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2014/08/29 23:13:20 (permalink)

Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording

I guess I've never really been conscious of them before, but just recently my ears have caught onto some nasty ringing tones when I record my Telecaster (straight into the Babyface). They're in the region of 2 - 4kHz  and now that I've noticed them I cannot unhear them! Of course the effect is amplified when it goes through the amp sim. I can sweep with a surgical EQ like Waves Q10 and can isolate them all and notch them out, but it's like I can still hear them...but when I do an A/B with the EQ in and out, notching them out seems to result in a smoother sound but I worry about making so many harsh cuts. Also, there is some of the ringing I just can't seem to get rid of. 
 
So...is this just my ears experiencing some kind of epiphany and everyone gets the same ringing (i.e. it's just a natural property of the guitar) or is there something going wrong in my signal chain? Is it commonplace to have to make a lot of surgical cuts to make an instrument sound smooth? 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/08/30 07:28:29 (permalink)
I have a guitar that gives me some nasty overtones. It was coming from the area between the nut and the tuning machines. I shoved a small piece of foam between the strings and the headstock, and that eliminated it.
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/08/30 09:49:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2018/01/19 22:59:05
Sounds like a sympathetic "drone"?
I use a business card and "weave" it between the strings above the nut.
 
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/08/30 11:26:29 (permalink)
Hmm that's something to try - I guess I never really listened closely to the guitar unamplified to figure out where it was coming from. 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/08/30 11:46:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2018/01/19 22:59:19
Have someone lay a finger on the strings while you play.
Engineered a session a couple years back, tried in vain to convince the guitar players this was the problem.
Some guys "know it all"; whatever!
My Paul and PRS Santana are both noticeable, my Grosh's not so much.
Go figure?
 
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/01 12:34:34 (permalink)
Sharke, any way you can let me hear a sample of this noise if/when you get a chance?

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/01 18:42:26 (permalink)
Some people pay good money to get those whistling ringing tones in their guitar performance? Now put the ebow DOWN
 
You think that Fender has issues? Try this on for size... my guitarviol, Togaman baby!
 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/01 19:22:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2018/01/19 22:59:41
This probably isnt your problem but I encountered a noise with my guit which id describe as ringing wailing whistling and eventually discovered I had the +48 turned on on my input as well as the Hi-Z in the octa capture software control panel. Silly me.

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 01:39:31 (permalink)
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Sharke, any way you can let me hear a sample of this noise if/when you get a chance?




I will indeed try to get that to you over the next few days, thanks Danny!

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 01:40:27 (permalink)
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Some people pay good money to get those whistling ringing tones in their guitar performance? Now put the ebow DOWN
 
You think that Fender has issues? Try this on for size... my guitarviol, Togaman baby!
 





Now that just doesn't look practical, lol!

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 01:41:53 (permalink)
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This probably isnt your problem but I encountered a noise with my guit which id describe as ringing wailing whistling and eventually discovered I had the +48 turned on on my input as well as the Hi-Z in the octa capture software control panel. Silly me.




I've done that before as well. Luckily my interface has an orange indicator which lights up when it's on, otherwise I'd probably forget to switch it off all the time. 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 21:39:46 (permalink)
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Sharke, any way you can let me hear a sample of this noise if/when you get a chance?



I sent you a PM with a link last night but it didn't show in my "sent" folder, so I sent it again and it still didn't show...let me know if you got it. 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 22:58:42 (permalink)
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Some people pay good money to get those whistling ringing tones in their guitar performance? Now put the ebow DOWN
 
You think that Fender has issues? Try this on for size... my guitarviol, Togaman baby!
 





Now that just doesn't look practical, lol!


Well, it's not actually a guitar in the true sense of the word? It's tuned like one? But it has a curved neck, and it's designed to sit up on your lap and be played essentially like a cello? (that's why there's a bow hanging there with it)
 
They're pretty cool instruments, you can learn about them at http://www.togamanguitars.com/ They can sound like a guitar, they can sound like a cello, they can sound like a violin. But it's tuned like a guitar? Good times... The "stuff" on mine is the head of Leonitus and his shield (from the movie The 300.) And the model (at the time) was called "The Spartan." So I thought it would be cool to customize it with a 300 theme. He made a few more customized instruments after that? But my idea started the trend :-)
 
The sound track from the movie "The 300" actually has this instrument (not this one, but an electric guitarviol) on it. They are actually used in many sound tracks, guitarviols made by Jonathan. 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 23:11:34 (permalink)
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Some people pay good money to get those whistling ringing tones in their guitar performance? Now put the ebow DOWN
 
You think that Fender has issues? Try this on for size... my guitarviol, Togaman baby!
 





Now that just doesn't look practical, lol!


Well, it's not actually a guitar in the true sense of the word? It's tuned like one? But it has a curved neck, and it's designed to sit up on your lap and be played essentially like a cello? (that's why there's a bow hanging there with it)
 
They're pretty cool instruments, you can learn about them at http://www.togamanguitars.com/ They can sound like a guitar, they can sound like a cello, they can sound like a violin. But it's tuned like a guitar? Good times... The "stuff" on mine is the head of Leonitus and his shield (from the movie The 300.) And the model (at the time) was called "The Spartan." So I thought it would be cool to customize it with a 300 theme. He made a few more customized instruments after that? But my idea started the trend :-)
 
The sound track from the movie "The 300" actually has this instrument (not this one, but an electric guitarviol) on it. They are actually used in many sound tracks, guitarviols made by Jonathan. 




I'd love to mess with one. They seem pretty pricey but then again not so much for a good quality hand built instrument. Do you get get enough use out of it to justify the price? 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/02 23:21:45 (permalink)
"Do you get get enough use out of it to justify the price?"
 
No, no I do not... But do I have buyers remorse? Also no? No I do not :-) It's just a cool thing to own man? And when you play one? (which I do) It's difficult to verbalize. I need to play it more. In fact? I'm going to play on one I'm working on that I started tonight :-) A grass tune I had to yank down due to the tools that put up the tune on their Karaoke site from which I joined and downloaded it , and then they said "Soundcloud?" Oh no, you can't post our backing track there... It was like the human centipad episode from Southpark? Why can't we get it to read!!?? Ok Kyle, we can have you surgically removed, just sign here.
 
I think everyone should take up an unusual instrument :-)
 
I also have one of these? :-)
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It's a tapping instrument? Many people aren't familiar with them. I would love a hammer dulcimer, and a glass harmonica. Maybe a set of hand bells...
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/03 00:23:29 (permalink)
Ah yes the Chapman Stick...always fancied one of those. I dabbled with the Stanley Jordan style many years ago but in the end gave it up because it meant keeping my right hand nails short as well and I need those to fingerpick...
 
I have Trilian which has a Chapman Stick in there. I've used it as a synth a couple of times, great sound. 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/03 00:44:07 (permalink)
We should all take up an unusual instrument IMO. I think bag pipes are cool! :-) I once met a girl named Grace? She was amazing...

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/03 01:01:50 (permalink)
Yeah I'd love to build a collection of weird and wonderful instruments but unfortunately I live in a typical Manhattan cubicle and just don't have the space...my 3 guitars are just about pushing it 
 
I guess the most unusual instrument I ever took up was the banjo, not that unusual I know. I borrowed one off a friend years ago and took to that fast 3-finger picking thing like a duck to water. And when I eventually had to give it back after a couple of months and picked up my guitar again, I found that I was playing that like a banjo too. It's influenced my playing style ever since. Taking up a new instrument fires up a whole new set of neurons and makes you see your regular instruments in a new light. 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2014/09/03 04:00:09 (permalink)
The banjo is "awesome!" That's what I'm trying to do on a keyboard right now? Using these guys;
 
http://www.boldersounds.net/
 
Their bluegrass banjo? It's a pretty cool tool...
 
I would like to take the time to learn to play the banjo? Because I play stringed instruments. But to be proficient? It would just take me too long. But I can fool you with a good tool like boldersounds... It just takes time. (a week or so :-) And you'll swear it's a banjo player!

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/14 19:04:28 (permalink)
I'm having the exact same nasty/ringing problem.  At first I didn't notice, but I too can't get past it, and have to do some heavy notching.  Reverb seems to accentuate the problem.  Were you able to come up with a solution, Sharke?
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/14 23:41:53 (permalink)
I can't recall what the outcome was with sharke or why I.never replied back to this thread....but dkap, can you supply a sample of the noise? I don't even remember this old thread.

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/16 10:31:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2018/01/19 23:03:45
Funnily enough I just had this advice from someone on another forum;
 
''I also followed their setup guide for my Tele. One trick I learned on it was, if you are getting micro-phonic ringing from the silver pickup, stuff some soft spongy foam packing material in the cavity under the pick plate tightly around the silver pickup. Doing so completely eliminated the ringing on my Tele.''

 
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/16 22:43:02 (permalink)
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I can't recall what the outcome was with sharke or why I.never replied back to this thread....but dkap, can you supply a sample of the noise? I don't even remember this old thread.

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I went back and looked through my PM folder to see what you said:
 
What I believe may be happening is...there is an artifact either on the guitar or something strange with how you are executing the stuff you are playing. My hunch is, whatever that something may be....the Babyface is accentuating it. Sometimes, amps just bring out tones that we aren't down with due to how they react to our execution.

 
You then went on to relate how you have a Carvin guitar which sounds good through other amps but when played through your Orange amp, seems to produce this sort of whistling feedback, and you chalked it up to that particular guitar and amp not playing nice together. So perhaps that was the kind of thing I was hearing. For the life of my I cannot remember what my issue sounded like at the time. I must have sent you a .wav of the guitar for you to have commented on it, but for some reason the stupid forum software doesn't seem to have saved the original PM I sent you - I can just see the replies. I'd like to listen to that .wav again!

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/16 22:52:36 (permalink)
Thinking about it more carefully, I think I can remember the guitar part in question. It was a fast fingerpicked lead in which I'd held down consecutive scale tones on 3 adjacent strings so that the notes ran into each other. I'm thinking that perhaps the dissonance of those close intervals washing over each other may have been the cause of the overtones or whistling or whatever it was? 

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/17 19:03:51 (permalink)
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I can't recall what the outcome was with sharke or why I.never replied back to this thread....but dkap, can you supply a sample of the noise? I don't even remember this old thread.

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I went back and looked through my PM folder to see what you said:
 
What I believe may be happening is...there is an artifact either on the guitar or something strange with how you are executing the stuff you are playing. My hunch is, whatever that something may be....the Babyface is accentuating it. Sometimes, amps just bring out tones that we aren't down with due to how they react to our execution.

 
You then went on to relate how you have a Carvin guitar which sounds good through other amps but when played through your Orange amp, seems to produce this sort of whistling feedback, and you chalked it up to that particular guitar and amp not playing nice together. So perhaps that was the kind of thing I was hearing. For the life of my I cannot remember what my issue sounded like at the time. I must have sent you a .wav of the guitar for you to have commented on it, but for some reason the stupid forum software doesn't seem to have saved the original PM I sent you - I can just see the replies. I'd like to listen to that .wav again!




Hahaha thanks! I didn't think I'd leave you without a reply...but for the life of me, I just couldn't recall what we were dealing with. :)

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/18 23:24:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2018/01/19 23:04:53
Not saying this was your problem, but as I mentioned above, I dampen the stings on the headstock.
Here's a video where Dan Erlewine and Dakota Dave Hull discuss it.
FF to 2:50 for Dave's explanation.
 
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/19 18:55:10 (permalink)
Here is an isolated snippet of a guitar track. It's a tele with a bigsby at the middle pickup pos.  At measures 5 and 6 the ringing is the worst.  In headphones, it is even more obvious.  I'm presume the massive amount of reverb exacerbates the problem. 

 
Is this reminiscent of your problem, Sharke?
 
I had to do some extreme eq notching to smooth it out.  I tried muting the strings above the nut and below the bridge, but it didn't make much difference.  Upon further experiments, I think perhaps part of the problem is the low E and A strings weren't damped, and they are probably adding to the sea of harmonic overtones.  Maybe this is normal?
 
Here is the finished track.

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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/19 18:56:55 (permalink)
It looks like my soundcloud links are not in my previous message. How can I link to sound files on this forum?  
 
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Re: Nasty ringing/whistling tones in electric guitar recording 2018/01/19 19:15:43 (permalink)
Here are some dropbox links to the files. Maybe this will work.
 
solo guitar w/ ringing problem

 
finished track w notched eq on guitar

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