot of little weird things I didn't file. I need to save the bug report web page as a favorite so I can get to it easily.
For me, it's about time (though I'm spending WAY too much on this forum!).... if I had to file a report for _every_ little thing I'm finding, I'd never make any music lol
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:21:42
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Having done some coding of this type of software (not music), I know how easy it is to make simple coding mistakes, and for none of the users to pick it up for ages. It's as simple as spelling "brakes" "breaks" :) HAHA got me :) Now i need some "breaks" ;)
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:25:47
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ba_midi
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Billy, if you are not willing to use the customary bug reporting pathway, that's fine; it is your choice.
You are not helping as much as you could be. And there is a point at which complaining without follow-through becomes "piling on".
I'm not judging. I'm just asking you to reconsider.
I use it.
Okay, then I guess I misread your prior post. When I suggested a bug report, your first words were "I don't like them" or something like that. Taken along with other comments you've made in other threads, such as saying that X1 is a public beta and that you've gone back to 8.5, well....I was left to wonder about your motive. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:29:52
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OK- I got Q to work in PRV. Here's how I did it (this was mentioned earlier and it works) I went to Key Bindings, Selected Q and then on the right hand window Selected Process-Quantize and hit the Bind button. It is supposed to already be bound globally, but apparently it isn't.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:36:10
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Billy, if you are not willing to use the customary bug reporting pathway, that's fine; it is your choice.
You are not helping as much as you could be. And there is a point at which complaining without follow-through becomes "piling on".
I'm not judging. I'm just asking you to reconsider.
I use it.
Okay, then I guess I misread your prior post. When I suggested a bug report, your first words were "I don't like them" or something like that. Taken along with other comments you've made in other threads, such as saying that X1 is a public beta and that you've gone back to 8.5, well....I was left to wonder about your motive.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I do feel it's a public beta, frankly. But that's just an opinion. I never speak for others, you should know that by how I've worded my posts. If you question my motives, that makes me curious. For all the problems I'm experiencing and discussing in this public forum, are you also not noticing all the helpful things I post as well, ie, with those who may not know a keybinding or some other function? I'm trying to be honest and balanced, but I'm not going to deny my frustrations and voice them in a hopefully balanced way. I admit my frustrations MAY get the best of me at times, and for that I can only say I'm human. I certainly am a supporter as I have been for many years of the Cakewalk products and people. I think that much should be clear. But there are times when a musician is making music and hits stumbling blocks that are difficult and cause a real creative flow inhibitor. These need to be addressed. I don't know what else to say. I'll certainly give thought to the fact you feel as you do about my postings.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:40:10
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Q was mute before X1. It is now quantize in X1. It even says that in the key bindings sheet in the help options.
i have been messing with my binds a lot, so I don't know if Q was already bound to Process|Quantize in Global Bindings or not.
i do know that after binding Q to Process|Quantize the PRV quantize key binding works.
My TV Q shortcut already worked.
I definitely find it odd that others cant achieve the success I did. Something tells me I need to lay my magical hands on your DAW (j/k lol)
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:43:55
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Q was mute before X1. It is now quantize in X1. It even says that in the key bindings sheet in the help options.
i have been messing with my binds a lot, so I don't know if Q was already bound to Process|Quantize in Global Bindings or not.
i do know that after binding Q to Process|Quantize the PRV quantize key binding works.
My TV Q shortcut already worked.
I definitely find it odd that others cant achieve the success I did. Something tells me I need to lay my magical hands on your DAW (j/k lol)
I think there may be some confusion here ... "Q" now, by X1 default, does bring up the usual "Quantize" dialogue. The "Process->Quantize" dialogue is simply a different way to get there. But it's NOT the X1 default. So re-binding Q to Process Quantize is certainly an acceptable and workable workaround indeed. BUT, at the same time, "Q" should work as expected in the PRV just as it does in the TV without the necessity of rebinding it.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:55:24
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Good, can we put this one to bed now?
Bug or no bug, we have a solution, yes?
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:56:11
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Billy is right. Q should always bring up quantize - you should have to bind it. I'll report it.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 17:56:57
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Positively Charged
Good, can we put this one to bed now?
Bug or no bug, we have a solution, yes?
Yes - there is a solution. Thanks for your help on this!
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ba_midi
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 18:26:12
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Good, can we put this one to bed now?
Bug or no bug, we have a solution, yes?
Um, a workaround yes :) But sure, I'm fine with putting it to bed.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 18:35:08
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guitartrek
OK- I got Q to work in PRV. Here's how I did it (this was mentioned earlier and it works) I went to Key Bindings, Selected Q and then on the right hand window Selected Process-Quantize and hit the Bind button. It is supposed to already be bound globally, but apparently it isn't.
Thanks for posting this and this thread, I'll check that out later as I was having this issue (and simply thought it was a bug) Looks like at least this is a viable workaround/solution.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 18:50:18
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I filled out a problem report.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 18:56:53
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Thanks, and ditto - hopefully weight of numbers will bump this up the FixIt queue.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2010/12/31 19:58:28
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guitartrek
OK- I got Q to work in PRV. Here's how I did it (this was mentioned earlier and it works) I went to Key Bindings, Selected Q and then on the right hand window Selected Process-Quantize and hit the Bind button. It is supposed to already be bound globally, but apparently it isn't.
Nice find... good workaround. It now appears to be working in both windows... thanks for sharing it... Keni BTW... I filed a report for this among other things as well... ;-)
post edited by Keni - 2010/12/31 20:02:24
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/01 19:23:22
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But mine does work, Billy. Surely there is some explanation?
Interesting. But previously "Q" was a default for "Mute clip". I never changed that. It worked.
Now "Q" is changed to Quantize.
No matter what I've tried - when I select a clip in the clips pane, double click it to bring it into the PRV, select some notes and hit "Q -- NOTHING happens.
I've checked the keybindings. Even re-entered it as it wants to be. Nada.
So I find it interesting you can actually hit Q with notes selected in the PRV and it works?
Are you really sure of this?
BTW, it definitely DOES work in the track/clip pane. That is, if I select a clip there and hit Q, it works. Just NOT in the PRV at all (for me and others).
Absolutely... since I manually bound the Q to Process|Quantize it works as expected in both the TV and PRV... I haven't tested Staff or such... Something else must be different if that's not working for you... Keni
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/01 19:42:09
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Yay for finding this, now works as expected 
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work (in PRV)....work-around -> bind it manually
2011/01/01 22:48:30
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My SonarX1 installation is a fresh installation on a brand new machine with all the default SonarX1 settings. When I go to Preferences-Customization-KeyBindings it says "Q" should be Quantize. But when I press "Q", nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong? "P" works fine and brings up the Preferences, but "Q" doesn't. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/02 07:14:42
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chrisharbin
Yay for finding this, now works as expected
I would say that it doesn't work as expected. It works because we've found a workaround. Q in X1 IS quantize. Q in the PRV is broke. This is a workaround -- which is good. But not correct.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/02 07:16:18
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guitartrek
Billy is right. Q should always bring up quantize - you should have to bind it. I'll report it.
Geno, I think you mean "we shouldn't have to rebind it" ;)
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/02 10:02:17
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Billy - yes - grammatically speaking, "we shouldn't have to rebind it", or "one should not have to re-bind it".
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/02 10:57:56
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guitartrek
Billy - yes - grammatically speaking, "we shouldn't have to rebind it", or "one should not have to re-bind it".
Geno, The only reason I pointed that out is because lately it seems we have to walk on eggs about how we state things. I wasn't trying to be smarter, I hope ya know that.
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Re:My Quantize shortcut key "Q" doesn't work. Not sure why?
2011/01/02 11:46:40
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Billy - no worries- I didn't take it in any negative way. Growing up I was constantly reminded of not using "you" in that context. I know it is wrong and I will watch it. (I don't take offense to anything on the forum - feel free to set me straight anytime)
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